Coming Out to Friends as a Transphobe

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Idk if OP needs this anymore, but to those who wonder this, my suggestion is testing the waters before going full hog. Plant the seeds of doubt, and if they can't see your point, don't bother saying it to them.

For example, if you end up on a discussion of medically transitioning children, bring up how you hate that the side effect is early osteoporosis. Someone talks about SRS? Recount the story of a friend of a friend (or a reddit post) and how they felt regret after surgery. Tell people facts if they say something: having people think about negative or contradicting facts helps a lot. Reasonable friends follow along or don't care and move on, those who aren't worth it would argue with you more.

It's easier to peak people than you think. Hardcore sjws will just be like that, but most reasonable leftist support trans people because they care about them. They see trans people as the gay movement of a decade ago: people just trying to get on with their lives. This is compounded by a common belief that surgery and hormones are the only options for treatment (always good to mention how many people DON'T get bottom surgery, especially in girl's locker room discussions), so it's like they're disabled and gay. Challenge the notion they ride with piece by piece in a calm manner and you can have people rethink their side. Change is slow, but worth it.
 
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Android raptor said:
Non-binary children are typically the Current Year equivalent of girls in the NLOG phase. At this point I think the only way to really deter girls from declaring themselves he/theys and wanting to chop their tits off is to try and combat the shit that causes NLOGery in the first place, which is much easier said than done.
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What fucks me up is that now with testosterone and Lupron, is that there are physical consequences to going through a NLOG phase. I went through one, then grew up, thought "well that was stupid" and went on with my life with no consequences. But if I went trough that phase in current year, my voice could have been fucked up forever by testosterone, my bones turned to glass, bottom growth, acne scars, sterilization, tits chopped off forever, etc. I feel bad for these kids, why can't we go back to where being edgy meant not wearing makeup, hoodies, hating twilight and listening to Avril Lavigne instead of Justin Bieber. This new form of sexism is actually worse than the last (:_(
 
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Stephanie Brown said:
What fucks me up is that now with testosterone and Lupron, is that there are physical consequences to going through a NLOG phase. I went through one, then grew up, thought "well that was stupid" and went on with my life with no consequences. But if I went trough that phase in current year, my voice could have been fucked up forever by testosterone, my bones turned to glass, bottom growth, acne scars, sterilization, tits chopped off forever, etc. I feel bad for these kids, why can't we go back to where being edgy meant not wearing makeup, hoodies, hating twilight and listening to Avril Lavigne instead of Justin Bieber. This new form of sexism is actually worse than the last (:_(
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Unfortunately until existing as a girl, especially one that's nerdier or nonconforming to gender stereotypes, stops being such a pain in ass some girls will inevitably seek for an out or way to rebel against the horseshit.

I can't imagine the current state of the redder parts of the US is going to deter this shit in the slightest (even if they want to make it harder for kids to physically troon out).
 
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I'm honestly shocked at how many people in this thread have been able to keep their relationship with wokes while being open about their views. I have been so quiet about my views in order to salvage relationships but it does not work. apparently others here know a different breed of woke or perhaps those who aren't fully indoctrinated or don't feel they have a stake in the ideology.

in my experience ultimately if anyone would no longer be your friend over this, they are already not your friends. they don't respect you enough to value your opinion or think you could arrive to the conclusion you have without being a terrible person. it's not worth pretending or hiding it.

this is only going to become more of an issue and you don't want to make the same mistake I have by being friends with woke, trying to be quiet about my views, playing their pronoun games to appease them. this will just be time and energy put into people who are at the end of the day, usually NPCs who are programmed to reject you over this in order to protect their own social position and protect them from questioning their beliefs.
 
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The best way to defend my viewpoint that this is all bullshit is to hide behind the FDA. Here's what I mean.

"puberty blockers are safe!"

Oh yeah? Interesting. Where did you get that from, because I don't recall the FDA approving these drugs for this usage. Or any foreign equivalent of the FDA, for that matter. (All this shit is an off-label use, everywhere. The companies have never submitted their drugs for regulatory approval. Why should they, when they can still get the $$$ without taking on that headache?)

Hey, did you know the FDA says you can only use those drugs for 12 months in a lifetime? How long were these kids on this stuff, again? (It's usually 2 years or more, btw.)

But mainly I just use the link below. Harmless and no side effects, my royal, giant-size Burgerland azz.

NPR link, because libs lurve NPR
 
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Helena Handbasket said:
The best way to defend my viewpoint that this is all bullshit is to hide behind the FDA. Here's what I mean.

"puberty blockers are safe!"

Oh yeah? Interesting. Where did you get that from, because I don't recall the FDA approving these drugs for this usage. Or any foreign equivalent of the FDA, for that matter. (All this shit is an off-label use, everywhere. The companies have never submitted their drugs for regulatory approval. Why should they, when they can still get the $$$ without taking on that headache?)

Hey, did you know the FDA says you can only use those drugs for 12 months in a lifetime? How long were these kids on this stuff, again? (It's usually 2 years or more, btw.)

But mainly I just use the link below. Harmless and no side effects, my royal, giant-size Burgerland azz.

NPR link, because libs lurve NPR
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I'd recommend an archive link in case NPR DFEs because they went against the shitlib hivemind:

 
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A group chat I'm in makes jokes about Ezra Miller, and they're all playing this outrageously bizarre game of referring to him as "he" for a few texts before going "shit, *they sorry."

I feel like there's an opportunity here to at least come out as an enbyphobe (transphobe would be a bridge too far with this group I think) but I'm having a hard time finding where to thread that needle. I want to say "he's not here, it's okay" or mention that we don't need to respect the fact that this complete psychopath latched on to the progressive cause du jour so he could get away with being a violent whacko but I feel like if I don't phrase it reeeeally carefully I'll be pointed and screamed at, Invasion of the Body Snatchers-style.

It's incredible the way self-policing, weiße Band shit has burrowed its way into so many even vaguely left-leaning peoples' psyches.
 
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LoudmouthLisa said:
I don't like the idea of dropping friends I've had for years because there's a topic we disagree on.
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The problem here is, there is NO disagreement here. You either fully support every single troon wish, and go out of your way to fulfil their mental illness/fetish, or you are the enemy. There is no compromise, there is no middle ground.
 
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LunasForever said:
The problem here is, there is NO disagreement here. You either fully support every single troon wish, and go out of your way to fulfil their mental illness/fetish, or you are the enemy. There is no compromise, there is no middle ground.
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This right here is the exact problem. The utterly polarizing, unforgiving "support trans people or die" mentality that somehow got implemented into just normal day-to-day discussion about this stuff. It's a tired talking point at this rate, but nuance really has completely left the building. I couldn't question my former friends' attitude towards our mutual TiM friend even when he was being obnoxious, inappropriate, and just overall horrible when it came to women's issues, because we all believed he was just a suffering trans woman. It took him leaving his spouse to go have his "slut phase" for my friends to even begin questioning who they had been friends with all this time.
LoudmouthLisa said:
I don't like the idea of dropping friends I've had for years because there's a topic we disagree on.
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It's unfortunate, the situation with your friends, and I empathize with your sentiments greatly, however, I feel the less we talk about our view of things the worse this conversation gets. Ezra Miller, according to a multitude of sources that have written about him, has constantly brought up the fact that he's "non-binary" to either soften the repercussions of his own actions (like asking for a female police officer when he was being pat down by officers after one of his many altercations) or to be excused out of situations. Ezra Miller has used his NB identity as a cover for the fact that many a time away from the camera, he was presenting as completely masculine, flirting with women, drinking with them, and acting like your average frat bro.

I wish there was a way for your friends to understand that using "they/them" for Ezra Miller is practically playing into his media game. It isn't about respect anymore, it's about realizing they are using the "you're either for it or against it" mentality against any person that may even slightly question something about the "trans discourse".

Edit: Pressed enter too early lol + grammar
 
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The irony of spoiled, marauding, antisocial menace Ezra Miller being some lightning rod for respecting pronouns is mighty rich. How about wake me when that asshole starts respecing anyone or anything besides his (sorry, THEIR) own momentary whims.
 
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Ezra Miller, according to a multitude of sources that have written about him, has constantly brought up the fact that he's "non-binary" to either soften the repercussions of his own actions (like asking for a female police officer when he was being pat down by officers after one of his many altercations) or to be excused out of situations. Ezra Miller has used his NB identity as a cover for the fact that many a time away from the camera, he was presenting as completely masculine, flirting with women, drinking with them, and acting like your average frat bro.
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This is one thing where people’s (not just my friends) naïveté has really shocked me. People will take advantage of any kind of social cachet they possibly can, whether that’s through name-dropping or bribery or being lesbian until graduation or shaving your daughter’s head and making her sit in a wheelchair all day long or changing your last name to La Bombalera and talking in an outrageous non-specific accent during a New York City council meeting.

Now here comes along a social class that has supreme social currency and requires no lifestyle changes whatsoever. The attention-seeking, the love-starved, and the psychopathic among us would be foolish NOT to capitalize on this. Why can’t people see that?! Is everyone really this easily snowed? If I thought I’d be able to sleep at night I’d get into the con artist business because my god fully 70% of the United States is made up of marks.

Maybe I should be glad that the entire world doesn’t share my cynicism.
 
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LoudmouthLisa said:
This is one thing where people’s (not just my friends) naïveté has really shocked me. People will take advantage of any kind of social cachet they possibly can, whether that’s through name-dropping or bribery or being lesbian until graduation or shaving your daughter’s head and making her sit in a wheelchair all day long or changing your last name to La Bombalera and talking in an outrageous non-specific accent during a New York City council meeting.

Now here comes along a social class that has supreme social currency and requires no lifestyle changes whatsoever. The attention-seeking, the love-starved, and the psychopathic among us would be foolish NOT to capitalize on this. Why can’t people see that?! Is everyone really this easily snowed? If I thought I’d be able to sleep at night I’d get into the con artist business because my god fully 70% of the United States is made up of marks.

Maybe I should be glad that the entire world doesn’t share my cynicism.
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It's hard to believe how clueless people can be. If I personally hadn't been basically tricked into acting the same way, even if it didn't last for long and I always had my suspicions along the way, I feel I would be much angrier about this.
In my personal experience, it all came down to peer-to-peer interaction. The closest friend (a woman much older than I am) I had in the group that involved our TiM acquaintance constantly indulged him when he said he was having period cramps and offered advice that went along the lines of "get some chocolate!" or "make sure to get a hot water bag!". This went further in her and her friend circle supporting and helping him cope with the decision to label his grandmother a transphobe and cut most, if not all contact with her because she refused her grandson's trans identity.
I think the point where it got utterly ridiculous for me was much later on, though. We were playing a tabletop campaign that also included the TiM. He constantly forgot game dates and would need to be reminded about them by other players. Expressing my frustrations about this situation, in private, to the aforementioned good friend, I was confronted with this explanation: Apparently, the hormones the TiM was taking were giving him "pregnancy brain". You read that right. Synthetic female hormones in a male endocrine system that had been unaltered for 28 years were apparently giving him fucking pregnancy brain. But the saddest part isn't the delusional explanation. It is that I forced myself to believe it back then. And it took a while for the spell to wear off.
People nowadays, I imagine for the sake of my sanity, are faced with even more extreme examples of such behavior in their lives, a big portion of it introducing itself through peer-to-peer interaction as in my case, and the rest coming to fruition through successful demonization of any type of questioning aimed at such behavior. This is where we get the "trans medicine is life-saving", "trans kids need medical intervention to stay alive", "not validating gender identities results in mental harm and is actively contributing to suicide" and more from.

Look at Keffals, look at Eli Erlick, and countless more. They all get a save from their trans identity because it has been made into something much more than an identity- it's an illness, a condition, a lifestyle, a political choice, and only then an identity.
 
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me personally, i don’t have an issue with trans people in itself but when you start to act like SJW faggots throwing tranny pills down our kids throats is when it gets a bit much for me.

idk, i just challenge peoples ideas if it sounds retarded enough to me. i think that’s what it should be about though, questioning everything
 
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