Communists - That time when 100 million people died wasn't REAL communism, comrade

[Tetra]

Lenin actually did something, and arguably the majority of what we ascribe as the failures of communism are a result of Stalin taking over and ruining many of Lenin's policies. This isn't to say Lenin's system was perfect or anything, just that it was certainly better than what comes later for communism.

Of course it wasn't perfect, it set the stage for Stalin perfectly. It's probably why many communists I've talked to are pro second amendment and pro decentralization of power.
At least the smarter communists are...

 

[ToroidalBoat]

I remember someone of Cuban descent saying that Cubans compared Castro to a roach -- both are (or were) hard to kill.

 

[El Porko Fako]

my Government and Economy teacher was talking about communism today and he put on this video, it's funny but I'm really not sure how this is supposed to make me buy Wendy's

Where's the beef?

Oh, it's communism. Guess it would be less people eating cows, and more people eating each other.

 

[FromaCorvairSix]

Lenin actually did something, and arguably the majority of what we ascribe as the failures of communism are a result of Stalin taking over and ruining many of Lenin's policies. This isn't to say Lenin's system was perfect or anything, just that it was certainly better than what comes later for communism.

The only reason Lenin didn't end up like Stalin was that he died too soon. The Cheka and all the other systems of oppression were already in place, it really didn't matter who was behind the wheel at that point.

 

[Guardian G.I.]

By the metric of rate of crime, rate of poverty, rate of illness. Things like that. Communism done right far exceed the performance in those areas than capitalism does. Capitalism encourages individuals and crime is all about individualism. Communism encourages communal thinking, making it more difficult to commit individualistic crimes and giving less incentive to commit crimes.

For example, if all your money is regulated by government, then if you try to steal money from someone else, you wont be able to use the money because you got it from unknown origins and communism done right does not accept money from unknown origins. Thus stealings maain motivation sis eliminated

Spoiler: ideological bs that is only slightly relevant to the thread topic

If by communism you mean what the USSR was technically aiming for - there would be no money. The level of technological development would allow to fulfil all needs of people with minimum effort on their behalf, eliminating the need to sell their labour in exchange for goods and making money obsolete. "From each according to their abilities, to each according to their needs" - pure utopian post-scarcity society.

If you mean the actual socialist system... well, it didn't really stop people from stealing various shit from their workplace, especially if they couldn't find anything like that in stores and the state would replace all losses (or at least they would be covered up). The ageless Soviet saying read "Тащи с завода каждый гвоздь - ты здесь хозяин, а не гость!"

 

[Diesel Boogaloo]

By the metric of rate of crime, rate of poverty, rate of illness. Things like that. Communism done right far exceed the performance in those areas than capitalism does. Capitalism encourages individuals and crime is all about individualism. Communism encourages communal thinking, making it more difficult to commit individualistic crimes and giving less incentive to commit crimes.

For example, if all your money is regulated by government, then if you try to steal money from someone else, you wont be able to use the money because you got it from unknown origins and communism done right does not accept money from unknown origins. Thus stealings maain motivation sis eliminated

1. In the late 80s, the Soviet Union had higher homicide rate than the United States (sadly there aren't any earlier Soviet data). Today, Venezuela has a higher homicide rate than its cartel-ridden neighbor Colombia.
2. Life expectancy at birth in all major developed capitalist countries was higher than in any socialist country since at least early 70s.

Oh wait, you're talking about that magical "communism done right". I guess no country has yet found a magical pink unicorn that is necessary to achieve that... Oh wait.

 

[Star Stuff]

Oh yeah, about time we got to these fuckwits. When I was going thru my antifa stuff I saw a major overlap/identical with these guys.
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My answer to that shit.
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I'll never get why these people say they deserve, deserve, deserve. Whatever happened to earning?

I remember someone of Cuban descent saying that Cubans compared Castro to a roach -- both are (or were) hard to kill.

This is a common Cuban saying, yes.

Onto the topic of Communism, I also always hear people say "Oh, it's a great idea, we just need to find a way to make it work in reality". I really fail to see where stealing someone's efforts and spreading it across those who made no said effort is a great idea. Then again, even if these Communists knew it relied on theft, they wouldn't care since they're either the dictator or some Tumblr idiot who was in the shoplifting fad. Essentially the perfect example of what they consider a 'privileged person'.

 

[FierceBrosnan]

I'll never get why these people say they deserve, deserve, deserve. Whatever happened to earning?

Sadly we live in a culture of entitlement. Everything has to be right now and it's all about me! me! me! me! me! I don't know exactly when it all started or what factor in society is most to blame, but I personally put a good chunk of it on modern academia and social media.

 

[escapegoat]

We're nazis now, guys.
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Who knew that "seize the means of production" actually meant "appeal to customer service at evil profit vehicle/exploitation org, Dreamhost, via the laziest method possible for petty and unwarranted retribution?"

True communists.

 

[Guardian G.I.]

excerpts from /r/FULLCOMMUNISM's Discord server circa September 2016:

Spoiler

 

[Tetra]

This is a common Cuban saying, yes.

Onto the topic of Communism, I also always hear people say "Oh, it's a great idea, we just need to find a way to make it work in reality". I really fail to see where stealing someone's efforts and spreading it across those who made no said effort is a great idea. Then again, even if these Communist knew it relied on theft, they wouldn't care since they're either the dictator or some Tumblr idiot who was in the shoplifting fad.

It has to do with the greater good mentality.
"Stealing from people is alright because they are exploiting workers and stealing from them. We are simply taking back what was stolen"
or these are the authoritarian communists..

As far as I know when it comes to the libertarian communists they think that education will make people inherently good and everyone will share with each-other freely.
That, or they think technology has progressed far enough that all labour that is being done today isn't really needed and is only because capitalists want to have slaves.
(Ignoring that the more employees a company has, the less efficient it is)

 

[Black Waltz]

I'm curious, what exactly do these tards consider real communism?

 

[escapegoat]

What is a "libertarian communist?" Is this some sort of Reddit thing?

 

[Tetra]

I'm curious, what exactly do these tards consider real communism?

Different for everyone. Whatever they themselves think I guess. You need to approach the individual commie for a clear answer.
Some think stalinism is the way forward, others a second-amendment decentralized communist system. Free-market communism and on and on..

 

[MistressCaridad]

I actually had a DSA drone the other day legitimately tell me Cuba wasn't actually communist and admit he had no idea who Che was.

Yeah, Che either gets lionized or forgotten. I can't tell you how many Tumblr types have informed me (a Cuban-American whose parents left Cuba to get away from the shitshow) that Che Guevara was "a great Cuban patriot" when he 1) wasn't even Cuban and 2) was basically a hired thug for the Fidelistas who didn't really give a shit about the country or everything Martí and the Cuba Libre movement fought for.

I remember someone of Cuban descent saying that Cubans compared Castro to a roach -- both are (or were) hard to kill.

True. So fucking true.

I try really hard not to A-log on this subject but... it's a struggle when these ignorant little shits inform us all that Castro-style communism will bring about some utopia.

Sadly we live in a culture of entitlement. Everything has to be right now and it's all about me! me! me! me! me! I don't know exactly when it all started or what factor in society is most to blame, but I personally put a good chunk of it on modern academia and social media.

What they don't realize is that the lazy entitlement attitude (as others have stated) doesn't fly very well in these regimes. (Then again, neither would the whole genderspecial nonbinary flugelsexual toiletkin pronouns frgh/frghs/frghself please U TRIGGERRED ME REEEEE thing they do, either, but they won't believe you if you tell them that.) Nor do they realize how heavily controlled the news media is by these governments (as an example, Granma, Cuba's major newspaper, is owned by the government and only prints party line approved content). If they think "fake news" is a problem in their little corners of the world, they haven't even scratched the surface.

[apologizes for sperging and rates self autistic]

 

[Tetra]

Yeah, Che either gets lionized or forgotten. I can't tell you how many Tumblr types have informed me (a Cuban-American whose parents left Cuba to get away from the shitshow) that Che Guevara was "a great Cuban patriot" when he 1) wasn't even Cuban and 2) was basically a hired thug for the Fidelistas who didn't really give a shit about the country or everything Martí and the Cuba Libre movement fought for.

Che is the perfect example of "you either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain"
Had he lived on he'd for sure become just another shitty communist.

anyway back to posting commies for me I guess

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

Am I in a community watch thread or did I somehow end up in a honeypot?

What if the honeypot isn't meant for people for Communism, but for people against it?

 

[ToroidalBoat]

[screencap about robbery]

So a TRUE and HONEST commie wouldn't mind if @cumrobbery stole their jizz?

 

[Anaiah Carlson]

How come they never ever choose the second option then?

Its never been attempted on a large scale as far as i am aware. It has been successful when done in small scale communities

 

[escapegoat]

What they don't realize is that the lazy entitlement attitude (as others have stated) doesn't fly very well in these regimes.

They appear to be under the impression that everyone will be given jobs "according to their ability." Right? So "smart" people (like them, of course!) will get some challenging, yet fulfilling assignment in the new world order, and that increasing automation means everyone will have all this amazing leisure time! Not that like, Mao will stick all student-peasant-soldier-workers into some field to do subpar farm work, while they all live in a patriotic reeducation camp, where they can maybe tell on any grumbling old people that used to do the work.