Could the American armed force solve their recruiting problems by offering a pre-boot camp focused on mental and physical health?

[The Ugly One]

> ruin American children with pills and punishing outdoor play
> teach them to hate themselves
> teach them to hate their country

"Maybe we could fix the recruiting crisis with therapy."

C'mon bait poster. Gulf War 1 & II were major enough. It might be noted the US trounced the VC in almost all instances. The political will failed. Same with Afghanistan. US bombs and cruise missiles closed off the Yugoslav War and brought the Serbs to Dayton. The US has the only first rate military nowadays. For nearly 79 years of defeat Red China might be the example. Forty years GW1 weapons fuck the Russkies hard when supplied to UA.

Making the Euros not sponge defensively on Uncle Sam will allow a moderation in spending.

The US military wins battles and loses wars. A lot of people don't understand the difference, so they think that all those lost wars must mean that at some point, entire divisions must have gotten wiped out by goatherds on Hilux-based technicals. Of course, our own leadership in America doesn't understand the difference, either, which is why they keep confusing the ability to turn peasants into paste from the sky with superweapons with the ability to win wars.

 

[oldTireWater]

They have already started a "pre-basic" program, and it seems to be working fairly well.

https://www.armytimes.com/news/your...-pre-boot-camp-boot-camp-is-likely-to-expand/

A large part of the military's recruiting problems stem from "pre-existing conditions". The incoming generation has been diagnosed with all kinds of made-up bullshit by the time they hit 18. These diagnoses get them flagged when they try to enlist. There are waivers for most of these "conditions" but it takes time to get one. When kids have a cooling off period before they can sign the paperwork they tend to back out. I've had multiple recruiters bitch to me about this phenomenon.

The military will always draw recruits. Maybe not as many as they want, but people will always want to do it. Times have changed for the worse, but the military has changed the least, despite some high profile lunacy. For the most part the dudes to your left and right act about the same as they did 30 years ago. More of them are going to be chicks, and more of them are going to have goddamn shaving profiles though.

 

[ArnoldPalmer]

They could fix their recruitment problems very quickly by making America a country worth defending.

 

[Tiny Chinaman]

They're literally creating courses for retards that cant pass the test to get in. If you are of a certain age and American you understand how retarded and shitty teaching for the test is

 

[ZeCommissar]

The problem runs much much deeper than just "people are fat, and mentally weak". That is one of the big reasons the military numbers are dropping for sure, but its not all. How are you going to get potential recruits out of a pool of fat, self-centered, and bitter grown children? You put corn syrup and other slop in everything they eat, encourage them to select one out of 30 mental illnesses, emasculate men, lie about a casus belli blatantly and suffer no consequences, constantly fearmonger through media about "how shit everything is oh god we're doomed!", divide and conquer politically to the point people can't even stand their own neighbor and then act surprised when it backfires and no one joins your army? Fat camp may fix fat, but it wont fix chopping your dick off.

There are bigger and more pressing issues as to why people aren't joining the military anymore.

The incompetency of government. This is the biggest issue facing America, and the majority of declining nations in the world. Make no mistake, if our government continues down the path they're going down it will not only destroy our military, but it will destroy our finances, our families, our people, and this nation. Why would you fight for a nation that has elites that actively could care less if you died right now? They want to control every aspect of your life, shove propaganda down your throat 24/7, and make you own nothing and be happy and you want to fight for it? Why would any red blooded American male or female sign up for a government that could care less about the consent of the governed? These "people" face no dangers in a war. Talk shit about monarchy and old nobles all you want, but at least in many cases when they went to war they fought with their men. Kings used to die during their campaigns. Nobles would lose sons during bad cavalry charges. Do you think Joe Biden is going to be on the frontlines of anywhere else but the ice cream shop? Do you think Nikki Haleys son has to ever worry about being drafted in some undeclared war if SHTF? They are the new nobles of our age with none of the consequences or risks.

You can have all of the fat camps in the world, throw out more money, and crush all the antideppresants you want, but if you don't fix these issues don't be surprised when people say "fuck off"

You want to challenge young people and find a new purpose in life? Get off your ass and go to the gym. Go after that dream job you've thought about for the past few years and see what you can do about it. Put yourself in social settings you have never expierenced. Put in the work for a good few years and you'll be a new person, and you don't need a drill sergant to make it happen.

 

[Maginot]

They would be instilled with healthy lifestyle routines and learn self-care skills like cooking, and learn better social and communication skills.

Didn't high school have home education until it was watered down into day care/college entry prep?

 

[Ultrapenguin]

So what, like someone's fat and retarded and needs another grown adult to tell them to eat some broccoli rather than doordashing Wendy's whenever they're bored or anxious, like their dad would?
Then you're going to give these people guns and expect them to perform under pressure?

Maybe those are actually the ideal recruits. Take a bunch of fat helpless tards and form them into lifelong soldiers that won't ask questions because they can't operate without being told what to do. They won't even want to go back to civilian life.

The whole thing sounds absurd but the more I think about it the more I think it might be exactly what the army needs in our modern world, there would probably be tons of people out there who'd be drawn in just by the adult daycare element.

Although there would have to be some way to ensure people wouldn't use it as a vacation then just bail.

 

[God of Nothing]

There is no way in hell you'll undo several generations worth of damage in such a short amount of time.

 

[Dropsies]

Just recruit tweakers into the military. Their ability to withstand extreme heat and cold, go days without food, and ability to build shelter anywhere and reroute power lines means you effectively get an already-trained super soldier just itching to be deployed. They're extremely resilient, aggressive, and disposable (nobody is going to miss the local homeless geeker) so the military could use them freely in battles worldwide. As long as you pay them with unlimited meth out of police evidence lockers across the nation they'll stay 100% loyal to you and fight to the bitter end. If they do this they'll also be killing two birds with one stone: fixing America's recruiting problem and homeless drug addict problem all at once.

 

[Doctor Love]

I don't think the army's easy access to firearms would be good for me.

C'mon, Bruce.

You know full-well it's your duty to invent new, legal weaponry.

 

[oldTireWater]

The whole thing sounds absurd but the more I think about it the more I think it might be exactly what the army needs in our modern world, there would probably be tons of people out there who'd be drawn in just by the adult daycare element.

It's exactly an adult daycare. Being in the military is just like being a kid: you have very little control over your life, all your needs are taken care of, you get to bully the younger kids and get bullied by the older kids, but no matter how bad it is you get to play fuck-around games with your friends all day. The secret is that it's kids all the way up. There are no adults, just bigger kids.

Spoiler: TMI

I was sitting around the barracks watching MTV Spring Break one day when I was struck with a spontaneous thought: "My god! How do these people survive with so little structure? They don't even know how bad they have it!"

 

[Betonhaus]

...I suppose these tactics (instead of just making the army more honorable and directly focused on real threats to the homeland) would be more likely to recruit mercantile soldiers instead of patriotic soldiers. But that kind of mindset would likely be more appropriate for this literation of the army when it's being used for sabotaging other nations.

 

[Ughubughughughughughghlug]

They already have fat camps pre-boot camp. One of very few such programs that works.

 

[MadStan]

We are in peace time. It’s a hard sell during easy times. If we didn’t cut breaks to the lowest 10% of the school grads or non grads; they’d have no choice and would see it as their only option.

Typically they comprised the bulk of recruits in the past - deadbeats. To be fair the armed services have very sophisticated jobs for high level grads but they are usually approached with rosey offers and asked to join.

 

[The Grognard]

We are in peace time. It’s a hard sell during easy times. If we didn’t cut breaks to the lowest 10% of the school grads or non grads; they’d have no choice and would see it as their only option.

Typically they comprised the bulk of recruits in the past - deadbeats. To be fair the armed services have very sophisticated jobs for high level grads but they are usually approached with rosey offers and asked to join.

I do not see the usual military demographics joining the military under the current regime. They have done everything they can to ensure that those who desire to serve the country would rather see their government burn than join up if say, Hezbollah bombs the NBA finals or something. This is not merely an American problem because the whole Anglosphere has done the exact same thing and don't even get me started on how central Europe has done everything it can to completely fuck itself over militarily for the past 30 years. Those governments are more scared of people who give a shit about their country than they are of a third world war.

 

[cigint]

They could fix their recruitment problems very quickly by making America a country worth defending

I'm not so sure this can be done "very quickly" anymore in a country where kids who read at elementary-school-level are being pushed through high school to make up numbers, and toothpaste needs to be locked up at Walgreens.

 

[Angry Alt Right Nerd]

Yes, but joining the military is the closest thing to an isekai that we have in this reality.

No, despite popular belief, the actual the main appeal of isekai is being overpowered because you cheat with knowledge from your past life.

 

[PermaLurker69]

Joining the military can be a good thing.

Nigga, are you a fed or a recruiter? Don't you have a highschool to recruit from?

Setting aside trying to potentially recruit ppl with mental illness, especially young people, have you been to VAs office? You know they prescribe heavy medication after your tour? Just tell young people to get a job, going to the military where most people are treated like shit unless they score high on their tests despite their service is crazy.

 

[khaine]

How about this: You're in the US Military- and the US loses a war you fought in? You're on the chopping block for Financial Decematio- basically, every 1 in 10 veterans of said lost war, completely randomly selected through lottery, will lose every one of their Veterans/Military benefits- No GI Bill, no pension, no VA healthcare, not even a 10% military discount on your weekend dinner-date to Applebee's (TM).

I guarantee you if someone like Dan Crenshaw had this applied to them it would light a fire under their ass to vocalize against any unnecessary foreign conflicts/entanglements instead of the way they act now. With enough pressure like that *any* military engagement that wasn't absolutely necessary for the survival of the country would be so unpopular you wouldn't need to recruit so many people for the military. Food for thought!

Or you could just bring back the roman practice of decimation

 

[The Grognard]

Decimation is a stupid, counter-productive thing. If anything, losses should be treated as as valuable lesson to be learned from instead of punishing people because the other side fought better.