Creationists - Jack Chick, Kent Hovind, etc.

[Jomadre]

Ah who am I kidding, knowing Chick's sense of "justice" Hitler's probably living it up in Heaven while every last one of the Holocaust victims are burning in hell forever. Even the babies.

I can't say I've read everything the man wrote, but from what I read he seems pretty pro-Israel. He doesn't like Catholics, Muslims, or non-christian faiths, but he's fine with the Jews oddly enough.

 

[Atlas 95]

I can't say I've read everything the man wrote, but from what I read he seems pretty pro-Israel. He doesn't like Catholics, Muslims, or non-christian faiths, but he's fine with the Jews oddly enough.

He's that breed of Christian which blindly supports Israel because they believe its existence is crucial to bringing about the end of days, and consider this a good thing. He couldn't give a fuck about the Jews, he just wants a battle in a very specific valley to somehow end the world

 

[Jomadre]

I don't want the world to end, that's where I keep my stuff!

 

[Hummingbird]

Lisa

Remember folks, repeatedly raping your daughter who is no more than a toddler, infecting her with an incurable STD, then letting your neighbours rape her repeatedly is all perfectly fine so long as you say the magic words "I accept jack chi.....Jesus Christ as my own personal savior" all is fucking forgiven, and you are the paragon of morality from that moment forth. (also even though you have escaped life in prison and 30 years of "Goosh Goosh" from an enraged cellmate, there is no need to extend any concern for your daughter's scarred mind and body, since (and I quote directly from the course) Jesus "will straighten out this mess")

You have to wonder what kind of person Lisa is going to grow up to be like.

Also, there's Truth for Youth which is like Chick Tracts with color and less insane. I remember when they were first released with westernized art the safe sex one had information that about about 20 years old. But they at least updated the info when the redid the art in an anime style.

 

[Ca Ira]

I can't recall if this has been brought up yet:

 

[A-№1]

Chick definitely believes all myths are real. It's just that all non-Judeo-Christian beings are actually demons pretending to be gods.

Yeah, that's what I was getting at. Batshit Jack Chick actually believes that stuff despite the fact that, except for a very few instances, none of them are ever even mentioned in the bible his purported faith is based upon. So he's tacitly admitting that the bible is not the sole fount of truth on religious matters, his naming them demons notwithstanding. In fact he seems to think every mythology, no matter how minor, has a seed of truth to it except, you know, "they're all demons".

Odd as it is to even consider, were it not for the matter of a few thousand years Jack Chick might even have believed something as ridiculous as electric hedgehog pokemon are real somewhere (but demons). That's what I was getting at with the head canon comment. Like does he assign different personalities to Isis and Serapis and whatnot? Does he create dialogue for them to interact in his head? How much of his tracts does he think of as mere narrative, and how much does he believe actually happened as he's written?

We know he's nuts. It's just a question of how nuts. Despite their superficial differences, Jack Chick might not be all that different from OPL, only Jack Chick discovered religion whereas Chris discovered sonic and nintendo.

 

[PantsOfDesire]

It's funny you bring that up.

I love that one. Chick appears to be forgetting that Martin Luther was notoriously anti-Semitic, even by the standards of his time, and it's difficult to argue that Luther was not an influence on Nazi thought. The Catholic church is by no means innocent. Its behaviour during the war was reprehensible and its shown itself frequently happy to get in bed with dictators, like Franco and Hitler, so long as it gave the church power. Still, it's a stretch to say that Hitler was operating as a Catholic or needed permission from the Vatican to go on his killing spree.

Chick never lets facts get in the way of a good screed.

Don't forget that despite that and rock music being grounds for hell, it's apparently not about the "deeds" someone has done.

In other words, another point for Chick!GodJesus being the absolute worst kind of villainous scum ever. He'll punish for deeds but never reward... or reward serial killers that don't deserve it. I dunno, I'm pretty sure these tracts are meant to be for raising militant atheists or worse, soldiers for the Vatican that totally exist.

Rambling theological stuff...

Spoiler

Despite claims that Chick is about works being part of salvation, Chick is very much in the salvation by grace camp, despite some claiming that he's pushing salvation by works, and we can see that quite clearly in his comics. The main argument against this is to claim that the need to repent is itself a work, which seems to rest on the belief that ceasing to do something is to actually do something. Logically that could be true, but it ignores both the context of Chick's tracts and core Evangelical doctrine. In all of Chick's tracts, the key to salvation is to accept Christ. It doesn't matter what people did prior to that. The Gunslinger is a perfect example, where the law abiding sheriff goes to Hell, and murdering and raping bandit goes to Heaven because he accepted Christ prior to his execution. I don't see how it can be made any clearer than in that tract. Calvin (not an Evangelical) said that acts are not part of salvation, and instead would be seen as a sign that someone is saved (or the "elect" in his terms). i.e. good works are a sign of salvation, not a cause.

To me it's a big problem that the disparate Christian sects can't agree on the requirements for salvation, which should be a red flag when they can't agree on the most important aspect of Christianity. Yep, Chick Tracts are great for laughs and for turning people away from the faith. Chick's theology is sound - it's Evangelicalism taken to its natural conclusion. Errors tend to creep in when he's discussing things outside of salvation, such as his bizarre rants against Jews, Wiccans, and players of boardgames. Chick's bonkers, yet his theology is sound in the context of the John loving Evangelicals.

 

[Ca Ira]

Despite claims that Chick is about works being part of salvation, Chick is very much in the salvation by grace camp

This is probably most starkly evidenced in "Flight 144," in which a "saved" murderer and a pair of selfless but insufficiently faithful humanitarian workers die at the same time. The former goes to Heaven, while the latter are promptly cast into the Lake of Fire with a mighty "YAAAAAH!"

Also, it reveals that the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge was an eggplant:

 

[PantsOfDesire]

(snip)

Also, it reveals that the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge was an eggplant:

Heh, I didn't notice the eggplant thing. I do recall that look on Eve's face. Cheeky minx - damning us all to hellfire, and she knows it!

 

[Ca Ira]

Heh, I didn't notice the eggplant thing. I do recall that look on Eve's face. Cheeky minx - damning us all to hellfire, and she knows it!

It gets better:

In case anyone wonders, this image was, at one point, featured in an ad for a Chick DVD, in which it was described as a "breathtaking oil painting." You might argue that this is technically factual.

 

[Hummingbird]

Also one of this anti-Halloween tracts got some things majorly wrong. He claimed that on that day in the medieval times, the druids would go around, demanding the peasants would give their virgin daughters to them where they would be killed and their fat would be used to make candles for jack-o-lanterns.

-Wouldn't the druids eventually run out of maidens to sacrifice if they did this yearly. The rulers of the bigger villages would eventually not put up with this anymore (no matter how apathetic they were to their people) because they would need a fresh supply of peasants to keep the population going.
-I hear that human fat makes for lousy candles.
-Pumpkins were a new world vegetable and the medieval period was close to over when Columbus discovered those new lands.

 

[Fwiffo]

It gets better:

In case anyone wonders, this image was, at one point, featured in an ad for a Chick DVD, in which it was described as a "breathtaking oil painting." You might argue that this is technically factual.

Eve's eyebrows are on fleek goddamn

 

[Da Pickle Monsta]

This is my favorite Chick Tract, as it represents my first exposure to them. When I was in college, my dad took a trip down to El Salvador and came back with a copy of "Gomez is Coming!" written in Spanish. For years afterward, I thought they were indigenous to Central and South America.

Spoiler

Because the Latin Kings will totally give up gang activities if they find Real Jesus. Don't trust Catholic imitations.

Sorry, had to cut out one page of witnessing.

 

[MayMay]

Yeah aaaaand the butcher becomes the butchered. That'll teach him to have a bland nickname/motif.

 

[autisticdragonkin]

https://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/1038/1038_01.asp

the first tract that I ever was exposed to, now know the true scientific explanation for the lack of dinosaurs in the modern world (and that god is stupid enough to make the disastrous mistake that killed the dinosaurs

 

[Commodore B.S.]

Ok. Are we talking about Dragons or Dinosaurs? Get your shit together chick.

And also, You would think if dinosaurs were still alive as the same time as humans, we would have at least something documenting it. Cave paintings, hieroglyphics, writings, Something!

 

[Grand Number of Pounds]

Creationists like Chick do think dinosaurs existed with people, but people just called them dragons.

The Creation Museum in Kentucky has a display that says T-Rex existed in 2348 BC

Edit - by "existed" I mean that the creationists say it was buried in Noah's worldwide flood at that time

 

[Red_Rager]

Creationists like Chick do think dinosaurs existed with people, but people just called them dragons.

The Creation Museum in Kentucky has a display that says T-Rex existed in 2348 BC

Sure they did, within people's imagination that is.

 

[Hat]

This is probably most starkly evidenced in "Flight 144," in which a "saved" murderer and a pair of selfless but insufficiently faithful humanitarian workers die at the same time. The former goes to Heaven, while the latter are promptly cast into the Lake of Fire with a mighty "YAAAAAH!"

I've always considered this tract a classic example of how poor Chick is at getting his message across. He was trying to show that you can't buy your way into Heaven with good works, but he decides to use an elderly pair of missionaries to demonstrate that point. The same happens in Gun Slinger, where Chick tries to demonstrate the point by sending a small town Sheriff to Hell.

 

[Hummingbird]

I've always considered this tract a classic example of how poor Chick is at getting his message across. He was trying to show that you can't buy your way into Heaven with good works, but he decides to use an elderly pair of missionaries to demonstrate that point. The same happens in Gun Slinger, where Chick tries to demonstrate the point by sending a small town Sheriff to Hell.

I always felt like the ex-muderer in the plane one wasn't fully sorry for what he did since he's getting his free ticket to heaven.