Current issues with the market - Any ideas on avoiding the end?

Good post, but crypto currency is decidedly not more stable over the long term than the US dollar. Remember, the US Dollar is always worth what the US Government says it is. The US Government has immeasurable tools at its disposal to ensure the value of its dollar; we aren't talking about Ghana here, we're talking about one of the world's economic superpowers. Compounding this is the fact that many countries hold USD as a reserve currency, and some like Ecuador said "fuck it, we'll just use the USD as our currency".

We have seen bubbles and crashes before and if you'd stuck through the trough of 2008 without cashing in your 401k like a moron, you'd be even by 2012 and way, way up by 2021. Even the greatest crashes in history don't hold a candle to how fucked a big crypto crash could leave you, especially if you can't afford to wait out the crash.
If you have too much money on your hands just keep buying more gold
Gold returns something like 3% over the long term; it's marginally better than a t bill, but with more volatility.
Ok since you're invested in crypto, what makes bitcoin different to ETH?
Bitcoin is "the original cryptocurrency". It's like asking "what's the difference between the US Dollar and the South African Rand?". Technically, not much. Psychologically, lots. Look at what happened to something like ETH or LTC during the last major crash.
Yeah but what if the blood doesn't go away until the bull comes back out in several years?

(What if it keeps going down)
Is this a real question? Why do you think people tell you to not invest more than you're willing to lose, or in this case, more than you can afford to wait out?

If you're old and are afraid you're going to die before the next business cycle, it's time to get into low return, stable asset mixes, which is why pension funds do exactly that. Everyone else needs to relax and realize that so long as you're invested in real companies with real products, the market will bounce back. The trick is in timing your sale so you're holding more cash at the crash, then going on a buying spree.
Is it actually worth it to invest in land now with the way the market is? I do live in a good area for investing in land but I'm worried that if I waited a year I'd be able to buy a better, larger property for cheaper.
So long as you're prudent about it. It used to be that you could pick up land at the urban-rural boundary of an expanding city, run a driving range or a u-pick raspberry farm off of it, then sell it to a developer for $50 million once the suburbs had reached it, but developers have all that land in their own inventory now. Buying a house in a nice neighbourhood with good schools is almost never a bad investment in the long term; if you can afford one that's slightly nicer than average, that's even better. Land is the one thing they don't make more of. If you have a couple million and you're risk-tolerant, you could potentially get involved in a private equity deal for a development; those can return 20% p.a., but you carry the risk of ending up with nothing for 5+ years.
Every loan being issued right now is being done at a loss for the bank yet they are doing it anyway. Why? That loan will be a black hole on their ledger for the next 30 years! In this situation the bank would normally just stop lending until some sort equilibrium was reestablished.
Banks get money even cheaper than they give it out for. Fractional reserve essentially means they have infinite money to lend out, and even 3.25% is better than 0%, since banks only need to pay back the nominal principal + a very tiny amount of interest.

The secondary mortgage market is very fat right now; they're right back to securitizing mortgages and selling them to the general public. Yet another reason the Fed is being so careful about rate hikes... 50 basis points to the interest rate means a ~15% increase in the price of mortgages, which means a ~15%+ drop in the price of housing; more if it causes speculators to drop out of the market or default.
 
So I am just positing here that it is odd how Soros and his kid met with Pelosi a few weeks ago, China then designated the guy a "economic terrorist", the UK/AUS/US nuclear sub deal meant to go against China occurred, and now the Chinese market is imploding.

Now I'm not saying Soros is the puppet master...to the contrary, more of a public face of a larger group.
But following this timeline lately has been something. Like perhaps per Lockstep, as long as leaders don't go off on their own they'll be fine, and Xi has been rocking the boat.

Just 🤔
 
Ok. This time everything is actually going to shit, isn't it ?
Probably not. Problem with the crash is you can't see it coming until you're already pretty deep into it. Now, if we drop another 8% in the next two weeks, yea, it might be bad. That said, there's always risk in the market, pullbacks just heighten your awareness of it, they don't necessarily increase it -- in fact you could argue they do the opposite.

That said, it's been a rough couple weeks.
 
Once the Asian markets get going tomorrow you are gonna see some serious shit in the crypto market. Hope y'all took your money off the table. Keep an eye on Tether too. They use corporate debts to float their stable coin and the debt market in Asia is about to get absolutely wrecked.
I pretty much woke up yesterday and pulled most of my portfolio to cash. For once, I think that's the wisest thing to do with this market; crypto and otherwise. I am hoping that China figures out something, aside from punishment, that prevents a massive ripple. I'm sort of hoping that Chinese pride wins and they pull an ace out of their sleeves to prevent it and tarnishing their image.
 
If I don't buy stock, as a pleb, should I spend a majority of my stimulus savings on capital and non-market volatile investments that will help me down the line with my career for long run plans and withdraw the rest of my cash from the bank or should I just stay where I am at? Or should I do what you guys are doing and invest in crypto and play the stock game?
1. Do you have a stable job.
2. Do you have disposable income to invest?

If you said yes then go right ahead and invest into wide portfolio of stock. People always needs to eat. People always needs a roof over their heads, People will die eventually so look into the Death Industry as well.

NOW to my fucking annoyance and now having to shift my thinking on things is this.


I've always thought that the poverty level dumb fucks would be overflowing California. Damned I am wrong. What it means in Socialistic California... Well Moar wealthy libtards will be in here and the scum of the earth will be spreading and infecting their ideology towards the rest of the country.

This means the Coastal City housing ain't going down in price anymore. As a matter of fact when ever an area is infected by the socialists, the price of housing goes UP.

The average price for a house in SanFranShitshow is 1.5 million. The average property taxes alone will be over 23 grand per year if you purchase a new house at the Shity by the bay.

Who in the fucking hell can live over there?
 
If I don't buy stock, as a pleb, should I spend a majority of my stimulus savings on capital and non-market volatile investments that will help me down the line with my career for long run plans and withdraw the rest of my cash from the bank or should I just stay where I am at? Or should I do what you guys are doing and invest in crypto and play the stock game?
Buy stock index funds if you want to invest for the long-term.

Crypto is gambling and full of scams. Individual stocks are very high-risk (but also high-reward).

Best strategy for the long term is stock index funds and put money in when you have it. Don't try and time the market because you will likely fail
 
C'mon crash, got about 20k I want to throw in the market but have been idly (and perhaps naively) waiting for the inevitable correction.
If it's gonna do it it will do it soon. Shanghai stock market opens in a few hours (extended holiday over in Ching Chong land) and the debts are due tomorrow. Next 3 days will be critical.
 
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Coinbase is taking a shit atm. I think a ton of people are pulling out.

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What do you know, whenever you see CNBC and the like prepping the "end is near" articles you should probably feel it's safe to buy again.
 
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What do you know, whenever you see CNBC and the like prepping the "end is near" articles you should probably feel it's safe to buy again.
It's stop gap at best. China's overly financialized property sector is frightening in scope. A quarter of the nation's GDP with over 50 trillion dollars in potential liability. If that dam break there is not enough money in the world to plug it. Looking like for now the little Dutch boy has stopped the flood.
 
It's stop gap at best. China's overly financialized property sector is frightening in scope. A quarter of the nation's GDP with over 50 trillion dollars in potential liability. If that dam break there is not enough money in the world to plug it. Looking like for now the little Dutch boy has stopped the flood.
I'm kinda meh on this whole thing. It might fuck some poor souls in Chyna that get the stiff rod of a corrupt central government shoved up their ass but China doesn't really have a lot of banking tentacles into the rest of the finance world and certainly not in the US. I actually hope this is a deflationary event and fucks China consumer demand so that the price of many goods falls including US real estate. Fuckers buying up all the west coast the past decade.

Personally I did OK the last few weeks but I probably would have done better not hitting on single button on my broker. I sold a lot of shares and some ATM CCs on others but I ended up buying in about where I sold, maybe 1-2% lower at best. I'm mostly holding U, RKLB, MSFT and a few options. I like to keep it simple, trade what I know and for the most part that is tech. Tend to get burned wading outside my areas.
 
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After this and all the news of companies like Samsung pulling out, I thought China might acutally be in trouble, but their foreign reserves haven't budged. That's what really matters- anything internal they can do as they please to fix things.
 
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Is this a real question? Why do you think people tell you to not invest more than you're willing to lose, or in this case, more than you can afford to wait out?

I agree wholeheartedly. I'm just concerned because I'm looking to purchase property in ~5 years (currently living at work for free, long story lol), which is not a traditionally safe period of time to invest in the market.

Problem is I've got a large wad of cash that needs to keep up with inflation, and with CD, Savings accounts, and money markets being a total joke, what kind of asset can one invest in that is relatively low risk and at least keeps up with inflation?

But every dollar besides that fixed amount is going to low cost index funds and I will HODL for years to come, as any wise investor should do.
 
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Best strategy for the long term is stock index funds and put money in when you have it. Don't try and time the market because you will likely fail
Indexfonds are for people who dont have time or the brains to invest. everybody can outperform them. just sort out the shit stocks from the index. you end up with 75% of the index and will outperform the index in the long run by quite a bit.
and for timing the market, you shouldnt try to be perfect, but waiting for a correction till you invest a large sum is not a bad idea if you want to hold long term.
 
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