Current issues with the market - Any ideas on avoiding the end?

For this year? Or how long was that?
thats for 2015 till 2020 i dont have data for this year, i dont watch this part of my investments closely, i just check the turds every couple of months if they still look like shit.

For my individual stocks, I am up about 10% in the past year but only have 2
Thats nice, but would be much to stressfull for me. smae for crypto, i dont wanna watch the ticker every day. thats why im so happy with my strategy, you pretty much have the protection from an index fund and very cheap risk. without looking at the market weekly.
 
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thats for 2015 till 2020 i dont have data for this year, i dont watch this part of my investments closely, i just check the turds every couple of months if they still look like shit.


Thats nice, but would be much to stressfull for me. smae for crypto, i dont wanna watch the ticker every day. thats why im so happy with my strategy, you pretty much have the protection from an index fund and very cheap risk. without looking at the market weekly.
How do you replicate an index fund but just throw a few out? There's thousands of stocks in the market

S&P 500 has returned about 14% per year since 2015
 
How do you replicate an index fund but just throw a few out? There's thousands of stocks in the market
Indexfunds are modelled after an index. in my case its the DAX. they hold every stock in the DAX with the same weighting as the DAX.
so its very easy to replicate them.

S&P 500 has returned about 14% per year since 2015
Yes, but i dont want a currency risk so i have to invest into Euro stocks.
 
So you have your own index, essentially? How many stocks is it?
No, i copy the main Index and kick out the companies i think suck. currently i have 24 stocks in that investment, i kicked out 4 and i dont own 2 others because they are currently in the process of changing around between main index and mid cap index.


Im currently in a bit of a bad position because i need to add 7 to 8 stocks because the dax went up from 30 to 40 stocks this year...
 
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No, i copy the main Index and kick out the companies i think suck. currently i have 24 stocks in that investment, i kicked out 4 and i dont own 2 others because they are currently in the process of changing around between main index and mid cap index.


Im currently in a bit of a bad position because i need to add 7 to 8 stocks because the dax went up from 30 to 40 stocks this year...
That's a small index. I am used to S&P 500 or Total Stock Market, which has 3000 lol. I guess the dow is only 30 but the dow sucks
 
Yes, but i dont want a currency risk so i have to invest into Euro stocks.
There obiously is currency risk involved in an international stock portfolio, which by the way, is a risk and a chance. But you still have currency risk even with "only" Euro stocks. I make an example with Apple and the US-Dollar:

Apple is selling it's goods and services in around 150 countries and therefore in a few dozent different currencies. The same goes for the expenses of the company. The US-Dollar is probably the most important currency but it surely not an alone decisive factor. All the other currencies play a role as well.

This is the same for most of the big companies. More so for the blue chips stocks like they are within the DAX Index. Not one of these companies is doing business in solely one currency and nobody can calculate all those different currency dependancies with reasonable effort. Volkswagen is selling it's cars in China for the Yuan, in the United Kingdom for the Pound and so on. Only because the currencies are traded into Euros at some point, doesn't mean that there is no currency risk for the investor involved.
Not to mention that the currency markets are one of the most efficient markets that exist.

And then we come back to the Index Fund argument. I am pretty sure that "diversification" is somewhere in the investment 101 rules. So to spread your money/assets over different sectors, countries, currencies, assets and so on. And that's why I have to disagree hard on the DAX Index example. The strong point of the index fund is it's ability to have a ridiclious broad diversification while maintaining rock bottom fees.

A 30 or now 40 component index is just an utter waste of the diversification benefit of the index fund. An all world index etf contains more than 3.500 stocks. To somewhat replicate the DAX is feasible. Do somewhat replicate an "All World ETF" is utterly impossible, unless you are somewhere in the Fortune 400 list.

Moreover, the bad stocks and the bad outlook of them is already priced in. They are relatively cheap and usually only represent a fraction of the index. So having some money flow into them is usually not that much of an issue and there is always the chance that some of these companies are able to have a comback, which comes with unusual high rewards for the investor. Always remember that Apple was once close to bankruptcy and see where they are now.

Sure you can put most of your money into companies from Germany. But when it comes to returns it was a, comparativly, bad move for the last 5 years. Image related:
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All the concern about replicating the German Dax while it was one the lowest performing sectors.

Emerging Markets did better.
Developed Euro stocks did better
US + Canadian stocks did way better
and I even checked for Japanese stocks - they as well did better.

The FTSE all world is just the average market performance for worldwide stocks. And it two was way better than the DAX. For someone claiming that it is easy to throw out the bad stocks, you picked one hell of a bad market segment to invest in.

I don't want to be that harsh, but beating the index after costs is really a hard deal. And most investors are better suited to start saving into a broad and cheap index fund or ETF and to follow a stubborn buy & hold approach.
Claiming to beat the index usually feeds into the overconfidence bias we humans tend to have and the index usually returns at the statisical winner as soon as transparacy is available.
 
For someone claiming that it is easy to throw out the bad stocks, you picked one hell of a bad market segment to invest in.
I didnt pick the german market because i hoped it will have the ebst returns, i picked it because i have the best understanding of the situation in germany and because germany is one of the more stable countries. Downside risk is a much bigger issue than upside potential.


Moreover, the bad stocks and the bad outlook of them is already priced in. They are relatively cheap and usually only represent a fraction of the index.
beeing priced in is worth nothing to me. that only means its cheaper to gamble with the stock. the stocks i kicked out are about 8% of the index, thats alot of potential. i was also never wrong with any stock i kicked out, they all performed below average.

So having some money flow into them is usually not that much of an issue and there is always the chance that some of these companies are able to have a comback, which comes with unusual high rewards for the investor. Always remember that Apple was once close to bankruptcy and see where they are now.
thats why i watch the bad stocks closely while almost ignoring the good ones.

Claiming to beat the index usually feeds into the overconfidence bias we humans tend to have and the index usually returns at the statisical winner as soon as transparacy is available.
Yes! thats why the mindset is so important. i dont try to pick the best stocks, i pick the rotten ones and most of them are so clearly rotten that everybody can do it.

Most people fail because they try to pick the best stocks.
 
Yes! thats why the mindset is so important. i dont try to pick the best stocks, i pick the rotten ones and most of them are so clearly rotten that everybody can do it.

That sounds a lot like Brownfield Investments in The Big Short movie. Their basis was that people don't like to think about bad outcomes so they underestimate bad company risk. Their strategy was to short those stocks and yours is to weed them out, but both reply not on picking winners but picking losers.
 
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There obiously is currency risk involved in an international stock portfolio, which by the way, is a risk and a chance. But you still have currency risk even with "only" Euro stocks. I make an example with Apple and the US-Dollar:

Apple is selling it's goods and services in around 150 countries and therefore in a few dozent different currencies. The same goes for the expenses of the company. The US-Dollar is probably the most important currency but it surely not an alone decisive factor. All the other currencies play a role as well.

This is the same for most of the big companies. More so for the blue chips stocks like they are within the DAX Index. Not one of these companies is doing business in solely one currency and nobody can calculate all those different currency dependancies with reasonable effort. Volkswagen is selling it's cars in China for the Yuan, in the United Kingdom for the Pound and so on. Only because the currencies are traded into Euros at some point, doesn't mean that there is no currency risk for the investor involved.
Not to mention that the currency markets are one of the most efficient markets that exist.

And then we come back to the Index Fund argument. I am pretty sure that "diversification" is somewhere in the investment 101 rules. So to spread your money/assets over different sectors, countries, currencies, assets and so on. And that's why I have to disagree hard on the DAX Index example. The strong point of the index fund is it's ability to have a ridiclious broad diversification while maintaining rock bottom fees.

A 30 or now 40 component index is just an utter waste of the diversification benefit of the index fund. An all world index etf contains more than 3.500 stocks. To somewhat replicate the DAX is feasible. Do somewhat replicate an "All World ETF" is utterly impossible, unless you are somewhere in the Fortune 400 list.

Moreover, the bad stocks and the bad outlook of them is already priced in. They are relatively cheap and usually only represent a fraction of the index. So having some money flow into them is usually not that much of an issue and there is always the chance that some of these companies are able to have a comback, which comes with unusual high rewards for the investor. Always remember that Apple was once close to bankruptcy and see where they are now.

Sure you can put most of your money into companies from Germany. But when it comes to returns it was a, comparativly, bad move for the last 5 years. Image related:
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All the concern about replicating the German Dax while it was one the lowest performing sectors.

Emerging Markets did better.
Developed Euro stocks did better
US + Canadian stocks did way better
and I even checked for Japanese stocks - they as well did better.

The FTSE all world is just the average market performance for worldwide stocks. And it two was way better than the DAX. For someone claiming that it is easy to throw out the bad stocks, you picked one hell of a bad market segment to invest in.

I don't want to be that harsh, but beating the index after costs is really a hard deal. And most investors are better suited to start saving into a broad and cheap index fund or ETF and to follow a stubborn buy & hold approach.
Claiming to beat the index usually feeds into the overconfidence bias we humans tend to have and the index usually returns at the statisical winner as soon as transparacy is available.

You can beat the index but it takes a lot of work and can come with high turnover. Alternatively you can use leverage, but doing that is costly and either extremely risky and/or needs significant amounts of collateral, which would be locked up and on the sidelines during. Hence my reply: fees and costs.
 
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You can beat the index but it takes a lot of work and can come with high turnover. Alternatively you can use leverage, but doing that is costly and either extremely risky and/or needs significant amounts of collateral, which would be locked up and on the sidelines during. Hence my reply: fees and costs.
Sure you can. But the chances are below 50 percent. An index is the average return of a given stock segment. Average means that each "unit of money" performed on average for 5 %, just as an example. If you outperform the index by 2 %. That above average performance must be shared in a negative sense among the other market participants. In the easiest example someone would have to make only 3 %. Otherwise the average wouldn't work out.

And this is before costs. You have transaction costs, you have the spread and so on. So beating the index will always be a <50% chance. That's a mathematical certainly. Of course the index is a bit of a high reach, since itself has no costs at all. You would have to compare your performance to an index fund that has it's small share of fees as well. So it becomes a bit easier.

Now one of the missing aspects is of course your time and how much your time is worth. The "lot of work" can easily translate into a huge chunk of "cost" depending on how high you evaluate your own time and how that time investment is in relation to the amount of your assets. If you could get 1 % additional performance on an annual basis for 10 hours research a month - that's a sweet deal if you have a 1000 k portfolio. With 20 k, not so much.

If you have fun with it and see it as a hobby, that is fine. But I generally tend into the direction that I enjoy other activates in life a bit more.
 
I have no way to back this belief up in any mathematical or scientific way. But the historian in me, which is my training says to me China is about to do everything it can to cause as much damage as possible to the global economy.

Their time is now. The Throne of the Empire (America) is in the hands of an invalid. Their traditional enemies are busy squabbling amongst themselves and the financial services companies of the west have foolishly trusted their reserves and manufacturing to China.

The stage is set for the Chinese Communist Party to pull the rug out from under the imperialists and their so called "global economy".
 
Sure you can. But the chances are below 50 percent. An index is the average return of a given stock segment. Average means that each "unit of money" performed on average for 5 %, just as an example. If you outperform the index by 2 %. That above average performance must be shared in a negative sense among the other market participants. In the easiest example someone would have to make only 3 %. Otherwise the average wouldn't work out.

And this is before costs. You have transaction costs, you have the spread and so on. So beating the index will always be a <50% chance. That's a mathematical certainly. Of course the index is a bit of a high reach, since itself has no costs at all. You would have to compare your performance to an index fund that has it's small share of fees as well. So it becomes a bit easier.

Now one of the missing aspects is of course your time and how much your time is worth. The "lot of work" can easily translate into a huge chunk of "cost" depending on how high you evaluate your own time and how that time investment is in relation to the amount of your assets. If you could get 1 % additional performance on an annual basis for 10 hours research a month - that's a sweet deal if you have a 1000 k portfolio. With 20 k, not so much.

If you have fun with it and see it as a hobby, that is fine. But I generally tend into the direction that I enjoy other activates in life a bit more.

Friend, thank you for your wise words. For your information: I manage money for a living. Maybe take a look at my post history if things like these interest you.
 
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I have no way to back this belief up in any mathematical or scientific way. But the historian in me, which is my training says to me China is about to do everything it can to cause as much damage as possible to the global economy.
You don't need any sort of historical training to realize this, just look at how China used a lab accident to spread a disease all over the world.
 
The stage is set for the Chinese Communist Party to pull the rug out from under the imperialists and their so called "global economy".
Why exactly would they want to do this, when they've built their entire economy on selling chinesium garbage to the world and suckering in foreign investors to chase imaginary returns? I don't think there are any raging ideologues in the CCP willing to give up money for nothing from the white devils, in the name of communist purity.

You don't need any sort of historical training to realize this, just look at how China used a lab accident to spread a disease all over the world.
Funny how that ended up with a bunch of people stuck indoors, unable to use public accommodations and with stimulus checks burning a hole in their pocket. Better buy more Chinese goods to furnish your lockdown pod!
China wants your dollars.
 
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Why exactly would they want to do this, when they've built their entire economy on selling chinesium garbage to the world and suckering in foreign investors to chase imaginary returns? I don't think there are any raging ideologues in the CCP willing to give up money for nothing from the white devils, in the name of communist purity.
They want to transition away from that model, and have been trying for years. More broadly though if they do have an economic crash they have every incentive to insure everyone else does as well.
 
Why exactly would they want to do this, when they've built their entire economy on selling chinesium garbage to the world and suckering in foreign investors to chase imaginary returns? I don't think there are any raging ideologues in the CCP willing to give up money for nothing from the white devils, in the name of communist purity.


Funny how that ended up with a bunch of people stuck indoors, unable to use public accommodations and with stimulus checks burning a hole in their pocket. Better buy more Chinese goods to furnish your lockdown pod!
China wants your dollars.
You're still assuming China wants to be the best at capitalism, they don't, they wanna fuck up capitalists and they're baiting retards into moving infraestructure into their honeytrap so then they can shut it down and starve you. Money is worthless to them, they want to burn it and use your matches to do it.
 
They want to transition away from that model, and have been trying for years.
Money is worthless to them
I'm going to need some convincing on that point. What evidence do we have that China is trying to essentially move back to autarky, let alone that they feel it's within reach in the foreseeable future?
 
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