Cyberpunk 2077 Grieving Thread

double post but
You're forgetting the tranny bartender and her tranny mobile. I mean the tranny mobile is fun because it can drive over cars but still...
i didnt even realize claire was trans until that was brought up as i literally thought she was a women for this entire game
 
double post but

i didnt even realize claire was trans until that was brought up as i literally thought she was a women for this entire game
The only in-game info is that her truck has the trans flag on the back, and at one point mentions her late husband was very understanding during her transition as kind of an off-hand comment. It's never really focused on.

Edit: Her truck is slow, handles like shit, but can literally drive over other cars. Trans pride flag or not, it's kind of fun.
 
  • Horrifying
Reactions: SSj_Ness (Yiffed)
The only in-game info is that her truck has the trans flag on the back, and at one point mentions her late husband was very understanding during her transition as kind of an off-hand comment. It's never really focused on.

Edit: Her truck is slow, handles like shit, but can literally drive over other cars. Trans pride flag or not, it's kind of fun.
People got so angry with the mod that removed the decal.

Funniest thing was it as just slipping in code that CDPR made for a region that banned the flag.
 
Do they poo in terlets?
Considering they're quasi-Persian instead of Indian, chances are good. Of course its the middle ages so there's no toilets, just chamber pots, latrines, and flowing bodies of water, but despite the lack of loos to put the poo in somehow the Northern Kingdoms avoid street shitting.
i didnt even realize claire was trans until that was brought up as i literally thought she was a women for this entire game
Even in 2020 you can transition well enough to pass flawlessly. Not really a shocker when Chromebook 2 has a wide list of furry options for characters. Personally I'm fond of the playboy-style bunny girl they've got as a Rockergirl as art, as well as the somewhat-furry catgirl PlayBeing that totally isn't for "domestic service", nope.

(God damn it CDPR, was there a reason you couldn't have given us the option for pointy elf ears in the character creator?)
 
I don't think I got to the top of the pedo BD quests. I know there were the father/son pair that edited them, and there was a Tyger claw who I didn't notice in a side gig that I brutally murdered (same mission you get the legendary nekomata crafting blueprints). Is there another stage?
I usually play a "pacifist V" (I'm still frying their brains with viruses/setting them on fire/giving them AIDS/bashing their brains with a monkey wrench but I guess they can just walk it off) but I turn off the "no kill" mod for some guys. The father-son duo I threw a sticky grenade on both of them.

sale of pedophilic rape/murder BD's involving young boys and the pervert at the top is a stereotypical flaming gay twink danger hair with a green goatee. Basically every dialogue option involves punching him and naturally you can murder him.

Correct me if I'm wrong but that's the Evelyn Parker quest, when you go to doc fingers to get information where Evelyn was taken after the VooDoo Boys fried her brain in Clouds. You can beat the everloving shit out of him but he will refuse to give you cyberware afterwards and you miss out on the BIS resistances cyberware and the best legs cyberware (the thrusters where you can hover and fly around and move in mid air).

For roleplay reasons I like to imagine the 100K price tag comes 50K for the ware and the operation and 50K to hire a squad of mercenaries into the operation room so that the doc doesn't do anything funny while V is under anesthesia.

I was also looking at this article regarding the story and it hit the spot: the story is great and I almost never skipe dialogue when I replay (I have rerolled more characters) but it does feel like the whole story is one single branch of a full rpg. Because of our decision we took the Johny Silverhand branch.

https://www.shamusyoung.com/twentysidedtale/?p=51795

tl;dr - if this were an rpg with Cage like ambitions (every choice has a consequence) then there should be 2 very separate games in the game: one where the heist was a success and one where the heist failed. Everything should revolve around those 2 situations. The article makes "what if" scenarios that are 100% consisten with the current story and would have easily worked without giant leaps of faith or changing the characters too much.

Going top to bottom the story of CP2077 should have some things that never change regardless of what V does:
  1. Yorinobu always kills Saburo, Chip or no Chip
  2. Militech always escalates things with Arasaka
  3. Alt always will pick a fight with Arasaka from beyond the black wall
  4. The AI's win in the end
From there you can have your own personal V story with the theme of saving yourself but it is always the backdrop to events you can't control.

Finally I can't stop thinking about the scenario where the heist is fucked but Jackie kept the shard in his head. Then the whole game takes a new meaning since what drives you is to save your friend. Have more quests the two of you all the while Keanu is gnawing away at Jackie's brain. Have the drama where V and Jackie drift appart because he is literally osing himself. In other words, make a side game where Silverhand's role is replaced with Jackie.
 
Last edited:
I usually play a "pacifist V" (I'm still frying their brains with viruses/setting them on fire/giving them AIDS/bashing their brains with a monkey wrench but I guess they can just walk it off) but I turn off the "no kill" mod for some guys. The father-son duo I threw a sticky grenade on both of them.

sale of pedophilic rape/murder BD's involving young boys and the pervert at the top is a stereotypical flaming gay twink danger hair with a green goatee. Basically every dialogue option involves punching him and naturally you can murder him.

Correct me if I'm wrong but that's the Evelyn Parker quest, when you go to doc fingers to get information where Evelyn was taken after the VooDoo Boys fried her brain in Clouds. You can beat the everloving shit out of him but he will refuse to give you cyberware afterwards and you miss out on the BIS resistances cyberware and the best legs cyberware (the thrusters where you can hover and fly around and move in mid air).

For roleplay reasons I like to imagine the 100K price tag comes 50K for the ware and the operation and 50K to hire a squad of mercenaries into the operation room so that the doc doesn't do anything funny while V is under anesthesia.

I was also looking at this article regarding the story and it hit the spot: the story is great and I almost never skipe dialogue when I replay (I have rerolled more characters) but it does feel like the whole story is one single branch of a full rpg. Because of our decision we took the Johny Silverhand branch.

https://www.shamusyoung.com/twentysidedtale/?p=51795

tl;dr - if this were an rpg with Cage like ambitions (every choice has a consequence) then there should be 2 very separate games in the game: one where the heist was a success and one where the heist failed. Everything should revolve around those 2 situations. The article makes "what if" scenarios that are 100% consisten with the current story and would have easily worked without giant leaps of faith or changing the characters too much.

Going top to bottom the story of CP2077 should have some things that never change regardless of what V does:
  1. Yorinobu always kills Saburo, Chip or no Chip
  2. Militech always escalates things with Arasaka
  3. Alt always will pick a fight with Arasaka from beyond the black wall
  4. The AI's win in the end
From there you can have your own personal V story with the theme of saving yourself but it is always the backdrop to events you can't control.

Finally I can't stop thinking about the scenario where the heist is fucked but Jackie kept the shard in his head. Then the whole game takes a new meaning since what drives you is to save your friend. Have more quests the two of you all the while Keanu is gnawing away at Jackie's brain. Have the drama where V and Jackie drift appart because he is literally osing himself. In other words, make a side game where Silverhand's role is replaced with Jackie.
Honestly if you want to replace Silverhand could just have the chip blank and Jackie gets copied to it before he dies. For most of the main quest won't really need to change anything. And the Flashbacks could go over what happened during the Fast forward in the game or even what other people talked about at his Vigil. Would have to change Kerry's quest a bit and add some more to Rogues to build "Trust" with her. Would be interesting to see the interactions with Mama Welles and Misty/Viktor with Jackie on the chip. Also the ending where V would sacrifice themselves for Jackie would be more believable over Silverhand and interesting.
 
  • Like
Reactions: TopTierHealer
That shit pisses me off. Either make a stand or don't.
I usually play a "pacifist V" (I'm still frying their brains with viruses/setting them on fire/giving them AIDS/bashing their brains with a monkey wrench but I guess they can just walk it off) but I turn off the "no kill" mod for some guys. The father-son duo I threw a sticky grenade on both of them.

sale of pedophilic rape/murder BD's involving young boys and the pervert at the top is a stereotypical flaming gay twink danger hair with a green goatee. Basically every dialogue option involves punching him and naturally you can murder him.

Correct me if I'm wrong but that's the Evelyn Parker quest, when you go to doc fingers to get information where Evelyn was taken after the VooDoo Boys fried her brain in Clouds. You can beat the everloving shit out of him but he will refuse to give you cyberware afterwards and you miss out on the BIS resistances cyberware and the best legs cyberware (the thrusters where you can hover and fly around and move in mid air).

For roleplay reasons I like to imagine the 100K price tag comes 50K for the ware and the operation and 50K to hire a squad of mercenaries into the operation room so that the doc doesn't do anything funny while V is under anesthesia.

I was also looking at this article regarding the story and it hit the spot: the story is great and I almost never skipe dialogue when I replay (I have rerolled more characters) but it does feel like the whole story is one single branch of a full rpg. Because of our decision we took the Johny Silverhand branch.

https://www.shamusyoung.com/twentysidedtale/?p=51795

tl;dr - if this were an rpg with Cage like ambitions (every choice has a consequence) then there should be 2 very separate games in the game: one where the heist was a success and one where the heist failed. Everything should revolve around those 2 situations. The article makes "what if" scenarios that are 100% consisten with the current story and would have easily worked without giant leaps of faith or changing the characters too much.

Going top to bottom the story of CP2077 should have some things that never change regardless of what V does:
  1. Yorinobu always kills Saburo, Chip or no Chip
  2. Militech always escalates things with Arasaka
  3. Alt always will pick a fight with Arasaka from beyond the black wall
  4. The AI's win in the end
From there you can have your own personal V story with the theme of saving yourself but it is always the backdrop to events you can't control.

Finally I can't stop thinking about the scenario where the heist is fucked but Jackie kept the shard in his head. Then the whole game takes a new meaning since what drives you is to save your friend. Have more quests the two of you all the while Keanu is gnawing away at Jackie's brain. Have the drama where V and Jackie drift appart because he is literally osing himself. In other words, make a side game where Silverhand's role is replaced with Jackie.
I never liked the hover legs tbh. Too slow for me. But yeah, the father/son team? I don't even dignify them with a discussion. I grab the BD, drop a couple grenades, then leave
 
Instead of making Silverhand look and sound like wholesome big chungus reevarino they should have made him look like David Bowie like in the source books.

I'd play the fuck out of a game where my conscience is a sarcastic amoral David Bowie.
I would have preferred that too. Keanu is just a meme addition in the game because of all the cyberpunk stuff he’s been in.

Have you seen Johnny Mnemonic? I just watched it a while ago and Reeves somehow tries to emote with this stoned-faced look and it’s pretty bad.
 
I never liked the hover legs tbh. Too slow for me. But yeah, the father/son team? I don't even dignify them with a discussion. I grab the BD, drop a couple grenades, then leave
I give the old man a shotgun haircut and leave the kid sobbing over his father's corpse. Not a fan of child killing, even scum like him, and besides, he at least seems to regret what he's done enough to know who he's edited. Maybe he'll learn something by seeing someone close to him die instead of just through BD's.
 
I would have preferred that too. Keanu is just a meme addition in the game because of all the cyberpunk stuff he’s been in.

Have you seen Johnny Mnemonic? I just watched it a while ago and Reeves somehow tries to emote with this stoned-faced look and it’s pretty bad.
Reeves isn't a bad guy, but he is almost legendarily bad at trying to emote.

The remake of The Day The Earth Stood Still, and the John Wick series, both actually use this to their advantage (since in the former, he's blatantly an alien, and the latter he's an emotionally damaged assassin). But the boy just cannot project any kind of convincing emotional behavior.
 
He at least could manage enthusiasm and a shit-eating grin in Bill and Ted, but somehow he lost that particular ability as he got older.
 
So, to necro this thread how is the fabled 1.5 and next gen upgrade going to go down? My honest pessimistic guess is nothing spectacular and just bug fixes with the same aggressively barebones AI and terrible police system that triggers the very moment a stray bullet ragdolls an idle civilian.

I really don’t know how you could possibly improve any forms of AI in the game because the traffic seems to run on “railroad” AI meaning they have default hard coded paths that never deviate from a strict pathway and their physics and speed seem exclusively tied to a rigid default setting. How you could possibly improve it is beyond me, I honestly think that’s a permanently broken feature. The pedestrian AI could be salvaged as they just seem to be missing lines of code for example when there’s gunshots within a few feet they crouch down scared out of nowhere. Otherwise, I’m expecting nothing.
 
I'm not expecting or asking for a lot, but increasing skill experience would be nice. I've never gotten past level 10 or 11 in any skill except crafting and athletics (and only athletics because of the Berserk OS exploit). How does my netrunner who does nothing but uses breach protocol and quickhacks with the occasional finishing shot get to level 50 but doesn't have maxed breach protocol or quickhack skills?
 
Reeves isn't a bad guy, but he is almost legendarily bad at trying to emote.

The remake of The Day The Earth Stood Still, and the John Wick series, both actually use this to their advantage (since in the former, he's blatantly an alien, and the latter he's an emotionally damaged assassin). But the boy just cannot project any kind of convincing emotional behavior.
Keanu's acting range is limited to that of basically a sports figure making a guest appearance in a movie.
He does brooding fairly well, though, such as in The Gift or Neon Demon.

That said, I hate this faggot appeasing game with all my being and hope CDPR goes up in literal flames.
 
That shit pisses me off. Either make a stand or don't.
I took that advice to heart and started a more stone cold killer V playthrough. Everybody's got to go at some time, am I right?

I got recomendations of Josh Strife Hayes videos and in one of them he is talking about the difference between sandbox and theme park video games. Theme Park games are where you boot the game and have the option to go for Ride A, Ride B, Ride C, etc. Specific content that is self contained. Sandbox games are where you are given all the tools you want and then make your own fun. Cyberpunk falls clearly into this category and I decided to make another playthrough using the only playing style I liked: netrunning and netrunning only.

I made a femV this time, max int, max tech and max cool. Stayed with 3 body and 3 reflex on very hard. I also refrained from getting any cyber implants that were not eyes or brain implants. I also refrained from using guns because 3 body means her wrists would probably snap in half from the recoil alone. Since I'm maxing tech I allowed myself using grenades in case I'm found out to blind my enemies and run to a new cover location. I fucked off from doing the boxing quests (maybe I'll justify it later as Johny influencing her decisions, I don't know if I want to deal with the boxing quests with no body, no gorilla arms, etc).

Those were my rules for having fun and I actualy had fun. The game gave me the tools to enjoy it on it's own and that was what I did so I guess it is a good sandbox.

An example that comes to mind: in the BD editors/child murder quests if you walk around the compound, to the right looking north, without entering there is a door in the building to the right. You need a little tech to open it and then some parkour (without double jump, it's a bitch) and you can bypass the entirety of the area. It's something that I noticed, there's a million different way to enter any compound, steal or murder so props to the level designers for that.

Another example was the gun for hire mission where I have to kill Vic Vega (a Pinkerton type). I loaded up my spells, sat 200 meters from the building, legendary ping to highlight all hackable devices (through walls), the guy was in his office in front of his laptop, hack into the laptop through the walls, I can see him through the camera, change my spells to have sonic shock and suicide, sonic shock him so he's invisible in the network, make him blow his brains out.

One thing I saw in the forums is that people bitch a lt about not being able to run a stealthy netrunner because the moment they try to use a demon on an enemy they launch a trace on them. These people never read that sonic shock exists for that exact purpose, to isolate enemies from the network. The idea is to plan your route ahead of time and the get on murdering. I remove sonic shock from my spell load, cast breach to lower the RAM requirement and buff myself, then hack a camera, load sonic shock, cast ping; ping counts as a debuff so automatically all enemies get loaded with cripple and sonic shock, they are on alert but not combat; since I have so many buffs on me and the cyberdeck that cuts cd's as well as upload time I have turned the single target spell into an aoe. I go one by one so fast their model animation doesn't even notice when they die (insert "you're already dead" meme).

And even being OP as all hell, I still fuck up from time to time if I don't account for enemies seeing me, turrets, cameras, etc. Little details that blow my cover and I'm sniped from 500 meters by a handgun.

tl;dr, I play the game to have fun and I am having fun, the same way I did with Borderlands so many years ago. Is it an unfinished buggy mess that didn't live to the hype? Absolutely!
But in the end, it's still a game I bought on sale after 1 year of patches after the consooomers suffered through the worst of the launch.

Maybe one day I'll do a "Media" V, where I collect all the data shards from all the side quests to put the puzzle together how all the missions are related. Apparently Jotaro was buying his bd slaves from a Korean guy (that you also kill), this Korean boyo had full protection from the police (it is in a datashard in the downtown district), the investigator that confronted the bent cop (he was supplying people that are detained across the border by millitech) she is sent to an insane asylum and you break her out by a quest from the fixer Capitan Reyes. Jotaro was also in bed with the father/son duo that scrolled the BD's - the father/son duo that edited the BD's got footage from Hal Cantos; Hal Cantos is the employer in an SOS gig from regina where you have to save him from a Mox that went crazy when he tried to roll an XBD (from the father son duo) on her. And that's how the Mox put 2 and 2 together and ordered the hit on Jotaro.

And the final nail (pun very much intended), when you finish the quest with the Cruciffixion and walk back through the studio you can hear 2 NPC's talking about the XBD where the preacher's son gets murdered. They were the ones who ordered the hit on the son in the first place, because the preacher worked for that very same studio "4th wall entertainment".
 
That's pretty sweet, I had no idea things were that interconnected.

My quickhack build focused on covert quickhacks. I'm running the arasaka OS. I drop a shitload of daemons with Breach Protocol, drop a Contagion on the group (epic sonic shock keeps me hidden while it spreads) then when it's established I jump out and show myself. Epic Reboot Optics and Weapon Jammer renders them helpless in a few seconds, Hasten the Inevitable and Mass Vulnerability makes them super squishy, epic Short Circuit makes it a one-shot, one-kill scenario. Granted I ate a lot of game overs to get to that point, but now that it's set up, it's absolutely glorious.
 
  • Like
Reactions: TopTierHealer
That's pretty sweet, I had no idea things were that interconnected.
Like you wouldn't believe! I just finished another run and here's another story that gets told entirely through shards:

The boxing quest in Rancho Coronado, where you fight Rhino, is held in a warehouse gym. The owner of the warehouse Gym is Logan Garcia. There is a hitman job to take him out and the employer is the mother of a boy that Logan beat to death in the ring, tossed his body into the bay and when the boy's mother called to know where is her son, Logan told her "I killed him in the ring, tossed his body into the bay and pissed on him because he was a bitch".
Once you kill him there is a gig in Pacifica by Mr. Hands that asks you to steal a shipment of lidocaine from an Animals den. Once you breach the place and take everyone out, if you hack into their PC you can see a list of "to do tasks" which include finding out when Monica Steiner (the boys mother) is leaving town and which of the nomads is helping her escape. Also in Pacifica there is an Assault in Progress mission under a pier where you see Monica Steiner's body. She was trying to escape after avenging her son but the Animal's caught up with her and killed her. Finally, a few meters away there is a Lost and Found blue quest from Nomi, the nomad that was hired to escort Monica out of Night City. Nomi was mortally wounded when the Animals tracked Monica and sat down to rest under an overpass. She called an SOS to a friend of hers but was losing consciousness and couldn't send the coordinates in time. You find Nomi's body and the coordinates to her stash in Night City.

Also, another one that is fairly obvious is the SOS from Regina where you need to save a doctor held captive by Maelstrom. Once you release her, after a while, you can find her hiding under a new identity in a Clinic in Rancho Coronado, next to where the shooting competition is taking place.

Finally, another one I stumbled by accident, the monks that you save from Maelstrom in Watson can be found praying at the feet of the 4 armed statue next to Jig Jig street. You can talk with both of them and ask what do they think about engrams: are they conscious? and if they are, can they re-encarnate?

Edit: There is another SOS gig from regina where you have to save Max Jones, a former media and friend of Regina's. He is holed in his studio full of turrets and landmines. You can easily talk with him and tell him to come with you back to Regina. The reason why there's a price on his head? You find that he has witnesses to some new Millitech/ARasaka/Biotechnica dealings. There is an Assault in Progress in Watson where 3 Tyger Claws are robbing a cornerstore kiosk. In reality they went after the owner of the kiosk because he was talking with Max about going clean with some cover ops he did in the last war for Arasaka. Under an overpass in Watson you see another assault in progress where Arasaka corps wiped out a hobo camp. In one of the hobo's bodies you find a recording that says he was also part of a covert op and will come clean to Max. I don't remember if he was investigating anything on Militech but there is a Gig for Wakako where you have to break into an apaprtment of the client Mr Gutierrez because his wife kicked him out after the divorce and he needs his checkbook back. If you hack into the computer you will find that Mrs Gutierrez was also talking with Max regarding corruption in City Hall (to spite her exhusband). Mr Gutierrez was the mayors aide. I don't remember if there was anything on Biotechnica that involved Max but that's a whole other story.

Edit 2: Biotechnica's story. There is a hit on Diane Koch in corpo plaza (I think it's one of the highest difficulty hit jobs in the game) and more than one assault in progress deals with Biotechnica sending in reinforcements and killing gangs because they got a tip there was a price on Diane's head. The reason why Diane has a bounty has to deal with the fallout of her experiments. She used nomads as guinea pigs and things got out of hand. There are several assault in progress missions where Biotechnica hit squads are killing media people, are killing protestors and in one they have killed a whistleblower for Biotechnica. There is a gig for Wakako Okida where you have to drive a car from a Scav to the Tyger Claws with a "present" inside. This present is the research assistant to Diane Koch. If you kill Diane before doing this mission he will say that nomads are like cocoraches so who cares how many die.

Edit 3: After the death of the mayor the main gangs that are fighting for city hall are 6th street backing Peralez and Valentinos backing Holt.....maybe. It's a clusterfuck because there are multiple factions in each gang where each is trying to outfuck each other in the chaos. there's money laundering, contract hits, people turning on each other...nearly all of Downtown's missions have to deal in some way with the election and this spills over into Rancho Coronado where there are labor protests and scabs (sometimes backed by Valentinos, sometimes by 6th street on behalf of Millitech, sometimes on behalf of Arasaka).
 
Last edited:
1644852117972.jpg
 
Back