Just because you fix a problem doesn't mean it wasn't one in the first place, especially when it's outright an unacceptable one. To give an analogy:
About the only thing I've gathered about 2.0 is that it fixes some the remaining lingering issues since launch (like the police), but the game itself fundamentally hasn't changed, only certain aspects improved, so if the gameplay didn't appeal to you, this probably won't change your mind unless you were on the fence and leaning towards the game in the first place. And if the story didn't appeal to you, this update definitely won' t change your mind.
The gameplay has been completely overhauled. Every single perk in the perk tree has been redone. The perk tree itself has been completely redesigned in totality. Every single gun has been changed in some way. Entirely new cyberware has been added with almost all the existing cyberware being tweaked or changed.
That was three years ago and has no bearing on patch 2.0 and Phantom Liberty, one of which came out like 5 days ago and the other that came out yesterday.
Honestly as a video game for the TTRPG Cyberpunk 2077 did its job decently well. They at the very least did a ton of research and didn’t really retcon any of the established lore, (except for Blackhand not being at Arasaka Tower like he was in the original story, but this was apparently thought of and the point is that Johnny just omitted the guy who did all the actual work so he can remember it his way and fuel his ego.) it was fun seeing callbacks to the TTRPG although I do wish they would’ve had the “Was Hitler a rocker boy?” article from 2010’s rule book hidden somewhere.
Changing things like perk trees and how certain guns perform doesn't change the baseline gameplay or the basic gameplay loop. Its still fundamentally the same game, its just that certain systems that didn't function well, or didn't function at all, now do work. Like for instance, the police now function essentially like they function in GTA, but you are unlikely to see that unless you go out of your way to do things like attack civilians. Its improved and that's good, but the game is still fundamentally the same. Perks have been redone and the game now feels better as an RPG, but that doesn't change how the game still plays. Cyberware doesn't make the open world not a barren colossal waste of time.
And as already been said, nobody is taking away from patch 2.0 and what it does (or doesn't do). That's still no reason to downplay how bad the launch was.
It did not function to the point where Sony was offering refunds and took it off the store. You can argue the writing is better but how is the world "better realised" if it's lifeless?
Gamers this generation genuinely deserve to shafted for the rest of their lives. It's psychotic how much shit the zoomer generation is willing to take, talking about goyslop in a game about corpos but are ok to take corpo cock up the ass.
I have the game, nigger. I have it on PC, nigger. It was a somewhat enjoyable looter shooter with an interesting enough plot that, aside from a handful of select side quests, was filled with ubisoft tier side quests, a dogshit perk system with perks that did not work, terrible driving mechanics, terrible upgrade system, buggy to the point where your game could be bricked. But the gulf between what was promised, what was shown and the piece of shit they released is absolutely unacceptable.
Nobody is downplaying the launch though? People admit it was shitty, I just also like to laugh at people retarded enough to think the game was going to work at all on last gen consoles.
This has been the MO already for years before and after Cyberpunk.
My experience with the tabletop was pretty limited but I went in skeptical and came out surprisingly invested in the universe as a whole.
This isn't the good point you think it is. Sony offered refunds because they were effectively the storefront, this isn't exceptional as literally any other storefront would do this. That's like saying "Steam is offering refunds on Cyberpunk 2077!" Well Steam offers refunds on anything for just about any reason. Secondly, the only reason Sony took it off the store was a PR play. They knew they were going to get it again for the PS5 and we know they don't really give a shit about the players. How do we know this? Because in 2016 they had a game that released in a worse state to possibly even more hype: No Man's Sky.
If you had a system that met the requirements to play the game, it was about the same quality as Skyrim was on release, and don't give me that "Gamers this generation" bullshit. I've been playing games long enough to know the only thing that's really changed since the Xbox 360 and the prevalence of games getting patched is that faggots started getting dopamine hits from sperging out in the internet. Read back a couple of pages and see the faggot completely assmad and rage induced about Cyberpunk even though he's never even played it.
Also wasn't talking about you faggot. Kindly exercise your second amendment right to swallow lead.
Changing the way the game plays doesn't change how the gameplays. Good to know.
The reason to downplay it, is because a launch from three years ago and all the drama that used to exist doesn't have anything to do with the content that came out this week. If I'm trying to talk about how Netrunning changed in 2.0 and get other people's thoughts, it doesn't help to have faggots screaming "REEE THE GAME WAS BAD THREE YEARS AGO! REEE CDPR LIED AND PEOPLE DIED!" over and over again.
There is nothing retarded about expecting a product to work as advertised. There is no goddamn reason that game should have been unplayable at launch. It was so bad that Sony had to pull it from sale and issue refunds. I don't even think that has ever happened before. As a company, CD Projeckt has a responsibility to release a working product and they completely failed to do this. They deserve to be held accountable and raked over the coals for that. The fact that these were last gen consoles is irrelevant. You guys act like you've never heard of cross-gen releases. Hell, MOST OF THE PS5's LIBRARY IS CROSS-GEN RELEASES. And they all work just as well on Playstation 4 as they do on Playstation 5. Stop trying to act like the shitty launch of this game on PS4 was somehow the fault of the players for expecting a working product. That's just a fucked mentality.
Look, there are some fundamental aspects of the game that will never be changed. The gunplay is still basically the same. The missions are the same, the story is the same, the open world is the same, and the gameplay loop is the same. These things haven't been changed and won't be changed.
The only reason the 2.0 update is even a thing is because that launch was so shitty. We wouldn't even be here at this juncture if the game launched in a finished state. Fact is, even with the 2.0 update, the game is what is. And the game will never fully live down its launch.
Nigger what the fuck do you want them to change with the gunplay? You point the gun, you pull the trigger, bullets happen and shit dies. How the fuck, short of making it a CoD style FPS and scrapping the entirety of the RPG mechanics do you actually change gunplay?
The game was announced years before next gen consoles were even announced. You're literally downplaying the "shitty" launch by expecting the last gen versions to be crap.
Oh shit, this guy's been playing games for a LONG time, ever since the 360 generation, the generation that gave us horse armour.
You are an actual fucking retard. The patches were released literally because the game was broken and unfinished on release.
The open world is not fine. The massive branching storyline barely exists, the effects of the missions you take are not seen in-game, the life paths make almost no difference aside from throwaway dialogue, the world is lifeless and barely interactive, etc.
Do you really not understand that there is a massive difference in how guns handle and feel between games? Even within the FPS genre, there are massive differences between different games. Some games have better handling guns than others. Come on man, this isn't hard.
If you think that then clearly you're just a fan cuck who wants to like the game and fellate it ad nauseum. It could do no wrong your eyes, so it doesn't matter if 2.0 was massive flop that didn't change anything about the game. You already like the game anyway, so why would it matter to you? You aren't going to find too many people fellating the game here with you, so you might as well stop wasting your time.
I'm not downplaying it I'm saying if you are so monumentally retarded that you fell for their marketing then you deserved to get a broken game for being a stock blind moron.
I sure would love to talk about the game if there weren't crying retards in this thread reeing over shit that happened several years ago that doesn't apply to the current state of the game. You were a dip shit who fell for deceptive marketing, we get it, cry me a fucking river then build a bridge and get over it pussy.
The game is fine as an opinion equals being a fan cuck? Why are you so fucking bent out of shape about a commonly accepted opinion regarding a game that had the vast majority of its major issues fixed in patches? It launching broken doesn't change the fact that the game is, like it or not, pretty much 'fine' now.
The point is that the guy clearly has no issues with the game, even before it was patched. This has nothing to do with me. He basically said as much himself. Everything is fine to him. If the game is fine to you, whatever. But if you want to white knight for it in this thread, you're not going to find a lot people putting up with it, and you should expect pushback. If you can't take that, go somewhere else.
"Can't handle our endless jaded cynicism? Heh, better get out of here kiddo."
Pick up on the culture of the thread man. Its literally called the "Cyberpunk 2077 GRIEVING thread". We've been shitting on this game pretty much since it launched. Read the room.
The only complaints that have been completely addressed were how utterly broken the game was and how trash the cops were. Everything else people complained about (the story, the lifeless open world, the lack of real decisions and branching paths, etc.) have pretty much remained the same. Guns are apparently a mixed bag, because of course weapon balancing would be controversial. The perk system and cyberware are definite upgrades, but they only bring the game closer to what was promised. They don't erase the fact that the game failed to initially meet expectations or necessarily come close to meeting those expectations. Were they welcome improvements? Yes. But that doesn't mean all the perceived problems of the games were fixed.
Game worked fine for me. I only had graphical issues. I'm not gonna sit here and rage out on behalf of people who's experience I didn't have. Equally so because no one I actually know had these issues.
"Muh Thread Culture"
Also, this take is so fucking retarded it beggars belief. You don't need to completely delete the game and restart from scratch for it to be completely different now from when it launched.
Clearly missed the context, not surprising since you're a fucking moron. The first console I ever owned was an N64, the context of my post was that in terms of release quality, not a whole lot has changed since the 360 generation and the ability to patch things in. Aside from the fact that if a game comes out in a bad state now, we actually have a greater than zero chance that it'll actually get good, which is what Cyberpunk did, no matter how much faggots like you bitch and whine about it.
