DC Comics Multimedia General - A crisis of infinite fuck ups

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StevieLasVegas said:
That was my impression. One of my coworkers is still a big Superman fan, and he felt the series was the best thing they've done from a live action perspective in years outside of Henry Cavill's casting itself.
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Superman & Lois is one of the most traditional, by-the-book, non-updated-for-modern-audiences, Supermanly depictions of Superman in all of moving pictures: live action or animated, film or television. It borrows a lot from Man of Steel in the way of cinematography, tone, and so on, but with Superman himself it's a 180. You can't say "they hate/don't get the character" for this one. He's nerdy Santa Claus except he punches meteors. Not a bad show, maybe a little CW-ish, but not as much as you'd think. Shame it's going, and I'm like a season and a half behind but I bet it's not even getting a proper ending. Getting killed by WB execs is something of an endorsement, so I think I'll get back to watching it regardless.
 
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Battlefield2142EU said:
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My favorite rumor about DC after the flash and blue beetle bomb at the box office. WB badly wanting to get Christian Bale back. He has already said he won't return as Batman unless he gets to work with Christopher Nolan again. I personally wouldn't be shocked if WB tries to get them both for a dark knight 4 if James Gunn Superman reboot flops. Especially after screwing over Michael Keaton and Tim Burton Batman fans.
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You do realize they would essentially be snubbing the latest Batman movie, director, and Pattinson if they decided to pass the buck back to Nolan and Bale over them that right? I get WB isn't playing with a full deck, but I doubt even they would be that stupid to do this.
 
Battlefield2142EU said:
They already fucked over Micheal Keaton and Tim Burton Batman fans with the flash.
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How so? The Flash movie was alright. Not high art or anything but competently done with good emotional beats. And the Keaton Batman parts seemed true to the original character. A bit of a cheek to use it to hook in fans to an otherwise so-so movie but both Keaton's Batman and Superwoman were pretty well done, I thought.
 
TVB said:
Almost everything about The Flash was bad
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So we disagree on that. Now what about Keaton's Batman in the movie did you find untrue to the Burton version of the character? Seemed accurate to me - obviously the same actor, the same Wayne Manor, the car, etc. And the new stuff (including the Batkite) was in keeping with the Burton style of gadgets he used in the original movies. I don't think the movie did fans of the Keaton batman dirty.
 
Overly Serious said:
So we disagree on that. Now what about Keaton's Batman in the movie did you find untrue to the Burton version of the character? Seemed accurate to me - obviously the same actor, the same Wayne Manor, the car, etc. And the new stuff (including the Batkite) was in keeping with the Burton style of gadgets he used in the original movies. I don't think the movie did fans of the Keaton batman dirty.
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Just the entirety of The Flash is garbage
 
I feel like DC at least movies wise should be looking more towards doing shit like Joker. Comics wise theyre fucked, they have to come up with original shit but movies wise they could do capeshit which is in a different format and is a lot more grounded. I really want to see a movie where Supermans life is explained like a history documentary, like forrest gump or more specifically curious case of benjamin button. I would really really like to see that, when Im not working on a script for that myself. Theres this great channel on youtube which does something like that, lays out an alt history for DC characters from the late 1890s to the 1940s, Killer Croc was a circus performer with a genetic disease, Batman fought in WWI, Deathstroke was hunted by the Pinkertons and led to the formation of the FBI, shit like that.

https://www.youtube.com/@TheBatfeed/videos

Found him
 
Calandrino said:
Superman & Lois is one of the most traditional, by-the-book, non-updated-for-modern-audiences, Supermanly depictions of Superman in all of moving pictures: live action or animated, film or television. It borrows a lot from Man of Steel in the way of cinematography, tone, and so on, but with Superman himself it's a 180. You can't say "they hate/don't get the character" for this one. He's nerdy Santa Claus except he punches meteors. Not a bad show, maybe a little CW-ish, but not as much as you'd think. Shame it's going, and I'm like a season and a half behind but I bet it's not even getting a proper ending. Getting killed by WB execs is something of an endorsement, so I think I'll get back to watching it regardless.
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I thought it was playing with one of the kids being gay or some shit? And isn't it tied to Supergirl where Lois joked about the wage gap? As if Lois Lane would ever accept getting paid less than her male peers?

Sorry, it was poisoned fruit for me with its ties to Supergirl and involvement of the DEI obsessed Warner Bro crew. I confess some of it is due to my affection for the genuinely strong, independent versions of Lois who was still allowed to be that way but also very much like real women portrayed by Terri Hatcher, Erica durance, and Kidder.

Its telling that the comparatively trad Smallville lasted ten years.

Overly Serious said:
So we disagree on that. Now what about Keaton's Batman in the movie did you find untrue to the Burton version of the character? Seemed accurate to me - obviously the same actor, the same Wayne Manor, the car, etc. And the new stuff (including the Batkite) was in keeping with the Burton style of gadgets he used in the original movies. I don't think the movie did fans of the Keaton batman dirty.
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I don't know. I didn't like it. I either wanted Batman three or leave him the hell out of it. He felt like a prop piece without the things that made me like the Burton Batman. It wasn't consistently gothic, it didn't bring anything new musically or design wise (the bat kite was I thought already in returns?).

An effective Key jangle. I don't hate it, I just disagree it was 'good'. It was the same way I feel about poor Chris Reeves and Helen Slater. There's nothing objectionable about them there, other than taking something wholly unconnected to your movie and putting it there to try to make people watching feel good without the actual work doing that.

It's an egregious waste. You could have had an awesome Batman 3 with Keaton either by Burton and Elfman or someone following there style. You could have had an awesome Supergirl movie. The actress was solid, what little room she had. I even liked her costume better than Cavils abomination.
 
Overly Serious said:
So we disagree on that. Now what about Keaton's Batman in the movie did you find untrue to the Burton version of the character? Seemed accurate to me - obviously the same actor, the same Wayne Manor, the car, etc. And the new stuff (including the Batkite) was in keeping with the Burton style of gadgets he used in the original movies. I don't think the movie did fans of the Keaton batman dirty.
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Burton's Batman sucked, those movies were important for showing potential for changing the tone of Batman, but they were terrible depictions.

I can't decided if Keaton phoned it in or he was given so little to work with he couldn't give a good performance.

Ezra Miller is like the opposite of Tom Hardy in Venom. Tim Hardy acting against himself has amazing charisma that pulls a great performance out of a terrible story. Ezra had negative charisma with himself and drags the movie down worse when he's on screen twice.

The only good performance was Supergirl who definitely didn't have anything to work with but still had chops to give something of note.
 
Polyboros2 said:
Burton's Batman sucked, those movies were important for showing potential for changing the tone of Batman, but they were terrible depictions.
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I'd say Batman TAS did a way better job with the dark and gritty tone of the Batman lore than Tim Burton's duology of movies
 
Overly Serious said:
So we disagree on that. Now what about Keaton's Batman in the movie did you find untrue to the Burton version of the character? Seemed accurate to me - obviously the same actor, the same Wayne Manor, the car, etc. And the new stuff (including the Batkite) was in keeping with the Burton style of gadgets he used in the original movies. I don't think the movie did fans of the Keaton batman dirty.
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The issue with Keaton in the Flash is that Michael Keaton's performance was as phoned in as he would if he were performing at a children's birthday party. That and there were too many shots of him in the day time taking down giant aliens and stuff which feels unlike his Batman. Combined with the blatant obvious fact that the only reason Keaton was in The Flash was because it was the one thing the Director wanted to do, rather than make a Flash film. The Director went on record soying out over the Batman/Superman cameos than anything relating to the Flash, and these cameos added nothing.

Polyboros2 said:
Burton's Batman sucked, those movies were important for showing potential for changing the tone of Batman, but they were terrible depictions.

I can't decided if Keaton phoned it in or he was given so little to work with he couldn't give a good performance.

Ezra Miller is like the opposite of Tom Hardy in Venom. Tim Hardy acting against himself has amazing charisma that pulls a great performance out of a terrible story. Ezra had negative charisma with himself and drags the movie down worse when he's on screen twice.

The only good performance was Supergirl who definitely didn't have anything to work with but still had chops to give something of note.
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Pretty much this, aside from the fact I liked Keaton's Batman films as films.

The performances in the flash were either phoned in or had pretty bad material to work with. Michael Shannon and Ben Affleck both tried their best with what they had and felt like they were there by obligation. Gal Gadot sucks as an actress.

Ezra Miller is the worst performance from playing two annoying iterations of the Flash and an edgy emo version that does not make sense. Especially with a version of the character who is meant to be annoying but ends up annoying the audience more with his dolphin laughs and being genuinely retarded.

Supergirl's actor was the only one who actually was good, just a shame she didn't have better material to work with.
 
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