DC Comics Multimedia General - A crisis of infinite fuck ups

[Overly Serious]

do you think she screeches like that when she fucks?

Yep. And nine months later she lays an egg if you're not careful.

do you think costs might have been another part of it? Green Lantern would always be the biggest budget slop of all the heroes. his powers are entirely construct based. either you do that really cheaply and get mocked for it like the ryan reynolds movie or you don't show them at all. its arguably the biggest one you can't really do well in live action

It certainly must have been a concern they considered. Depending on how you do it, a GL film is near continuous special effects. It's not just the CGI work later, it complicates the whole filming with costuming that can be overlayed, actors looking at tennis balls while they recite their lines, etc. It's a big deal. However, it's one of those things that is kind of necessary. If you can't do that, then you shouldn't be doing a GL show or movie in the first place. And to that point, we see in this trailer that the GL suit isn't something the ring conjures as it usually is. It's a dusty leather outfit hanging in a wardrobe.

Bleh.

 

[Newcomer 42]

Gunn hates the strong, charismatic white leads comics were built on and his shit is hipster garbage, always has been.

It’s why Starlord is a child despite being forty+, it’s why Peacemaker sucks cock, it’s why Supes cries like a vagina over comments (projection), hell it’s probably why Lex got cucked.

Not just Gunn. There's been a constant hate against white hetero (and homo) men for a decade, all to kill off the action hero stereotype of the 80s and 90s. Superheroes are action staples and that's why they're seemingly got hit the worst. Hell, even Nick Wilde, a fucking anthro fox, almost gets the same treatment in Zootopia 2, because he's straight and honorary white.

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It’s not for everyone and the poofs overshadow the rest of the team, but the Authority really is fun at times. This is the censored version, the original line was “ethic-shrapnel.”

They really are just a lefty version of the Crime Syndicate.

There's no way the hyper-violent Authority will be done in CY, unless things change for good.

If you can't do that, then you shouldn't be doing a GL show or movie in the first place.

You can't do a GL show set on Earth anyway. These guys can fly as easy as breathing and have few limitations when building energy constructs. What are they going to do, patrol with energy based patrol cruisers? Wait, that would be funny.

 

[Ultraman Orb Dark]

Warner killed the GL brand outside of small cameos and Injustice throughout the 2010s.

Did the growing anti-cop sentiment affect the public perception of Green Lantern at all?

Before then, what would have been his biggest role was taken by Stewart to give the JL a black character.

And then Cyborg joined the League and took that away.

Oh look, a show made by people who hate The Green Lantern, for people who will never even consider opening a GL comic book, that looks like the people involved, despite hating the character, don't actually know what the Green Lantern franchise even is or about in the first place.

"It's about space cops or something."
-WB Executives

Depending on how you do it, a GL film is near continuous special effects. It's not just the CGI work later, it complicates the whole filming with costuming that can be overlayed, actors looking at tennis balls while they recite their lines, etc. It's a big deal. However, it's one of those things that is kind of necessary. If you can't do that, then you shouldn't be doing a GL show or movie in the first place.

It's why animation is the best way to adapt a hero with powers like Green Lantern. No worry about CGI effects.

Not just Gunn. There's been a constant hate against white hetero (and homo) men for a decade, all to kill off the action hero stereotype of the 80s and 90s. Superheroes are action staples and that's why they're seemingly got hit the worst.

While you could argue that societal standards of masculinity have changed since the turn of the century to allow for more emotionally complex heroes in action movies, it doesn't mean that people want to see heroes screwing around like children.

 

[Humble Architect]

Not just Gunn. There's been a constant hate against white hetero (and homo) men for a decade, all to kill off the action hero stereotype of the 80s and 90s. Superheroes are action staples and that's why they're seemingly got hit the worst. Hell, even Nick Wilde, a fucking anthro fox, almost gets the same treatment in Zootopia 2, because he's straight and honorary white.

There's no way the hyper-violent Authority will be done in CY, unless things change for good.

Well the time came and went for the Authority, the time to strike the second the covid shit lifted and “The Boys” was still hot and Invincible was taking their absurd two years between seasons.

That was the small window of time where the Authority could’ve succeeded as a series.

This is what Gunn should’ve been directing. The man is a cunt but his talents would work well with this jackasses.

 

[Basic Blond Boy]

Did the growing anti-cop sentiment affect the public perception of Green Lantern at all?

The only thing mainstream that brings it up was the Suicide Squad game, and that lead to controversy because they used the phrase “one of the good ones” to describe the black Green Lantern.

GL died before much of the anti-cop sentiment was around. 2011 was the film and show, both of which crashed the IP. Snyder and the CW only used GL for cameos. Justice League Action would have GL once in a blue moon. Then the New 52 Movies had him exist just to get smacked around.

The only things that significantly used him were the super kid friendly DC content like LEGO and DC Super Hero Girls (Faust version). Also Injustice, but that one is a bit early when it started.

 

[From The Uncanny Valley]

The only thing mainstream that brings it up was the Suicide Squad game, and that lead to controversy because they used the phrase “one of the good ones” to describe the black Green Lantern.

GL died before much of the anti-cop sentiment was around. 2011 was the film and show, both of which crashed the IP. Snyder and the CW only used GL for cameos. Justice League Action would have GL once in a blue moon. Then the New 52 Movies had him exist just to get smacked around.

The only things that significantly used him were the super kid friendly DC content like LEGO and DC Super Hero Girls (Faust version). Also Injustice, but that one is a bit early when it started.

And that was just the Hispanic vegan with two moms.

 

[el bandito loco]

I'm a Green Lantern fan in general, but a lapsed one, I dont think ive read a recent GL or related title in almost a decade now. That said, even if I didnt like the characters, ive always thought it's maybe the biggest untapped resource for DC external media. It's pretty simple to get right.

It's amazing to me that they released a trailer that retroactively made me bump up the Ryan Reynolds movie. At least it wasn't embarrassed of it's source material, it just sucked, was miscast and had the wrong tone for it. It sort of didn't get said material either, from memory it had a lame ass Hector Hammond and totally fucked up Parallax, but even if it did lame stuff with it, at least you could tell those guys did open up a couple green lantern comics. I havent seen it since the theaters, but if stoned teenage me opening day walked out of that and went "wow that fuckin' sucked" it must have really sucked but at least it was recognizably GL.

This looks like some TV dork saw the cover to that (first? Second?) Appearance of John Stewart in GL/GA from the 70s where he's dealing with racists and then never actually read what's in it and greenlit the show on that idea.

Yippee, Hal in name only training John in name only, in a show that's Green Lantern in name only.

A hard R cop drama take on GL could be kind of interesting and on paper I like that idea but set on earth in Texas or something? With a huge helping of racial politics? No way, Jose.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

It's why animation is the best way to adapt a hero with powers like Green Lantern. No worry about CGI effects.

Animation is the best way to convey comic characters at all. Live action always gets a few details wrong and they don't convey the unreality of comic book universes.

 

[Incecticyder]

Well the time came and went for the Authority, the time to strike the second the covid shit lifted and “The Boys” was still hot and Invincible was taking their absurd two years between seasons.

That was the small window of time where the Authority could’ve succeeded as a series.
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This is what Gunn should’ve been directing. The man is a cunt but his talents would work well with this jackasses.

I disagree. There is only one good story featuring the Authority. Guess which one I am talking about. The Authority have no fans. They have edgelords former fans that outgrew them. There is no room for a story that features heroes that make the civilians panic as much as the villains. That trend died fast. "Invincible" has Mark and the rest actually be good people. In "The Boys", the "heroes" hide their worse nature from the public. In Wildstorm, the "heroes" are all assholes. Forget "Bad people keeping worse people in check", it is more like "Villain that pretends to be a hero VS Villain that is more honest". Any time they try to have the Wildstorm "heroes" do anything in the main DC Universe, I think "What? You are the Authority? You know what? I will wait for Superman or his friends!" and cannot figure out how these assholes fit in here.

 

[Humble Architect]

I disagree. There is only one good story featuring the Authority. Guess which one I am talking about. The Authority have no fans. They have edgelords former fans that outgrew them. There is no room for a story that features heroes that make the civilians panic as much as the villains. That trend died fast. "Invincible" has Mark and the rest actually be good people. In "The Boys", the "heroes" hide their worse nature from the public. In Wildstorm, the "heroes" are all assholes. Forget "Bad people keeping worse people in check", it is more like "Villain that pretends to be a hero VS Villain that is more honest". Any time they try to have the Wildstorm "heroes" do anything in the main DC Universe, I think "What? You are the Authority? You know what? I will wait for Superman or his friends!" and cannot figure out how these assholes fit in here.

Them getting what they fucking deserve from Captain Atom is one of the most satisfying underrated moments in comics. Unthinkable now, the straight white veteran killing two queers and their chink daughter?

I was immediately put off the PKJ Superman with the retarded idea of Clark ever associating with anyone on his “team.”

 

[Incecticyder]

Them getting what they fucking deserve from Captain Atom is one of the most satisfying underrated moments in comics. Unthinkable now, the straight white veteran killing two queers and their chink daughter?

What made it all the more powerful was the fact that Cap was trying to go the non-lethal route on all of them until the very last moment. Always nice to see a hero trying to remind others how they should behave. Also, I do not think Jenny is supposed to be Asian. You must be confusing her with the other one who lived until the end of the world.

I was immediately put off the PKJ Superman with the retarded idea of Clark ever associating with anyone on his “team.”

They just do not function like heroes when you put them next to real ones. They would be villains anywhere else. Oh and I LOOOOVE how they are quick to decide on murder. They have a serious case of "Murderbrain". You know what that is? It is when someone thinks of murder as the best solution for everything! A bomb is about to end the universe if you leave it alone or destroy it? Destroy it! That will save the universe! Honestly, I cannot imagine how people ask for the Authority. The rest of the Wildstorm characters could fit but these guys are too much.

 

[Humble Architect]

What made it all the more powerful was the fact that Cap was trying to go the non-lethal route on all of them until the very last moment. Always nice to see a hero trying to remind others how they should behave. Also, I do not think Jenny is supposed to be Asian. You must be confusing her with the other one who lived until the end of the world.


They just do not function like heroes when you put them next to real ones. They would be villains anywhere else. Oh and I LOOOOVE how they are quick to decide on murder. They have a serious case of "Murderbrain". You know what that is? It is when someone thinks of murder as the best solution for everything! A bomb is about to end the universe if you leave it alone or destroy it? Destroy it! That will save the universe! Honestly, I cannot imagine how people ask for the Authority. The rest of the Wildstorm characters could fit but these guys are too much.

I enjoy them, in the same way I enjoy the Crime Syndicate. Now Warren Ellis wrote them through the lense of supervillains but later writers lost the plot. But I like that the team are delusional, narcissistic, perverted, selfish and genuinely no different than the “old money” who keeps molesting them (which team members weren’t sodomized?)

Because a D-tier guy like Captain Atom is a paragon next to the scum of Wildstorm. They’re Earth 3 but without the honesty of the Crime Syndicate and that’s why I enjoy them. The Authority are champagne socialist conquerors and almost always fuck around, then find out. Would love for them to meet Ultraman and the gang, I could see a mini like that being peak 2000s edgekino. Kinda like when the Ultimates met the Supreme Power gang.

 

[Newcomer 42]

Yeah, in hindsight, people are getting fed up with edgelord "heroes", plus The Boys pretty much monopolized that market. Now, I wonder if someone would dare to make an animation series, or even a live-action of the supreme edgelord of "bad heroes": Worm.

As for the Authority, the Supes parody cartoon is their best version, where the parody is actually nicer than the real deal, kek.

 

[el bandito loco]

I was immediately put off the PKJ Superman with the retarded idea of Clark ever associating with anyone on his “team.”

I don't disagree with you at all, but what's sad is his run up to now has been, and is, by far and away the best Superman in comics we've gotten in this decade so far. but, that's like saying you've got a glass of piss to drink and you can pick between piping hot or room temperature, it's still a glass of piss (granny's peach tea)

 

[Incecticyder]

I enjoy them, in the same way I enjoy the Crime Syndicate. Now Warren Ellis wrote them through the lense of supervillains but later writers lost the plot. But I like that the team are delusional, narcissistic, perverted, selfish and genuinely no different than the “old money” who keeps molesting them (which team members weren’t sodomized?)

They cannot function as heroes though. If you want heroes, you can get Superman or whoever else is and you would be better off. If you want villains, you can have Lex Luthor or his pals. If you want anti-heroes, you can have Red Hood and the Outlaws or Catwoman. If you want anti-villains, Poison Ivy or the Rogues are still a better bet. What is their niche? Villains who think themselves heroes? At least in Wildstorm they were not that worse than the rest of the assholes. In DC, there are villains that people would rather run into more than guys like them.

At least the Crime Syndicate are supposed to be evil. I can respect that. They are gangsters with supersuits and powers. The Authority are jackasses that wreck shit while LARPing as badasses. Manchildren. They are Tighten from Megamind but as a team.

I can work with a villain. A robber baron steals from you but shows some mercy depending on how bored he is. The Authority robs you, robs you some more all while telling you and themselves that it is for your own good.

Because a D-tier guy like Captain Atom is a paragon next to the scum of Wildstorm. They’re Earth 3 but without the honesty of the Crime Syndicate and that’s why I enjoy them. The Authority are champagne socialist conquerors and almost always fuck around, then find out. Would love for them to meet Ultraman and the gang, I could see a mini like that being peak 2000s edgekino. Kinda like when the Ultimates met the Supreme Power gang.

Cap Atom is a soldier and a superhero. He is willing to see other methods. He IS a paragon of how a soldier should act. He avoids killing because he understand death. He would have been a pacifist in another life. Hell, in Armageddon, he even recalls one of his talks with Mr. Miracle about freedom of information and concedes that he has a point. He is a soldier but still a man and a hero.

I am not opposed to the Authority getting their teeth kicked in. I just think that a series or a movie would make them look too sympathetic after all the beating. I could see an adaptation of Armageddon in the form of a short series of a cartoon with Cap Atom as the protagonist. The Authority cannot be the protagonists though. They are too evil for heroic protagonists and too boring for villain protagonists. Someone else must be there to kill them and to root for. Cap Atom is a good choice for that.

But as you said, no one wants a show or movie where they are the protagonists, we want a show or movie where they get killed. Sadly, any adaptation that will be made will show them as heroes.

 

[Basic Blond Boy]

I'm a Green Lantern fan in general, but a lapsed one, I dont think ive read a recent GL or related title in almost a decade now. That said, even if I didnt like the characters, ive always thought it's maybe the biggest untapped resource for DC external media. It's pretty simple to get right.

If anyone here is looking for Green Lantern outside media that actually uses the series to its full potential, just play LEGO Batman 3 Beyond Gotham. Don’t let the title fool you, the game switches over to a Green Lantern title halfway through complete with levels and full open world planets for each Lantern core: Yellow, Red, Orange, Violet, Blue and Indigo. Game even has Daffy Duck in his Green Loontern persona detail Lantern lore on each planet - a very strange nod to the one Duck Dodgers episode.

Super strange how kind to GL this one 2014 game was, before dropping large chunks of it the very next game. LEGO DC Super Villains very much slices GL content to only the bare essentials while going hard on The Flash. CW really influenced the later title.

And that was just the Hispanic vegan with two moms.

Hal is actually fairly prominent in DCSHG (Faust version). He is basically reduced to the dumb, but ultimately well-meaning Jock that gets on Jessica’s nerves. Carol is also decently fun, being way more crazy as she goes full Yandere for Hal. Bonus points for allowing Carol to be playable in the Switch tie-in game, of which is surprisingly underrated.

Yeah, in hindsight, people are getting fed up with edgelord "heroes", plus The Boys pretty much monopolized that market.

Injustice really killed the concept for DC since writers can’t seem to understand that it is an alternate universe unlike mainline DC. Now every Superman has this secret evil side waiting to come out.

 

[Humble Architect]

Speaking as someone who likes the Authority and their opposites, the Ultimates. I have a soft-spot for edgy superheroes who are fucked in the head. My overall favourite superhero is post-crisis Superman ironically.

I think the Authority’s brand of “fuck it, kill em all, bash the facist” is funny in how blatantly tyrannical it is and if you gave me control over DC as Editor in Chief, they would’ve used Carrier as an ark to survive the Wildstorm universe going to hell, anyone not on the ark got vaporized cause Wildstorm outside the Authority was even more trashy and worthless.

They land on Earth 3 and become to the Crime Syndicate, what the Crime Syndicate is to the Justice League, dark invaders/shattered mirrors. It’s the Chris/Liquid Chris thing where it’s the original fighting a reflection. Their arc is them getting a wake up call, these lunatics from a world where the default is evil, are no different than them.

It’s one thing to have the poofs get their teeth kicked in, it’s another to emasculate the argument and humiliate it.

Midnighter, the insufferable Wolverine-tier spotlight stealer getting debate bro-broken by Owlman would be the spotlight moment. Owlman does the same thing his based James Woods version does. In that instance Batman stood tall and sent Owlman to hell (you blinked) but here? Owlman is the victor because you can’t be a hero and act like a supervillain, that’s denial, at least the Crime Syndicate are honest about what they do.

That’s what I’d do with the Authority, maybe even have them fall under Captain Atom’s command. Superman leading them is lame, but I like the idea of an exemplar leading a scrappy team of living weapons. Except here it’s redemptive rather than a pre-emptive strike on Africa.

 

[Incecticyder]

Speaking as someone who likes the Authority and their opposites, the Ultimates. I have a soft-spot for edgy superheroes who are fucked in the head. My overall favourite superhero is post-crisis Superman ironically.

I think the Authority’s brand of “fuck it, kill em all, bash the facist” is funny in how blatantly tyrannical it is and if you gave me control over DC as Editor in Chief, they would’ve used Carrier as an ark to survive the Wildstorm universe going to hell, anyone not on the ark got vaporized cause Wildstorm outside the Authority was even more trashy and worthless.

They land on Earth 3 and become to the Crime Syndicate, what the Crime Syndicate is to the Justice League, dark invaders/shattered mirrors. It’s the Chris/Liquid Chris thing where it’s the original fighting a reflection. Their arc is them getting a wake up call, these lunatics from a world where the default is evil, are no different than them.

It’s one thing to have the poofs get their teeth kicked in, it’s another to emasculate the argument and humiliate it.

Midnighter, the insufferable Wolverine-tier spotlight stealer getting debate bro-broken by Owlman would be the spotlight moment. Owlman does the same thing his based James Woods version does. In that instance Batman stood tall and sent Owlman to hell (you blinked) but here? Owlman is the victor because you can’t be a hero and act like a supervillain, that’s denial, at least the Crime Syndicate are honest about what they do.

That’s what I’d do with the Authority, maybe even have them fall under Captain Atom’s command. Superman leading them is lame, but I like the idea of an exemplar leading a scrappy team of living weapons. Except here it’s redemptive rather than a pre-emptive strike on Africa.

I think that having the Authority undergo character development after meeting the Crime Syndicate is a good idea. Owlman could break them by showing them that they are no better. Just less self-aware. Have them decide to be paragons like the late heroes of Earth 3 instead of what they are.

For example, they liked going into places where the Nazis were winning and changing the tide of battle to blow some steam but what if they were faced with the consequences of their actions? What if killing Hitler was a catalyst for the world to become more dystopian than it would have been under him? We know that the Nazi high command was filled with monsters, so what if one of those got power after Hitler and had people raped all the time? Or the Soviets won and everyone became Commies. Or the Swiss won and control everything. They would be forced to face the fact that they are assholes who do not know better. Also, they should lose the ability to cross dimensions. It is a story-breaking power that bends the narrative around it (Rick and Morty) or nothing is truly done with it. Have them use their one last use of crossing dimensions to go somewhere and have that be Earth 3.

 

[Humble Architect]

@Incecticyder, strand them or have Ultraman kill Carrier, or like Captain Atom have crossing the Bleed kill it. Like Earth 3 is an unplanned trip and them ending up there be a mix of accident, karma and the “second chance” from the end of Armageddon that never happened.

But I really think they could be something worthwhile again, just not in the same Earth as the League. The Authority replacing the dead heroes of Earth 3 to me at least seems like the best place to fix them.

Plus it lets the Crime Syndicate flex on an enemy outside the League and show why they’re the OG evil Justice League, all the Authority’s tricks wouldn’t work. That “punching below the belt” tactic only works on opponents who aren’t gonna stomp you to death.

They’re the underdog, they’re the losers facing down an enemy who’s taken over the planet and has absolute power.

But that’s just how I’d bring back a niche team that I like, I know they’re not popular, especially with the fags always stealing the spotlight but of the endless fucking “edgy Justice League” variations that aren’t just pure dark comedy like the Crime Syndicate, I think they’re the best. The no-kill rules are gay and writers making a big deal out of them is lame, but the Authority are the biggest reason why Superman and the gang shouldn’t tear apart every guy they fight.

Plus Ultraman getting his own version of “What’s So Funny About” would be funny, because of how the Authority would react to a crackhead Superman.

 

[Basic Blond Boy]

Forgot to post this the other day, but more LEGO Batman: