I don't know about that.
fast enough to travel through time
People joke about how weird it is for Batman to have all these backup plans, but when you're a regular guy in a world where Zeus can bitch-slap an alien, you need to be prepared for anything.
honestly, i'm more upset bruce still gets his ass beat by relatively normal fucking people at this point
and they still kill him with bullets after
You prove my point, Crisis on Infinite Earths, the big reboot of 86, the versions of the characters we all know and love reaching their modern shape.
Oh no, my man.
Schrodinger's Batman: He's simultaneously quick enough to dodge circles around superhumans that could turn him into paste with one blow and slow enough to get decked by a fat man cosplaying a 1940s upper-class finance bro with a few months training at a McDojo.
Indeed they are different. Like the Judean People's Front and The People's Front of Judea are different.
It's a pity they negate this later on by having Captain Boomerang somehow be quick enough to activate an anti-Flash force field device on his wrist before Flash can touch him.
Solo stories for Green Lantern and the like don't waste time bothering about the existence of other superheroes. Neither should Superman comics. Easy peasy. I don't need to see Lois Lane or Batman doing the brain work for Superman or having Superman struggle with the likes of Livewire who realistically shouldn't even be more than a casual two-minute encounter for him just to avoid making the rest of the supporting cast look useless. Also it's not like the DC universe lacks in other heroes on Superman's level. It's just that writers don't see the need to nerf them due to complaints about OP-ness that are about 5 decades out of date.
No because they deal with the entire universe. Superman rarely does. Many of their foes never bother the JL unless they have a reason to hunt Hal or another of the GLs. They mostly don't want beef with anyone.
Superman lives on Earth and every city is seconds away from him. There isn't the vastness of space between them. He can hop to Gotham or wherever for a crossover or a drink.
Not Lois but Batman is the resident Detective/Sugar Daddy. Superman IS smart but he isn't the smartest.
No one is saying he should struggle with Livewire. I said that she is someone that is a Superman Rogue that other heroes can beat too. Superman can handle Brainiac while someone else takes her on.
It doesn't lack them but they aren't A-listers either. Even Captain Atom is a B-lister at best. Martian Manhunter is saved only by being on the JL cartoons.
The writers either don't know how to write Superman having struggles without nerfing him or want to glaze someone else. That's it.
This is why speedsters are always the hardest to write. It's like Batman examples mentioned above. The Flash is the fastest man alive, yet he still struggles against guys with freeze rays and boomerangs. The Arrowverse show made it even worse by making it so Flash needed people at S.T.A.R. Labs to tell him how to beat the bad guys while only occassionally remembering the true extent of his powers.
"Lois, I'm going to get some coffee. Want me to swing by that place in Gotham with the bear claws you like, or would you rather a blueberry muffin from that place in Coast City?"
Them dealing with the entire universe is even more reason for it to apply to them. Green Lanterns spend a fair amount of time doing stuff on Earth too.
So do Batman, Wonder Woman, Flash, Aquaman, Zatanna, Cyborg, Martian Manhunter, Blue Beetle, Firestorm, Swamp Thing, Raven, Starfire, Captain Atom and a gazillion other heroes. I barely ever see any of their stories being handicapped by the ridiculous need to bring in other heroes or even acknowledge they exist. Marvel was practically built around the concept of a shared universe from the get-go and even they don't feel the need to do this shit. Spider-Man doesn't call up Mr. Fantastic or Tony Stark to do his science homework defeating the villain plot of the week.
Superman is technically supposed to have a super intellect and is scientifically inclined. Batman is a good detective but he really shouldn't be required for Clark/Kal to call on to do his science thinking in Superman's own stories as being a good detective does not equate to being a brilliant scientist especially when it comes to Kryptonian technology.
Then just move her over to someone else's rogues' gallery, I don't need to see her showing up and Superman suddenly developing a weakness to electricity just so she isn't a total joke.
By that measure nobody is really an A-lister in the DC crew save for Bats and Supes.
So you agree with what I'm saying in which case I don't understand what your point is other than perhaps trying to get the last word in.
Before the 1990s comic crash and the Death of Superman storyline Superman was seen and used as the benchmark all DC superheros and villains were measured up against by DC and comic readers.
Most of their opponents (apart from the other Lanterns) don't care much about Earth so it doesn't factor as much.
Superman schools most Batman/Wonder Woman/Flash/Aquaman/Teen Titans/whoever villains. Zatanna's and Captain Atom's might cause him problems though. Point is, there is a reason why only some of them make appearance in JL comics. Point is, a villain who can cause real trouble to Superman is someone like Luthor, Zod, Darkseid, Brainiac or the Anti-Monitor (or someone on their level). The rest, he can deal with rather easily.
A good scientist isn't necessarily a good detective. You don't see Einstein going to find serial killers. Also, I always figured that Superman wanted to keep the level of technology he has access to hidden from the public. Sharing it with fellow heroes is fine but if the public realized he has the power to make a mini-universe, there might be trouble. People might accuse him of manufacturing evidence or hypnotizing people into committing crimes to present himself as a hero. Can't have that. Not to mention that Batman has access to his own high tech stuff, not needing much of Kryptonian tech to function. Maybe the medical stuff or a training room but that's it.
Good God! You only read half the things I say. Superman might not be killed by her voltage but he can get stunned. He is very resistant, not immune. At the same time, Livewire is an excellent Superman villain. Sure, she can't kill Superman but she can cause black-outs or kill others. She has a lot of hostages at any given point of time and that makes her a good threat.
Every core member of the JL that has its own famous Rogue's Gallery is an A-lister. The more famous sidekicks are too.
I agree with some things and disagree with others. We are having a dialogue but you seem to be taking it as an attack.
Nah, I will vouch for this one.
The Freeze gun slows down the Flash as the colder temperature affects his molecules and physicality like any normal human. Flash’s quickened body may make the effects hit faster as well, a problem that he goes through with Heatwave who lights his ass up through the increased temperature mixed with his faster body functions, accelerating everything. One also needs to remember that the Rouges temperature control is far beyond what normal humans can survive.
Yeah, that is why I said he doesn't have immunity. He is still resistant enough to counter her. As for Volcana, I believe he is far more resistant to heat than electricity.
I think what he means is that no one should be fast enough to hit the Flash with the Cold Gun to begin with.
It still freezes the area, which makes him naturally slower going in. Even if he doesn't necessarily get hit, he is still walking into a refrigerator often times and the coldness of the gun still comes off of it even before being used. Same can be said of Heatwave who will naturally make the temperature warmer. Assuming his body processes are accelerated - shown by his need for food consumption - the shift in temperature even prior to engagement will still hit him.
Most of their opponents are galaxy-level threats who can wipe out entire solar systems including Earth if their shenanigans aren't stopped.
There's at least one Wonder Woman villain that nearly killed him and the rest of the Justice League (it was her equivalent of Doomsday, I forget the name currently). But anyway you seem to be taking something I say and projecting something else onto it so let me reiterate in the simplest terms - Superman stories do not need nor do they benefit from constantly having to involve other heroes/supporting cast and therefore needing to nerf Superman to avoid them looking useless.
So by this measure every single Batman story that involves science shenanigans should have him asking the likes of Ted Kord, Mr. Terrific, Superman and Green Lantern for advice, right? Since him being a good detective doesn't necessarily mean that he is a good scientist. You seem to be misunderstanding my main point, which is that other superhero solo stories do not see the need to bring in other heroes to make the central hero seem less "OP". Neither should Superman's solo stories.
I read everything you say, it's just that most of it is you constantly misinterpreting what I'm saying. Superman SHOULDN'T be getting affected by her powers, that's the point, she isn't a serious threat on his level anymore than the likes of the Prankster were (which is why he got shuffled off to other rogues' galleries). And sure she can threaten innocents but so can a regular terrorist with a few dozen bombs rigged to explode around Metropolis. But Basic Blond Boy does bring up a good point that perhaps Superman's weakness to electricity has been around earlier in the Reeves' movies though I don't recall that and will have to check.
So Wonder Woman and Aquaman, who are on Superman's level physically, are A-listers then? How about Firestorm? He is pretty damn powerful too.
You seem to be agreeing with the core premises but writing in such a way to avoid admitting to it. Which I don't take as an attack so much as it just confuses me as to what your goal even is and what you are trying to prove. Because you aren't arguing against my main points, you are just constantly shifting the goal posts which has happened previously too. And if this is going to be another case of such then I really can't be arsed going in circles again so see replies #2 and #3 above for my primary claims.