Debate Freya and Android Raptor about which side of the abortion debates are true pedos (and Mrs. Doubtfire for some reason)

[Freya]

Why do you believe a 10 year old is a woman?

 

[Chandelier]

Mother took the daughter to Indiana because of the law in Ohio which means you have to report a rape when you preform an abortion. The rapist was an illegal and the boyfriend of the mother. Link where the law has no exceptions and not some shithead liberal article that says that. Act text of the law.

The 2019 Heartbeat law (this link has the PDF of the AG's requirements, as the OG site for it cannot be accessed) forbade all abortions after the six week limit; or when a fetal heartbeat was detected. No exemptions for rape existed or exists. The only exemption is to the health of the mother, and the rape was indeed reported to authorities when it was performed in Indiana under Dr. Bernard's direction.

I'm not gonna go trawling twitter for her testimony. Post the full testimony.

"And while a pregnancy might have been difficult on a 10-year-old body, a woman’s body is designed to carry life. That is a biological fact." nothing in this statement is incorrect. Nor does any belief you ascribe to her damning for the movement. Abortion is killing of unborn life, can't get much more damning than that.

There is no getting around that you support a literal child giving birth because you value the fetus more than her. Her body is biologically unprepared to give birth; her uterus will tear apart and her birth canal will fracture because the baby's head will be too big. There will be higher rates of complications.

This girl would have died without the abortion. Or, if she had miraculously lived, she would have been rendered infertile due to the damage childbirth would have done on her. It's pretty fucking damning when a so-called pro life activist is comparing a horrible event to 'playing with dolls' and that she should have given birth.

But let me reference Jim Bopp, who wrote some of this model legislation:

“Unless her life was at danger, there is no exception for rape,” Bopp told Politico. “The bill does propose exceptions for rape and incest, in my model, because that is a pro-life position, but it’s not our ideal position. We don’t think, as heartwrenching as those circumstances are, we don’t think we should devalue the life of the baby because of the sins of the father.”

And:

“She would have had the baby, and as many women who have had babies as a result of rape, we would hope that she would understand the reason and ultimately the benefit of having the child,” Bopp said in a phone interview on Thursday.

This was from Politico.

A 10 year old doesn't deserve to become a mother. She deserves to be a child. Killing a child so you can have a fetus you can briefly care about isn't pro life.

Lol, and this has any relation to the lying mother and rapist illegal boyfriend and planned parenthood cover up how?

She went to a pregnancy crisis center first. Because those are the good places respectable mothers go to.

 

[World Famous Quasi Payer]

The 2019 Heartbeat law (this link has the PDF of the AG's requirements, as the OG site for it cannot be accessed) forbade all abortions after the six week limit; or when a fetal heartbeat was detected. No exemptions for rape existed or exists. The only exemption is to the health of the mother,

Actual bill.

and the rape was indeed reported to authorities when it was performed in Indiana under Dr. Bernard's direction.

After the mother took the child out of state, after the six-week allowance window, all in an attempt to cover up the rape and only reported by Dr. Bernard as a means to further her own pro-abortion views.

>Gottcha clip
Posting a clip that starts half-way through a sentence isn't the evidence you think it is. Post her complete testimony, from start to finish.

There is no getting around that you support a literal child giving birth because you value the fetus more than her. Her body is biologically unprepared to give birth; her uterus will tear apart and her birth canal will fracture because the baby's head will be too big. There will be higher rates of complications.

Where did I say I thought the girl should carry the child to term? No where. Oh and according to the AG's pdf, she still could have gotten an abortion in Ohio after heartbeat, but the rape would have had to have been reported and the mother didn't want that.

But let me reference Jim Bopp, who wrote some of this model legislation:

So does the bill have a rape exception "“The bill does propose exceptions for rape and incest" as your quote says it does or not?

This was from Politico.

Oh look! An article from scumbag journalists! Gonna definitely trust journalists and hope they aren't misconstruing or outright lying. Of all the sites to go posting news articles as sources on...

A 10 year old doesn't deserve to become a mother. She deserves to be a child. Killing a child so you can have a fetus you can briefly care about isn't pro life.

Using a case of a ten year old being raped isn't going to overturn or deflect from abortion on demand, which is what RvW granted. Nor does it paint your pro-abortion side in any good light given we only know about this because some activist wanted to use to to grandstand about the importance of abortion.

Oh look! An article from scumbag journalists! Gonna definitely trust journalists and hope they aren't misconstruing or outright lying.

Ok. And what does this have to do with a mother covering up the rape of her ten-year-old by her illegal boyfriend again?

 

[Freya]

"Muh context" she was clearly saying a 10 year old is supposed to give birth. she wasn't covering up the rape and whether the man was illegal or not doesn't matter. you people are vile.

 

[World Famous Quasi Payer]

"Muh context" she was clearly saying a 10 year old is supposed to give birth.

"How dare you not let me use out of context clips, where she doesn't say what I say she says, to further my baby murdering agenda!" The rape of a 10 year old isn't a justification for general abortion, which has been the point made by pro-abortion advocates every time they bring up this case.

she wasn't covering up the rape and whether the man was illegal or not doesn't matter.

Then why didn't the mother have the abortion done in Ohio? If pregnancy is dangerous for a ten-year-old, she should have been able to get an abortion in state.

you people are vile.

Baby murderer says what?

 

[Shidoen]

"Muh context" she was clearly saying a 10 year old is supposed to give birth. she wasn't covering up the rape and whether the man was illegal or not doesn't matter. you people are vile.

"How dare you not let me use out of context clips, where she doesn't say what I say she says, to further my baby murdering agenda!" The rape of a 10 year old isn't a justification for general abortion, which has been the point made by pro-abortion advocates every time they bring up this case.


Then why didn't the mother have the abortion done in Ohio? If pregnancy is dangerous for a ten-year-old, she should have been able to get an abortion in state.


Baby murderer says what?

Both of you are pretty autistic NiaF the lady in the video clearly stated that a 10 year old girl can give birth while not wrong doesn’t mean much because she clearly wanted that child to give birth. Just because children have the ability absolutely does not mean they should. Freya not for defending that the child needed the abortion but obviously for trying to use it as a device for why abortion should be unrestricted because more than anything it’ll be used less as a last resort and more as a way to kill off unwanted babies.

 

[Freya]

"How dare you not let me use out of context clips, where she doesn't say what I say she says, to further my baby murdering agenda!" The rape of a 10 year old isn't a justification for general abortion, which has been the point made by pro-abortion advocates every time they bring up this case.


Then why didn't the mother have the abortion done in Ohio? If pregnancy is dangerous for a ten-year-old, she should have been able to get an abortion in state.


Baby murderer says what?

it's not out of context. she directly says a 10 year old should be forced to give birth. you're just a pedophile

Both of you are pretty autistic NiaF the lady in the video clearly stated that a 10 year old girl can give birth while not wrong doesn’t mean much because she clearly wanted that child to give birth. Just because children have the ability absolutely does not mean they should. Freya not for defending that the child needed the abortion but obviously for trying to use it as a device for why abortion should be unrestricted because more than anything it’ll be used less as a last resort and more as a way to kill off unwanted babies.

I'm not using it as a reason abortion should be unrestricted. Abortion should be unrestricted because I never signed any document saying "The Catholic Church/Southern Baptist Convention can make medical decisions for me"

 

[World Famous Quasi Payer]

it's not out of context. she directly says a 10 year old should be forced to give birth. you're just a pedophile

It is out of context. No one says ten-year-old girl and then says woman as if there the same thing.

I'm not using it as a reason abortion should be unrestricted. Abortion should be unrestricted because I never signed any document saying "The Catholic Church/Southern Baptist Convention can make medical decisions for me"

Yet you keep bringing it up as if anti-abortion advocates want to rape children. You literally called me a pedophile because I won't agree with you.

 

[Freya]

It is out of context. No one says ten-year-old girl and then says woman as if there the same thing.


Yet you keep bringing it up as if anti-abortion advocates want to rape children. You literally called me a pedophile because I won't agree with you.

I called you a pedophile for agreeing that a 10 year old was a woman. nobody who isn't a pedophile would use "out of context" as a defense for this.

But maybe I am being unreasonable. Let's look over what she said again:
"And while a pregnancy might have been difficult on a 10-year-old body, a woman’s body is designed to carry life. That is a biological fact."
She is beyond a shadow of a doubt equating a 10 year old body with a woman's body. There is no other way to read that that makes sense.
so if you're not a pedo, you either are too stupid to understand English OR playing stupid on purpose. You are also a newfag.

Dilate.

 

[World Famous Quasi Payer]

I called you a pedophile for agreeing that a 10 year old was a woman. nobody who isn't a pedophile would use "out of context" as a defense for this.

I got a video that doesn't even capture her complete remarks on the subject. Starts half-way through one of her points. It's out of context. Doesn't make me a pedo for pointing out she spoke for far longer than a minute and a half.

But maybe I am being unreasonable. Let's look over what she said again:

"And while a pregnancy might have been difficult on a 10-year-old body, a woman’s body is designed to carry life. That is a biological fact."
She is beyond a shadow of a doubt equating a 10 year old body with a woman's body. There is no other way to read that that makes sense.
so if you're not a pedo, you either are too stupid to understand English OR playing stupid on purpose.

"And while a pregnancy might have been difficult on a 10-year-old body, a woman's body is designed to carry life." Do you see the distinction? Nobody says a ten year old is a woman. If she had said, "while a pregnancy might have been difficult on a 10-year-old body, her body is designed to carry life", you'd have a point. But she didn't say that. She made a clear distinction between a ten-year-old and a woman.

You are also a newfag.

Guilty as sin.

 

[Shidoen]

it's not out of context. she directly says a 10 year old should be forced to give birth. you're just a pedophile

I'm not using it as a reason abortion should be unrestricted. Abortion should be unrestricted because I never signed any document saying "The Catholic Church/Southern Baptist Convention can make medical decisions for me"

Trust me regardless the government is going to have the church in their pocket and vice versa, it's the same for pretty much anything such as universal "healthcare" if the church can't make you do it the government surely will. I refuse to believe that the separation of church and state has ever been meaningly enforced despite all these laws and cases. Even with the evolution and creationism case I think there was some certain under the table precautions made.

 

[Freya]

Trust me regardless the government is going to have the church in their pocket and vice versa, it's the same for pretty much anything such as universal "healthcare" if the church can't make you do it the government surely will. I refuse to believe that the separation of church and state has ever been meaningly enforced despite all these laws and cases. Even with the evolution and creationism case I think there was some certain under the table precautions made.

fuck that and fuck them. I'll spend the rest of my life fighting against this

 

[Shidoen]

fuck that and fuck them. I'll spend the rest of my life fighting against this

Yeah fight for the inevitable till the end right? You'll just get steamrolled by both powers until they can find the necessary replacements to make a versatile slave nation. Fighting for or against abortion under the presumption that you're going to be in control against the church or government is pretty laughable.

 

[Freya]

Yeah fight for the inevitable till the end right? You'll just get steamrolled by both powers until they can find the necessary replacements to make a versatile slave nation. Fighting for or against abortion under the presumption that you're going to be in control against the church or government is pretty laughable.

that's just loser talk

 

[Shidoen]

that's just loser talk

Oh really? What have I really got to lose? By saying that I think Abortion is immoral and whether you win or lose the result will stay the same. Your fighting against one force but benefiting the other.

 

[Antenna7]

A&N people tend to lean right a little more than others but that's largely because they have nowhere else to go.

Clown World has shown is that the Fundies were somewhat right about the Satanic Panic. The Fundies were right about the slippery slope of the LGBT lobby. The Mcarthyists were right about Communist infiltration.

It's almost like reverse world. Where the media tells me someone to hate. And I find out later they had a lot of good points.

Don't tell me it's going to come out soon that Nazis actually were one of the biggest positive political forces in history.

 

[Ishtar]

Christian fundamentalists were weird, often hypocritical, genuinely anti intellectual and often times made bad political decisions, but they were absolutely right about where society was heading.

Nobody listened and now troons and faggots rule the country, women are not subdued and obedient and degeneracy gets worse by the day.

"Muh context" she was clearly saying a 10 year old is supposed to give birth. she wasn't covering up the rape and whether the man was illegal or not doesn't matter. you people are vile.

Does anyone here honestly support ten year olds being impregnated? I don’t, I don’t think anyone else on this thread does. You’re raging against a straw man in your own deluded head.

 

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[Chandelier]

After the mother took the child out of state, after the six-week allowance window, all in an attempt to cover up the rape and only reported by Dr. Bernard as a means to further her own pro-abortion views.

>Gottcha clip
Posting a clip that starts half-way through a sentence isn't the evidence you think it is. Post her complete testimony, from start to finish.

Dr. Bernard was the victim of a mass media harassment campaign because it was the work of conservative talking heads that repeated the claim that this rape was a hoax. That sentiment was reflected here when the story initially came out. The AG and other senators called bullshit on it, saying it was 'too good to be true'. Well it did happen, Dr. Bernard performed the abortion, and was subject to a lawsuit from the AG for 'covering up the crime', which she reported.

The clip is there in its entirety. She is arguing that the girl should have kept the child because she would have grown to love it like a doll. You are laser focused on the 'woman's body' comment, and nothing else. She also lied about Dr. Bernard reporting the rape, which she did - and the fact that she already went to a pregnancy crisis center where they called her a 'wild child'. It's hard to wave away direct quotes like that, but here we are.

You state you have the full video. Post it here, then we can see the full context of this vile woman who has more pity for the fetus than a 10 year old girl.

Actual bill.

It is there, and it's the only place where it can be found in its entirety, as it appears to be deleted from the AG's own website (web archive only has caches of it).

Where did I say I thought the girl should carry the child to term? No where. Oh and according to the AG's pdf, she still could have gotten an abortion in Ohio after heartbeat, but the rape would have had to have been reported and the mother didn't want that.

No. This was under the 2019 Heartbeat bill, and there were no exceptions for rape and incest. She would have had to qualify under the 'threat to mother's life' law, and that would be at the discretion for doctors, as well as hospital lawyers (as is the case with women with medical emergencies). The mother is the one to blame, as is the state for its lack of clear cut exceptions.

Oh look! An article from scumbag journalists! Gonna definitely trust journalists and hope they aren't misconstruing or outright lying. Of all the sites to go posting news articles as sources on...

So if I go on LifeSiteNews or conservative media outlets that initially said the rape was a lie, would that suffice? Jim Dobb's words are public, as are Streitmann's.

Using a case of a ten year old being raped isn't going to overturn or deflect from abortion on demand, which is what RvW granted. Nor does it paint your pro-abortion side in any good light given we only know about this because some activist wanted to use to to grandstand about the importance of abortion.

No, but this specific debate is. 10 year old girls are not old enough to carry a child to term; they haven't even reached proper puberty. The birth would be traumatic for their bodies, and yet individuals like Dobbs openly say 'she would have had the baby' under the laws he drafted, lobbied and got signed. No exceptions. That's pretty damning.

We knew about it because, initially, it was viewed as a hoax. It wasn't, and then conservative commentators who said it was had to eat their words while never explicitly apologizing. Really, the only one who showed any sympathy was JD Vance.

It doesn't give your side a good light while openly ignoring what Right to Life speakers say, such as thinking a baby for a ten year old would be like taking care of a doll. It's vile, and the woman deserves to have a house dropped on her.

Does anyone here honestly support ten year olds being impregnated? I don’t, I don’t think anyone else on this thread does. You’re raging against a straw man in your own deluded head.

Back when this story first broke, there were indeed a few people arguing that. Others agreed that this girl didn't deserve what she went through and supported the abortion. But it isn't really a strawman when there are politicians saying just that.

 

[Antenna7]

Back when this story first broke, there were indeed a few people arguing that. Others agreed that this girl didn't deserve what she went through and supported the abortion. But it isn't really a strawman when there are politicians saying just that.

You can find someone in any contentious white hot breaking news story saying crazy shit. "Did you see that? The Mormon Woman from Utah wants the 10 year old to have the baby! I knew the entire right wing were child fuckers all along"