Debate user 'Null' if America has Cheese, Meat, and Bread.

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I am making a delicious vegetable stew which I have poured 2 pints of Californian wine into. I will be eating a nice crusty loaf with it I bought locally and putting some nice cotija cheese from Illinois and herbs over it as a finishing touch. Thank you sleepy Joe, for this bounty and thank you Israel.
 
but what kind of cheese is it??


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we have come a looooooong way if we’re now arguing about affordability and quality of life.
It's true Americans eat a lot of goyslop, zogslop, plain old sloppa, and have an unhealthy lifestyle, but it is a personal choice to choose to be a lazy fat pig (or an industrious fat pig who cooks a lot for that matter). In all but the most blasted urban hellscapes, though, it's not from lack of access but lack of taste or inclination.

Short of fresh produce, I can get pretty much anything from pretty much anywhere without even much effort. And I'm not anywhere near a big city though there's a relatively hipster-infested college town less than an hour away. And even small towns these days often have a smattering of the kind of amenities you'd previously only see in hipster havens.

It's pretty nice to come across a microbrewery in a small town, where you can get a quality beer without having to be in a city or hang out with insufferable hipsters or, worse, troons and antifa and other such vermin.
Americans generally have a shitty ability to handle spicy foods, but no Europeans have tolerance whatsoever.
Depends on the country really. I had some Hungarian meatballs a while ago that were blow the top of your head off hot, and mostly just from extremely strong paprika. Hungary is definitely the gold standard for paprika of all levels of sweet and heat.
 
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Even putting aside what you can get where, American taste in these regards is pretty inferior. When most Americans go to the store and pick up swiss cheese, they tend to bring back home an abomination, even if the deli serves up something much better.
Grocery store deli counters are generally pretty bad. Anywhere a dozen varieties of Boar's Head shit is the best they have is bad. They process it so much to make it so it can be sliced by machine that it barely resembles its original form. If you go to one of the few real delis left these days, there'll usually be an old Jewish dude with a really sharp knife slicing meat by hand because real meat is irregular and can't easily be sliced by machine.

If you see that, you can be pretty sure the meat is legit.

I'm not going to say I'm above eating it, but it's a pale imitation of real meat.
Also the variety is nice and all but aside from a few exceptions I would rather have the regional cheeses from my country instead of one from whatever factory of a a far away country.8)
There are some cheeses that just only come from their origin. Nothing from anywhere else compares to Parmigiano Reggiano. I occasionally try a Wisconsin attempt at it, and unless someone has managed to master it recently, the results range from "meh" to "an attempt was made." Same with Stilton. Even a run of the mill brand like Royal Blue is better than anything from we have domestically.

It's not even that Americans can't make a blue cheese. We have some fine Roquefort for instance, just not Stilton. Of course, it's also a Protected Designation of Origin so you can't directly market it as being Stilton but attempts have been made.

Also the best cheddars are English but we definitely have some that give them a run for their money.
 
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We have good meat, and most stores have decent half bakeries.

I'll side with Josh on the cheese the best you can find in the US is butterkase cheese
 
After catching up on the halloween MATI, I realized Nulls problem; he's Florida trash and thinks Walmart is grocery shopping. I will no longer post in this thread because Walmart is for fat retards and he has no idea how to shop as a healthy person in America. Nigger thinks Wholefoods is good LOL.
 
I'm surprised there's not much more talk about just how little Europeans can handle or are even familiar with spicy food. That's the real advantage Americans have over Europe. Hot sauce is practically non-existent there. Americans generally have a shitty ability to handle spicy foods, but no Europeans have tolerance whatsoever.
Because it would just be the Spiderman meme and both sides know it. The lack of hot Sauce and Chilis i can buy IRL here in Eurostan is fucking annoying. That's why i ordered a Chili Seed Set with Serranos, Habaneros, Jalapenos, and Carolina Reapers so i can finally have a hot red Salsa that actually packs a punch.
I remembered one "hot" thing that we Austrians will eat no matter how spicy and painful it is, grated Horseradish. I put hot in quotation marks because it's a different kind of hot than Capsaicin, but it still feels like it and burns in your nose like you're snorting lava.
 
this is retarded
it's like saying 'there is no good schnitzel in italy' and posting a pic of frozen microwave schnitzel from italian walmart equivalent as "proof"
So why are you guys posting pictures of plastic-wrapped mass-produced supermarket cheese as counter-examples to European cheese? That's the point! I'm sure you can find pierogi in America, but 95% of the time, it's gonna be pee-rogi instead. Generally if you want a REAL pierogi, you need a babcia. I have seen that this is even true in Polish memes.

Depends on the country really. I had some Hungarian meatballs a while ago that were blow the top of your head off hot, and mostly just from extremely strong paprika. Hungary is definitely the gold standard for paprika of all levels of sweet and heat.
Yeah, but Hungarian cuisine is noted for that and is the exception.
 
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I can’t imagine living without access to fresh cheese I prefer, if I lived innawoods I’d immediately establish routes to my bougie necessities. 2-5 hour drives are nothing but for good weed, cheese, cured meats and produce. Walmart is for Tupperware and goyslop. I’d drive 2 hours for brined mozz and buratta, 3 hours for feta and Parmesan shavings, from a wheel. You find a way. Being born in the boonies and not knowing what I would be missing is a bliss I wasn’t blessed with.
 
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I think the main issue is that this kind of large scale food production and the resulting economies of scale have resulted in most Americans being unwilling to pay more for food than they absolutely have to, and many are completely unwilling to cook anything themselves, be it due to time constraints - real or imaginary - or laziness.

Companies will produce and sell what their customers demand. You see this with the popularization of meat alternatives and stuff. If there's a market for it, they will find a way to get it into peoples hands, even if they have to hammer out an entirely new infrastructure.

Unfortunately way less people are willing to pay for real, good quality foods than these retarded alternative products they crank out is some huge factory half a world away, so the only ones selling real meat, cheese and bread are much smaller businesses occupying the niches that just aren't worth exploring for the megacorps. So of course, availability of such food is gonna be much spottier and random because unless there's a huge change in the general US diet and food budget stores like Walmart will never carry such things. It just isn't worth their time to stock more perishable foods hardly anyone is willing to pay for.

In Europe, people are simply used to have these things available, so there's a demand that's being catered to. In the US it was willingly phased by consumer behavior out all the way back in the 1950s and 60s:


 
I'm a Eurofag and even I know that it's retarded to speak in generalizations like these. Maybe decades ago it was more accurate but there's been a push for artisanal produce in the US since the 90s at least and the hipsterization of the past fifteen years only means there's a growing consumer base that's very receptive to it.

There's nothing preventing American producers from making food on the same level as European ones and plenty do. The US has a wide enough variety of climates, opportunities and willing entrepeneurs to facilitate it. I remember reading about an American company that won an international award for making a specialty French cheese of which the hallmark was that it was matured in a fucking cave. The Midwestern family that started the business spent decades learning from master cheesemakers, diligently applying all the traditional techniques, recreating the exact conditions for ripening and the end result was something that was easily on par with the original and received accolades for doing so.

What happened afterwards? They were bought by a French conglomerate. No native-born businessmen had any interest. That's the problem with American food production. Not the average consumer necessarily, it's the stain the subsidized agricultural-industrial complex has left. Big food producers have invested heavily in goyslop and see anything else as competition, and the average American consumer often has a surprisingly low opinion of what American produce can be due to a lingering reputation of terrible, mass-produced quality. Hence this fucking thread.

Even a lot of savvy, snobby American consumers are generally going to choose champagne from Champagne over one from Napa Valley, or a Saint-Nectaire from the Auvergne over the one made in Wisconsin. It doesn't matter if they've been proven to be the same in quality for decades now, the relative prestige attached to one pedigree compared to the supposed lack of the other is often enough.

We've been seeing a similar phenomenon with weed legalization. Years ago, all of American weed was shitty mexican brickweed trafficked over the border. Since some large states started decriminalizing, we've seen the quality of American weed surge. America has some of the best weed in the world nowadays.

All europoors have is shitty afghan brickweed. Like technically, anyone in Europe could be growing some bomb ass stuff from mail order seeds in their basements, but it's not in industrial quantities to the point where the market is significantly shifted. Your typical affordable street weed in Europe is shit. Like it used to be shit in America.
The one notable exception is Holland because of the unique situation that's been there for decades.

And even that's changing because professional Dutch growers have been relocating to the US for years now due to a massive shift in the comparative legal freedom afforded by the two countries, enhanced by the obvious attractiveness of the American weed market.
 
Nigger thinks Wholefoods is good LOL.
Whole Foods is only good for anything you can't get elsewhere, because anywhere else that has it is going to be cheaper. Trader Joe's is comparable in quality except you'll only spend a little more than you would at Aldi's. You'd have to be insane to do the bulk of your shopping at WF though.

If you're going to pay WF prices go somewhere real like a Dean & DeLuca.
Yeah, but Hungarian cuisine is noted for that and is the exception.
Portugal and Spain also have some pretty spicy stuff. Even England has some really hot mustard, despite generally being known for bland food. It's not the capsaicin kind of hot, but it's still a quite heady, strong flavor.
I remembered one "hot" thing that we Austrians will eat no matter how spicy and painful it is, grated Horseradish. I put hot in quotation marks because it's a different kind of hot than Capsaicin, but it still feels like it and burns in your nose like you're snorting lava.
Really hot horseradish is one of my favorite intense flavors. It'll also clear out your sinuses if you need that. It's why I don't really mind that most "wasabi" you get in America is basically just colored horseradish. Not that real wasabi doesn't have a unique and pleasant flavor to it, but I like horseradish enough I don't feel ripped off to get it.
 
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There's a grocery store chain in Texas called central market and it's owned by H.E.B and it's only in big cities and it's super duper fancy and huge. I've been to the one in Houston and it's fucking ridiculous. Last time I was there I bought truffle. The meat and seafood hallway is comical.
 
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