Debate user "Sage In All Fields" on if men should want to fuck 14-year-olds

[Illuminati Order Official]

You think that because I make you feel a certain way this must be true of my attitude towards every other person.

Legal systems in the civilized world agree with us that fucking 14-years-old girls is wrong.

There's a difference, it's just not significant enough to justify depriving the 14 year old me of his autonomy.

14 years old people are functionally retarded. Hell, I would argue that even most 18 years old people are functionally retarded. There is a reason why it's illegal to drink until you hit 21.

The truth is that when I find people who are smarter than me I ask questions and I listen, and with those less intelligent than me as long as they're nice to me I go out of my way to adjust to their level and avoid patronizing them. Just because someone is less intelligent that doesn't mean they're not worthwhile, good or competent people. I'm not the kind of person whose 'too proud' to associate with those less intelligent than me.

This sounds like an edgy shut-in teenager thinking he's the smartest person in the room because for most of his life he's the only person in the room.

However, when it comes to people like those in this thread who would sooner see me hanged for opposing their nonsensical opinions, I see very little reason to show any respect, but I digress.

No, we want you mocked and ridiculed for justifying pedophilia. We would want to see you hang if you actually practiced those beliefs by grooming and raping children.

 

[Sage In All Fields]

Legal systems in the civilized world agree with us that fucking 14-years-old girls is wrong.

Notwithstanding the fact that this is just factually incorrect, the so-called civilized world also believes eunuchs are women.

14 years old people are functionally retarded. Hell, I would argue that even most 18 years old people are functionally retarded. There is a reason why it's illegal to drink until you hit 21.

So why exactly shouldn't we raise the age of consent to 21? Surely this would help to mitigate the supposedly inherent functional retardation of 18 year olds?

No, we want you mocked and ridiculed for justifying pedophilia.

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[Illuminati Order Official]

Notwithstanding the fact that this is just factually incorrect, the so-called civilized world also believes eunuchs are women.

Yeah, I've seen your Muslim larp and you're right, I don't count it as civilized world.

So why exactly shouldn't we raise the age of consent to 21? Surely this would help to mitigate the supposedly inherent functional retardation of 18 year olds?

I wouldn't oppose it. For me someone who never lived on their own is too immature and inexperienced to be a sexual partner anyway.

 

[Sage In All Fields]

I don't count it as civilized world.

I was talking about Europe.

I wouldn't oppose it. For me someone who never lived on their own is too immature and inexperienced to be a sexual partner anyway.

At least you're consistent, I assume then that you also believe people under 21 shouldn't be having sex with each other by this same logic right?

 

[Illuminati Order Official]

I was talking about Europe.

So: Muslim land, as I said.

At least you're consistent, I assume then that you also believe people under 21 shouldn't be having sex with each other by this same logic right?

It would certainly help in avoiding some problems like unwanted teen pregnancies and messed up lives. But on the other hand - if we treat them as retards we can't hold them accountable due to their retardation.

 

[Sage In All Fields]

So: Muslim land, as I said.

This was the case before mass immigration, so that doesn't really help you.

It would certainly help in avoiding some problems like unwanted teen pregnancies and messed up lives. But on the other hand - if we treat them as retards we can't hold them accountable due to their retardation.

You're already treating them like retards, you may as well go all in. It sounds like you just expect people to live in padded cells until they wake up and magically become mature, people don't work that way. You can increase the age of consent forever and it will never fix the problem.

 

[Illuminati Order Official]

This was the case before mass immigration, so that doesn't really help you.

Strasbourg Court decriminalized homosexuality in 1981 leading to decriminalization in individual European countries. So no, believing that eunuchs are women is relatively new.

You're already treating them like retards, you may as well go all in. It sounds like you just expect people to live in padded cells until they wake up and magically become mature, people don't work that way. You can increase the age of consent forever and it will never fix the problem.

I believe in people getting their education, learning how to work and how to properly function in society before they focus on fucking. It's more like you want to groom a kid to be your tradwife and live in a padded cell of your making for the rest of her life.

 

[Sage In All Fields]

Strasbourg Court decriminalized homosexuality in 1981 leading to decriminalization in individual European countries. So no, believing that eunuchs are women is relatively new.

I have no idea how you thought this made sense as a response to anything that was being said.

I believe in people getting their education, learning how to work and how to properly function in society before they focus on fucking. It's more like you want to groom a kid to be your tradwife and live in a padded cell of your making for the rest of her life.

I don't believe in that, also the vast majority of women shouldn't be working in the first place.

 

[Illuminati Order Official]

I don't believe in that, also the vast majority of women shouldn't be working in the first place.

Yeah, figures. You wouldn't want them to have any way to escape from abusive relationships with pedophile groomers: no support group and no means to support themselves. You don't want them to learn anything about the world because then they would learn that pretty much any alternative is better than marriage with someone like you.

 

[Sage In All Fields]

Yeah, figures. You wouldn't want them to have any way to escape from abusive relationships with pedophile groomers: no support group and no means to support themselves. You don't want them to learn anything about the world because then they would learn that pretty much any alternative is better than marriage with someone like you.

This is an interesting theory, but it doesn't explain why I think the same applies to young men. There's also the fact that most women have a support group called their family and that school is not a prerequisite to education (in fact I'd argue it's detrimental but that's a whole other discussion), especially in the age of the internet and easy access to books.

 

[Illuminati Order Official]

This is an interesting theory, but it doesn't explain why I think the same applies to young men.

I'm against boys being groomed by adult women as much as I am against girls being groomed by adult men. Everything I said applies if you reverse the situation.

There's also the fact that most women have a support group called their family and that school is not a prerequisite to education, especially in the age of the internet and easy access to books.

Books selected by her "loving" husband, I assume?
Family that allows their 14 years old daughter to be fucked by an adult man is a terrible family by default and by no means can be called a support group.
And I meant work more than education. If she works she has her own money and that gives her a chance to escape from an abusive marriage.

 

[Sage In All Fields]

I'm against boys being groomed by adult women as much as I am against girls being groomed by adult men. Everything I said applies if you reverse the situation.

You are missing the point. If it is as you say, then it doesn't explain why I would going out of my way to defend the same for young men since there's no egoistic 'predatory' interest served by that. It also doesn't explain the fact that I've been defending this since I myself was a young man, since again there is no 'predatory' interest served by that.

Books selected by her "loving" husband, I assume?

I'm confused, do you think public libraries don't exist or something? I welcome everyone to use my library, I don't confine them to it. This wouldn't even make sense since my library doesn't cover every topic, why would I want the mother of my children to be an incompetent teacher?

Family that allows their 14 years old daughter to be fucked by an adult man is a terrible family by default and by no means can be called a support group.

Got it, so any support group has to agree with your worldview or it's not a real support group. Methinks the pot calls the kettle black.

And I meant work more than education. If she works she has her own money and that gives her a chance to escape from an abusive marriage.

Alternatively she could just go to her parents... you know... like what actually happens in real life.

 

[Illuminati Order Official]

You are missing the point. If it is as you say, then it doesn't explain why I would going out of my way to defend the same for young men since there's no egoistic 'predatory' interest served by that. It also doesn't explain the fact that I've been defending this since I myself was a young man, since again there is no 'predatory' interest served by that.

All this proves is that you are OK with pedophilia and you don't care about gender of the pedophile.

Got it, so any support group has to inherently agree with your world view or it's not a real support group. Methinks the pot calls the kettle black.

Disagreeing with me is one thing. I can acknowledge that both conservative and liberal parents can be a great support group. I can acknowledge that people of any religious and cultural background can be a great support group.
Giving children do pedophiles is another thing. People who give their kids to pedophiles can't be a good support group.

Alternatively she could just go to her parents... you know... like what actually happens in real life.

If they sent her to live with a pedophile once how can I be sure they won't do it again? They are terrible parents. Without her own money she has a choice between two abusive and dysfunctional households.

 

[Sage In All Fields]

All this proves is that you are OK with pedophilia and you don't care about gender of the pedophile.

Let's take this step by step since you're clearly having difficulty with this: wouldn't it be a much easier case to defend if I restricted it only to the group I'm supposedly preying on?

Disagreeing with me is one thing. I can acknowledge that both conservative and liberal parents can be a great support group. I can acknowledge that people of any religious and cultural background can be a great support group.
Giving children do pedophiles is another thing. People who give their kids to pedophiles can't be a good support group.

This is doublespeak. You accept some amount of differing from your beliefs, but you demand that people comply in others matter. All people believe this, but it's dishonest to act like you don't. You would turn women against their families, their husbands and their children for the sake of your beliefs. If I am a predator, then so too are you.

 

[Kiwisee]

For reference, this is what 14-18 year olds look like:

As you can see, they’re still very much children.

Fucking kill your self you pretentious pedophile.

 

[Illuminati Order Official]

Let's take this step by step since you're clearly having difficulty with this: wouldn't it be a much easier case to defend if I restricted it only to the group I'm supposedly preying on?

You're defending exactly same thing: pedophilia.

This is doublespeak. You accept some amount of differing from your beliefs, but you demand that people comply in others matter.

That's true. I expect people to not be pedophiles if they expect me to respect their beliefs.

You would turn women against their families, their husbands and their children for the sake of your beliefs.

My beliefs that pedophilia is wrong? Yes, I would like every single person on Earth to turn against pedophiles.
And where am I in all this? We know that you don't want women to work. So they shouldn't have their own agenda as well?

If I am a predator, then so too are you.

I don't want to fuck 14 years old girls.

 

[Kiwisee]

For any parents lurking in this thread, here’s a link that I hope helps you to catch on to a few red flags.

And here’s another source talking about why teens go along with grooming.

Fun fact; the brain doesn’t stop growing until 25. No seriously. That’s the whole reason why teens tend to be more likely to act on impulse than adults.

There is no reason why any sane adult should want to fuck someone in their early teens; the only ones who do have ulterior motives that boils down wanting someone that’s easy to control.

Sage admitted it himself, but lacks the self awareness to fully realize it.

 

[Sage In All Fields]

For reference, this is what 14-18 year olds look like:View attachment 4148301View attachment 4148304View attachment 4148307

As you can see, they’re still very much children.

Fucking kill your self you pretentious pedophile.

Which ones are supposed to be the 14 year olds?

You're defending exactly same thing: pedophilia.

You didn't answer the question.

I don't want to fuck 14 years old girls.

There isn't much point wringing your hands about the supposed potential for abuse and control then if it has nothing to do with your objection.

Fun fact; the brain doesn’t stop growing until 25. No seriously. That’s the whole reason why teens tend to be more likely to act on impulse than adults.

This is not true cross-culturally and it's caused by people having this expectation of them. See the Scientific American article I cited in my OP.

 

[Illuminati Order Official]

You didn't answer the question.

Assuming you are a pedophile you would benefit from normalizing pedophilia.

There isn't much point wringing your hands about the supposed potential for abuse and control then if it has nothing to do with your objection.

I addressed every sentence in that paragraph. My objection is to adult people having sex with 14 years old kids. I call it pedophilia and I find no justification for it.

 

[Kiwisee]

Which ones are supposed to be the 14 year olds?


You didn't answer the question.


There isn't much point wringing your hands about the supposed potential for abuse and control then if it has nothing to do with your objection.


This is not true cross-culturally and it's caused by people having this expectation of them. See the Scientific American article I cited in my OP.

The fact that you can’t differentiate between a 14 year old and an 18 year old is far more revealing about you than you realize.

Either you’re too retarded to tell the difference or you’re being willfully obtuse.

Regardless, those are all still kids that you’re arguing you want to be able to legally fuck. And you know damn well they’re children. It’s clear to just about any observer that those are children; doesn’t matter if they’re in the middle of puberty or not.

“It’s Amuricun so it doesn’t count cause not enough niggers from other cultures approved it” isn’t an argument. If you’re going to argue against the field of neuroscience then be my guest; it doesn’t change the fact that you want to fuck kids.

What, do you want a citation which has all the diversity hires to cross cultural reference it, faggot?

Do you realize what website this is, you dumb nigger? We call out groomers of all cultural and sexual backgrounds; what made you think you’re immune to the same standards we hold them to?

Nigger faggots like you who use KF to troll shield are pathetic.