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DevilDog

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The lines between Chris' delusion and his denial seem to blur a lot of the time. How many of his actions are based off of his genuine delusion that he is the most important thing in the world, and how many are based off of his constant denial. Take his FB post about bombing the Game Place, was that motivated by his genuine anger that he had been UNJUSTLY WRONGED, or was it because he had to deny any sort of responsibility and shift the blame onto someone else. Or his occasional insistence we're jealous of him, is he so far deluded as to believe his life is in any way desirable, or is it just a way of coping with his depressing life? Kind of an abstract and possibly answerless question but I wanted to know if anyone had any insights.
 
Well denial implies you're aware of the situation, but you won't own up to it. In delusion, you genuinely believe an untruth
 
Hmm, does this quote make him delusional, or in denial?

Our Pet Lolcow said:
EVEN if I am living a lie, I'd rather live this lie than believe that truth ever. I AM RESISTANT TO THE CHANGE!
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raymond said:
Hmm, does this quote make him delusional, or in denial?

Our Pet Lolcow said:
EVEN if I am living a lie, I'd rather live this lie than believe that truth ever. I AM RESISTANT TO THE CHANGE!
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Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, denial? He's saying he doesn't want to accept reality if it's not how he likes it, so denial. When did he say that BTW?
 
DevilDog said:
raymond said:
Hmm, does this quote make him delusional, or in denial?

Our Pet Lolcow said:
EVEN if I am living a lie, I'd rather live this lie than believe that truth ever. I AM RESISTANT TO THE CHANGE!
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Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, denial? He's saying he doesn't want to accept reality if it's not how he likes it, so denial. When did he say that BTW?
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Nah, he says that as a hypothetical. Anyway, in practice, most of his thoughts about aspergers are just how much he hates it, not about its specific relation to autism. He hates being associated with it, also the word "ass" he hears bothers him? Something like that.
 
Marvin said:
Nah, he says that as a hypothetical. Anyway, in practice, most of his thoughts about aspergers are just how much he hates it, not about its specific relation to autism. He hates being associated with it, also the word "ass" he hears bothers him? Something like that.
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I thought it was more his jealousy that they were "stealing his limelight".

Which is ironic, because since he basically has aspergers himself, all he's really jealous of is that other people with his same condition are doing more with their lives than he feels like doing. He's mad that their success gives his critics ammo.
 
Alec Benson Leary said:
Which is ironic, because since he basically has aspergers himself, all he's really jealous of is that other people with his same condition are doing more with their lives than he feels like doing. He's mad that their success gives his critics ammo.
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Is Chris capable of that kind of insight?
 
In Chris's mind, he is a perfect autistic warrior that has overcome so much just by breathing that everyone should bend over to make him happy.
 
Alec Benson Leary said:
Marvin said:
Nah, he says that as a hypothetical. Anyway, in practice, most of his thoughts about aspergers are just how much he hates it, not about its specific relation to autism. He hates being associated with it, also the word "ass" he hears bothers him? Something like that.
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I thought it was more his jealousy that they were "stealing his limelight".

Which is ironic, because since he basically has aspergers himself, all he's really jealous of is that other people with his same condition are doing more with their lives than he feels like doing. He's mad that their success gives his critics ammo.
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Pretty much this I would say. When you look at all his rants about slow-in-the-minds, how he "cultivated the first generation of autistics", and his rants about aspergers, the picture it paints is Chris wants everyone to acknowledge his autistic specialness and fawn over him and ignore everybody else with mental disorders. This is especially true because, even if he doesn't want to admit it aloud, he's at least somewhat aware that people with aspergers essentially have the same diagnosis he has. So he tard rages and calls them competing retards because in his deluded mind he thinks that if it wasn't for asperger's syndrome more people would fawn over him, like they probably did as a kid in school.
 
I don't think he's delusional. He just says whatever makes him feel good at that particular moment, and doesn't think through the implications at all.
His stuff about being contacted by God and Patti's ghost I'd count as delusions if he honestly believed it, but who really knows?
 
Henry Bemis said:
BigAltheGreat921 said:
By saying the whole "cultivation" thing, Chris is claiming he is the FIRST EVER AUTISTIC. That's pretty delusional.

And he denies reality constantly. It's his biggest and best defense mechanism.
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Doesn't cultivating a generation usually involve...you know, sex?
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I think it's more like he's claiming to be a trailblazer, like Susan B. Anthony was for women's rights, or Martin Luther King, Jr. was for the Civil Rights Movement, showing the world what autistic people are capable of and leaving a legacy for autistics to live up to.

He is a trailblazer, in the sense of "look at how much the internet lets people make asses of themselves!"
 
Poor Chris. He hates people thinking that he's retarded, so he lashes out at other people with mental disorders.

Makes me wonder if the other kids in school teased him by calling him retarded or something. I think he hates being called that even more than he hates being called naive.

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He is a trailblazer, in the sense of "look at how much the internet lets people make asses of themselves!"
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Christian Weston Chandler, Cultivator of the First Generation of Lolcows!
 
DevilDog said:
The lines between Chris' delusion and his denial seem to blur a lot of the time. How many of his actions are based off of his genuine delusion that he is the most important thing in the world, and how many are based off of his constant denial. Take his FB post about bombing the Game Place, was that motivated by his genuine anger that he had been UNJUSTLY WRONGED, or was it because he had to deny any sort of responsibility and shift the blame onto someone else. Or his occasional insistence we're jealous of him, is he so far deluded as to believe his life is in any way desirable, or is it just a way of coping with his depressing life? Kind of an abstract and possibly answerless question but I wanted to know if anyone had any insights.
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Chris was nurtured in an atmosphere of total delusion about who he is and what he is capable of. Whenever legitimate proof that he's wrong threatens to burst that balloon, he switches to denial to keep it at bay. As he said many times in his Mailbag, his mind is "closed to" anything that upsets his beliefs.
 
pickleniggo said:
Alec Benson Leary said:
Which is ironic, because since he basically has aspergers himself, all he's really jealous of is that other people with his same condition are doing more with their lives than he feels like doing. He's mad that their success gives his critics ammo.
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Is Chris capable of that kind of insight?
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Insight, no. He has no idea of it on a conscious level, or even a subconscious level. It's really just purely factual. Other people with the same condition are doing better than him, they get recognition for it, Chris doesn't like others being recognized whether they deserve it or not.
 
Alec Benson Leary said:
pickleniggo said:
Alec Benson Leary said:
Which is ironic, because since he basically has aspergers himself, all he's really jealous of is that other people with his same condition are doing more with their lives than he feels like doing. He's mad that their success gives his critics ammo.
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Is Chris capable of that kind of insight?
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Insight, no. He has no idea of it on a conscious level, or even a subconscious level. It's really just purely factual. Other people with the same condition are doing better than him, they get recognition for it, Chris doesn't like others being recognized whether they deserve it or not.
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He seems to take a great pride in the whole "they said I'd never speak" thing.

But really his inability to talk at a young age was more to do with his upbringing (or lack of) than any mental illness. That's if you believe Cole Smithy's account of the way Chris was treated as an infant of course.
 
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