Opinion Democrats Have a Man Problem - How do we trick men into voting for us without actually giving them anything? Part XX

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Chances are low that Joe Rogan will save your soul—or your party. Since Donald Trump’s election victory, countless Democrats have lamented their party’s losses among men, and young men, in particular. One refrain has been a yearning for a “Rogan of the left” who might woo back all the dudes who have migrated to MAGA. If the wishfulness is misplaced, the underlying problem is real: Trump carried men by roughly 12 points in November, including 57 percent of men under 30.

I recently spoke with Democrats across different levels of leadership to see how they were trying to address this electorally lethal gender gap. Two theories for how to win back men, I found, are bubbling up. One is to improve the party’s cultural appeal to men, embracing rather than scolding masculinity. The other is to focus on more traditional messaging about the economy, on the assumption that if Democrats build an agenda for blue-collar America, the guys will follow.

These approaches are not necessarily in conflict, but they each present a challenge for the modern Democratic Party. And as pundits and consultants peddle their rival solutions, they highlight another risk: Even if Democrats can settle on a message, will voters believe they really mean it?

Representative Jake Auchincloss of Massachusetts is one of many Democrats who believe that the party has to make a serious, sustained outreach effort to connect with men. What Democrats should not say or do seems more obvious than what they should proactively offer. “No one wants to hear men talk about masculinity,” Auchincloss, a former Marine, told me. “We’re not going to orient society’s decision making to the cognitive worldview of a 16-year-old male.”

Even as he disavowed the idea that solving the guy problem should involve some promotion of testosterone-laced pandering, Auchincloss suggested that the party ought to find its way to a more positive, inspirational message. “We need to embrace a culture of heroism, not a culture of victimhood. Young men need models for their ambition,” he said.

Senator Chris Murphy of Connecticut also notes liberal squeamishness about masculine themes; he says the party is losing male voters in part because even talking about the need to improve the lives of men could run afoul of what he calls the “word police” on the left. Murphy told me, “There’s a worry that when you start talking about gender differences and masculinity, that you’re going to very quickly get in trouble.” The Democratic Party, he thinks, has not been purposeful enough in opening up a conversation with men in general and young men specifically. “There is a reluctance inside the progressive movement to squarely acknowledge gender differences, and that has really put us on the back foot.”

For Murphy, the right message might come from an earlier era—a notion that could seem antithetical to the very idea of progressivism. “We cannot and shouldn’t abandon some of the traditional ways that men find value and meaning: in providing protection, in taking high levels of risk, in taking pride in physical work,” he told me. “There’s a lot of worry that all of those traditional male characteristics are somehow illegitimate.”

So far, the GOP seems to be doing a far more effective job of engaging male voters in ways that reflect the reality of today’s popular culture. Trump has embraced UFC’s Dana White, and has made grand entrances at MMA fights. (Years before he ran for president, Trump would appear at pro-wrestling events, and he is a member of the WWE hall of fame.) “We have to go where people are consuming culture and sports and entertainment,” Auchincloss told me, “and talk about issues of the day in a way that is coded for political orientation but that is more broadly accessible and interesting.”

Last fall, Senator Ruben Gallego of Arizona tried this Go where the men are concept. “We should do anything to reach out to voters,” he told me. “And that means men.” Gallego argues that Democrats have been too hesitant to directly address men’s everyday reality, and that this is a grave mistake. “Black, Latino, and white men are not doing well in this country. They’re not obtaining college degrees,” Gallego said. “If we were to look at the numbers and just take out the gender, we would say, Wow, that group of Americans needs some attention. But all of a sudden, if you add the little m next to that, it’s somehow something that we shouldn’t be worried about—and I reject that.”

Gallego’s Senate-campaign stops included boxing gyms, soccer watch parties, and Mexican rodeos. Trump won the state at the presidential level by more than five percentage points, but Gallego defeated his Republican challenger, Kari Lake, in the Senate battle with a 2.4 percent margin. “I think the voters, the male voters, understood that I understood them and what they were going through,” he said.

The conundrum for Democrats that Murphy identifies is that they are ill-equipped to compete with Republicans for a jacked-up version of manhood because doing so would cut against the interests and rights of a crucial bloc of their coalition: women. “Now the right is offering a really irresponsible antidote, which is to just roll all the progress back and return to an era in which men were dominant politically and economically,” Murphy said. But as cartoonish as MAGA hypermasculinity is, it sends out a signal that “matters to a lot of men—that only the right really cares about the way in which they’re feeling pretty shitty.”

No one I spoke with suggested that the Democratic Party would (or should) ever abandon its positions on women’s rights. “I don’t think you have to move away from anything to be inclusive of other things,” Representative James Clyburn of South Carolina told me. One possible Democratic plan, so far as I could discern it, was to keep expanding the parameters of acceptable discourse and opinions, rather than box themselves in. Clyburn said he was surprised to see so many young men break for Trump in November. He believes that his party has gotten itself into a quagmire. “We’ve set ourselves up for this messaging war that we’re losing,” Clyburn told me. “In the last election,” he said, “sound bites that developed around gender inequity caused serious problems. And they’re still causing problems.”

Or maybe sound bites are not the problem.

Last fall, the Democratic strategist James Carville was “certain” that Kamala Harris would defeat Donald Trump. If Carville had adhered to his own maxim—It’s the economy, stupid—he might have seen Trump’s victory coming. One lesson of 2024, some of the elected officials I spoke with said, was that Democratic power brokers were woefully oblivious of the economic struggles of working-class Americans. They also suggested that the project of winning back the working class and the project of winning back men were one and the same.

Voters, the admittedly simple theory goes, will support the candidate and party that they believe will improve their daily lives. The MAGA movement has done a keen job of tapping into the discontent and resentment that many men feel over declining job prospects. Democrats need to compete by offering a material path out of despair.

“The young men that I’m talking to are not in love with politics, period,” Senator Raphael Warnock of Georgia told me. “They want their lives to work. And it’s important that people feel you walking with them and hearing them.” Warnock was adamant that, contrary to certain media narratives, Trump did not triumph in a landslide victory. “He won by the margin of people’s disengagement, because they feel the ways in which the democracy is becoming increasingly undemocratic,” he said. “And my job is not for them to hear my voice; it is to give the people their voice.”

The crucial way to reengage disaffected men, multiple Democrats told me, is to champion an economy that “works like Legos, not Monopoly,” as Auchincloss put it. “An economy where we are building more technical vocational high schools, and we are celebrating the craftsmanship of the trades so that young men have a sense of autonomy and being a provider.” Murphy said that his party should aim to build the sort of middle-class prosperity that enables one breadwinner to support a family of four, allowing one parent to choose to be a homemaker.

But if Democrats believe that Lego economic policies could be popular, they also know that many voters associate the party with government handouts and top-down programs, which, on the whole, are not very popular. This is something the MAGA movement has figured out, painting all Democrats as out-of-touch, coastal elites.

For Representative Marie Gluesenkamp Perez of Washington State, the party’s primary political problem is undoubtedly class—which is not something that a change of messaging from “the consultant-industrial complex” can fix, she told me. Rather, authenticity is the only way to make true connections. Voters don’t want to be humored, she believes; they want to be heard. “People who are trying to signal some kind of an alignment with the working class are just undermining themselves,” she said. “The donor class needs to pay more attention to how rooted a candidate is in their community, and less about whether or not a candidate ticks every ideological or policy box.”

She stressed the importance of people knowing that their representatives “are actually living in the same reality” as they are—and that a white-collar professional is not always the best fit. She believes that people want to see themselves in their representatives. “There are so many nonpolitical ways to communicate your values that haven’t been respected or exercised,” she told me. Gluesenkamp Perez has gained a national profile for the way she aims to speak for the sort of blue-collar America that many Democrats realize they’ve become disconnected from. She and her husband own an auto repair shop in the Pacific Northwest, and she won reelection in a Republican district that’s supported Trump in the past three elections. “Being able to make a clutch last for 500,000 miles—that’s really cool to a lot of people,” she told me.

“I think about all the ways that I’ve seen this sort of unconscious disrespect for people in the trades,” she said. “I’ll hear people say, ‘Well, you know, my dad was just a janitor, and I’m the first person in my family to go to college,’ and I’m like, What does that sound like to everyone in the room who didn’t go to college? That you think you’re better than them.”

What became clear from my conversations was that Democrats want to get back to eye level with their potential voters, particularly men. But, as Clyburn and others acknowledged, the party’s progressive social agenda can be an obstacle to its moderate wing. At her town halls, Gluesenkamp Perez told me, she has found her constituents especially fired up over the rules about trans women in sports—an issue that Trump has inflamed.

“What I saw was that those people were mostly people that had been driving their girls to sports practice for 12 years, and their kids’ best shot at going to college was a scholarship,” she told me. “This was an argument about resource access, not about morality.” Gluesenkamp Perez has sometimes crossed over to side with the GOP, but she recently voted against Republican-sponsored legislation to keep transgender women and girls out of school sports.

She also told me that having a real values discussion is impossible until voters feel respected, and that a candidate is listening to them. A genuine curiosity about the lives of the people who send you to Congress is not a mere nicety but an essential quality for Democrats who seem remote to the people they represent. “A lot of my colleagues just go out there and try to explain stuff to people all the time,” Gluesenkamp Perez said. “A lot of us don’t really have confidence that the spreadsheets they’re pointing to are the full picture.”

Just being real could help Democrats appeal to voters of all stripes, but they have to hope that it will resonate with disaffected men—particularly young men—who may have turned toward Trump. Democrats may not have to bend their values completely out of shape to suit the political environment, but they can’t afford to write anyone off.
 
“I don’t think you have to move away from anything to be inclusive of other things,” Representative James Clyburn of South Carolina told me.
Yes, you do, you retard. If one group of your coalition has an agenda that hurts another group, you can not be inclusive of both groups. You have to pick a side. And the Democrats have loudly, obnoxiously, and repeatedly picked their side: women, POCs, and trannies. They can't pretend to be accommodating other groups without renouncing specific policies and agenda goals from one of these groups.

The real part they don't want to admit is that there is conflict between those 3 groups, and it's finally lost them enough ground to lose elections. Trannies overwhelmingly harm women, POCs harm trannies, POC groups compete with and harm each other, and women (feminism) harm the men in every POC community they get a stronghold in.

“What I saw was that those people were mostly people that had been driving their girls to sports practice for 12 years, and their kids’ best shot at going to college was a scholarship,” she told me. “This was an argument about resource access, not about morality.” Gluesenkamp Perez has sometimes crossed over to side with the GOP, but she recently voted against Republican-sponsored legislation to keep transgender women and girls out of school sports.

Wow, what an amazing blue-collar respecter! What a moderate class-conscious person who listens to the people she claims to care about! She thinks the consultant class is out of touch, and their values are out of whack, that the progressive coastal elites shouldn't disregard the non-college people trying to give their kids a leg up.

And she believes that so much she votes with the progressive coastal elite consultants, against those very people who spent 12 years trying to help their daughters. This is the great blue hope for blue-collar centrism.

What an irredeemable, disgusting gang of liars and fake moralizers. The entire party deserves to burn, fake blue-collar sympathizers first.
 
“No one wants to hear men talk about masculinity,” Auchincloss, a former Marine, told me. We’re not going to orient society’s decision making to the cognitive worldview of a 16-year-old male.”
Even as he disavowed the idea that solving the guy problem should involve some promotion of testosterone-laced pandering
He/Him cries out in "inclusion" as he Coalition of the Fringes you.

“Black, Latino, and white men
The homosexual/feminist/troon reporter has internalized Spiteful Mutant language so much he didn't even think twice about it in an article about the Left alienating straight White men.

And if you pointed it out, no doubt the urinalist would insist he was only following the Insufferable Faggot Atlantic Journalist Style Guide (Revised Floydmas Edition), without a moment's thought that that might be a problem.

“The young men that I’m talking to are not in love with politics, period,” Senator Raphael Warnock of Georgia told me
As a blackity blacktivist politician, 100% of Warnock's time is spent around obese single-mothers who resent men. The only young men he's talking to are their fatherless children who haven't become delinquents yet.

What possible insight would he have, and what would his extremely shrill voting base let him do with it?
 
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The Dems basically got rid of all their biggest supporters. Even funnier, for as much as they go off about Musk and Rogan, they literally had both of them as supporters for years, till randomly deciding to denounce them. Rogan was denounced because of Covid, but Musk is baffling as Biden just decided to randomly screw over his space operations for no reason.

It wasn't random, and it wasn't Biden. The DNC made Musk persona non grata when he started going after twitter. He blew up probably their largest bughive, then opened the gates to expose them for trying to use the CIA's regime change playbook on US citizens. He will never be welcomed back to the left after the institutional damage he caused to the DNC machine, and he knows it.
 
Biden only had one term, do you mean the first year?
Yeah, edited after posting.

Not fully sure as trying to find it, but I swear Biden had a no shooting off spacecrafts in his first year because of economy or something…
Made a message about how they will remain grounded.

I am sure someone in this thread can correct me, but if it was the case, it would make perfect sense as to why Elon turned after being glazed by the Left.
 
Rogan was denounced because of Covid, but Musk is baffling as Biden just decided to randomly screw over his space operations for no reason.
Musk bought their main narrative piece in Twitter after they fucked with the Babylon Bee, and trooning his son was another massive factor. His decision was very reasonable - no real father is going to tolerate his son being violated like that if they have any say.
 
“Black, Latino, and white men
Capital B, Capital L, lower case w. I wonder why men, especially White men are voting against you when every rule you make is to their determent. The DNC elections had to be paused because by their bylaws White men don't count as any identity and there must be a variety of identities (it's ok if zero White men though). DEI creates scores which White men are a negative. Where your party leaders hear White men suicide is rising and they are recorded saying "Yeah, great" and received laughter from his peers. https://www.newscentermaine.com/art...d-joke-at-democratic-party-event/97-432616664

Trying to get Hassan to be your Diet Rogan won't do anything. You are never getting 1/2 the votes you lost back in this lifetime. And now you created a massive identity voting bloc that's opposed to you and will be difficult to pander to without disrupting your whole stack.

There's a massive difference between pandering to minorities, and flat out saying the majority should be destroyed. Thank God for your hubris, or you may have set us on the path that South Africa will never recover from.
 
“What I saw was that those people were mostly people that had been driving their girls to sports practice for 12 years, and their kids’ best shot at going to college was a scholarship,” she told me. “This was an argument about resource access, not about morality.” Gluesenkamp Perez has sometimes crossed over to side with the GOP, but she recently voted against Republican-sponsored legislation to keep transgender women and girls out of school sports.

Even this "I eat carburetors for breakfast" ass bitch cannot tell the truth. She has to phrase it back to democratic code, that is, if the democrats were in power there would be plenty of gibs to go around (to non-whites) and you'd stop caring about men in skirts playing sports against your daughter because she'd still go to college or some shit?

If there's one extra curricular working class families spend time and money on, it's sports and no, other than the darkest gorilla niggers it's rarely just to get a scholarship, thats nice if it happens, sure. It's because the parents played and their parents did the same for them. It's part of the culture. And because it's part of long standing culture, every single person who isn't ideologically obligated knows men in womens sports is retarded and unfair.

Bringing it back to Ms. Auto repair, that means anyone who saw what she voted for, despite her attempting to be some working class renegade Democrat, knows that either she is 1. A liar or 2. A pussy. And they wonder why men don't vote for them. That it's a problem of "messaging"

My hate is pure.
 
This ^

The Dems basically got rid of all their biggest supporters. Even funnier, for as much as they go off about Musk and Rogan, they literally had both of them as supporters for years, till randomly deciding to denounce them. Rogan was denounced because of Covid, but Musk is baffling as Biden just decided to randomly screw over his space operations for no reason.
A guess from the Philip DeFranco Show (left-wing news on youtube) is that Biden is very pro-union, and snubbed Musk because Musk is so anti-union at his companies.
 
Why should I vote for a party that openly hates me and whose entire platform is dedicated to making my life worse?

This is the part that the modern left is incapable of seeing. They are so high on the smell of their own farts that they genuinely cannot understand why the people they spent the last decade treating like a disease in need of curing would regard them as enemies.

It just doesn't make liberal sense!

These fuckers brag about how sick they are of having to walk into rooms and see White men's faces.

They openly laugh at the suffering of men in general and White men in particular.

They introduce regulations and even entire departments, the sole purpose of which are to remove White men from the work force.

Their problem isn't that White men aren't getting their message— it's that they are.
 
Trump is slowing white disposession but he's not even close to stopping or reversing it. With the right kind of marketing, I don't see any reason why the next generation of Pablos, Pajeets and Quantavius' can't be persuaded to vote Dem via a new Instagram vote feature.

Face it; the anti-white party will be back in business soon.
 
2008 signaled the death of conservatism. And they still haven't fully acknowledged that they were fundamentally wrong about this, and that conservatism is alive and growing, and MAGA populism isn't just some scattered and particularly die-hard loyalists still bitterly fighting it out 16 years after Republicans "lost" for good.
in a way they were right, the Romney style republicans have all but ceased to exist by the current year (2025) which is what they expected to happen after 8 years of hilary.

Unfortunately they didn't realize how the overton window naturally leads to fracturing and opposition, even during the more blatant "one party" eras of US history, you tended to end up with enough people breaking off to jumpstart a new party. like how the whigs that didn't suck started the GOP, and how the democrats under the era of good feelings divided to the point where you had 4 different democrats all with different views that had a shot of being president in 1824.

the GOP is basically a skin suit for vance style alt-right views now. the tea party started taking out enough important members of the neo-con era gop in the 2010s that trump could ursup the throne and now everyone agrees with the type of shit Vance says.

the democrats didn't realize someone would eventually become the opposition and from what hilary's team has said, they were so out of touch they naturally assumed Trump's rather moderate views would be considered too extreme to voters. Which does make a slight bit of sense if you remember the 3rd party fuck ups of the 90s, unfortunately Hilary didn't ask Bill, who would have told her what he told trump. "you primary your way up the GOP and they'll be forced to back you" which is why trump stopped being banned from fox news and stopped having so many hitpieces run by ben shapiro and other major conservative sites once he won the nomination.
I'd argue it could have a tremendous effect, just not the one they'd want. Though they're not exactly known for great hindsight, so I say do it. Put your screeching soybro on the big stage and see how it goes.
i think this is why the people up top haven't pushed him, despite being king of twitch and having everything else going for him, its obvious to anyone that doesn't fantasize about sucking his cock that he's a complete fucking idiot and too feminine for normal people to like, everything from the way he fed posts to the way he dresses screams he's got nothing resembling masculinity in him which is why he's on the left and also why his reputation is shit. even if Joe Rogan dropped dead last year, guys like Theo Von or Shane Gillis or countless other dudes could take his place and thats why they're all called right wing despite just being dudes with surface level opinions and a love of sports. the sort of personality you have to have to be a leftist in the modern era if you're under 50 means you have to be so offputting to people that the dems are better off not showing you to the public.
 
This shit is so typical of the modern left and democrats in general that I don't even want to write up how I think they should restart, because they would get all the wrong ideas if they bothered listening anyways. The Democrat party doesn't merely have a problem with males, it has a problem with Democrats. All the utter bullshit from both Obama terms and people incapable of change and modifying viewpoints are the problem, as well as all the lies and corruption. The Republicans are scarcely better, but at least they aren't pissing on my leg and telling me it's raining when the sky is clear.

I will never vote dem again until they excise the insane progressive wing and become an actual party of the people.
 
Clyburn said he was surprised to see so many young men break for Trump in November.
This quote is right after the journo is pitching Clyburn as an expert on men voting for the Democrat party. He's supposed to be the guy who will save their ass, but he couldn't even figure out Trump was winning young men until after the election.
We have to go where people are consuming culture and sports and entertainment,” Auchincloss told me, “and talk about issues of the day in a way that is coded for political orientation
Yes, that'll do it. Go "where people are consuming sports" and then "code for political orientation".

This level of faggotry is mind blowing.
 
Yes, that'll do it. Go "where people are consuming sports" and then "code for political orientation".

This level of faggotry is mind blowing.
They probably think the Dylan Mulvaney endorsement of Bud Light only failed because they didn't do it at the Super Bowl....... that it was more messaging errors, not content errors.
 
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The funniest part of this last campaign season was watching the Democrats' total inability to speak to men. The best they could do was a passive aggressive mockery of masculinity by a bunch of literal faggots. "I ain't afraid to serve a woman!".

I heard one of them the other day saying they "need to get their own Joe Rogan and their own Trump"... as if they didn't have the originals once. They threw that kind of man away long ago.
 
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