Opinion Democrats Have a Man Problem - How do we trick men into voting for us without actually giving them anything? Part XX

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Chances are low that Joe Rogan will save your soul—or your party. Since Donald Trump’s election victory, countless Democrats have lamented their party’s losses among men, and young men, in particular. One refrain has been a yearning for a “Rogan of the left” who might woo back all the dudes who have migrated to MAGA. If the wishfulness is misplaced, the underlying problem is real: Trump carried men by roughly 12 points in November, including 57 percent of men under 30.

I recently spoke with Democrats across different levels of leadership to see how they were trying to address this electorally lethal gender gap. Two theories for how to win back men, I found, are bubbling up. One is to improve the party’s cultural appeal to men, embracing rather than scolding masculinity. The other is to focus on more traditional messaging about the economy, on the assumption that if Democrats build an agenda for blue-collar America, the guys will follow.

These approaches are not necessarily in conflict, but they each present a challenge for the modern Democratic Party. And as pundits and consultants peddle their rival solutions, they highlight another risk: Even if Democrats can settle on a message, will voters believe they really mean it?

Representative Jake Auchincloss of Massachusetts is one of many Democrats who believe that the party has to make a serious, sustained outreach effort to connect with men. What Democrats should not say or do seems more obvious than what they should proactively offer. “No one wants to hear men talk about masculinity,” Auchincloss, a former Marine, told me. “We’re not going to orient society’s decision making to the cognitive worldview of a 16-year-old male.”

Even as he disavowed the idea that solving the guy problem should involve some promotion of testosterone-laced pandering, Auchincloss suggested that the party ought to find its way to a more positive, inspirational message. “We need to embrace a culture of heroism, not a culture of victimhood. Young men need models for their ambition,” he said.

Senator Chris Murphy of Connecticut also notes liberal squeamishness about masculine themes; he says the party is losing male voters in part because even talking about the need to improve the lives of men could run afoul of what he calls the “word police” on the left. Murphy told me, “There’s a worry that when you start talking about gender differences and masculinity, that you’re going to very quickly get in trouble.” The Democratic Party, he thinks, has not been purposeful enough in opening up a conversation with men in general and young men specifically. “There is a reluctance inside the progressive movement to squarely acknowledge gender differences, and that has really put us on the back foot.”

For Murphy, the right message might come from an earlier era—a notion that could seem antithetical to the very idea of progressivism. “We cannot and shouldn’t abandon some of the traditional ways that men find value and meaning: in providing protection, in taking high levels of risk, in taking pride in physical work,” he told me. “There’s a lot of worry that all of those traditional male characteristics are somehow illegitimate.”

So far, the GOP seems to be doing a far more effective job of engaging male voters in ways that reflect the reality of today’s popular culture. Trump has embraced UFC’s Dana White, and has made grand entrances at MMA fights. (Years before he ran for president, Trump would appear at pro-wrestling events, and he is a member of the WWE hall of fame.) “We have to go where people are consuming culture and sports and entertainment,” Auchincloss told me, “and talk about issues of the day in a way that is coded for political orientation but that is more broadly accessible and interesting.”

Last fall, Senator Ruben Gallego of Arizona tried this Go where the men are concept. “We should do anything to reach out to voters,” he told me. “And that means men.” Gallego argues that Democrats have been too hesitant to directly address men’s everyday reality, and that this is a grave mistake. “Black, Latino, and white men are not doing well in this country. They’re not obtaining college degrees,” Gallego said. “If we were to look at the numbers and just take out the gender, we would say, Wow, that group of Americans needs some attention. But all of a sudden, if you add the little m next to that, it’s somehow something that we shouldn’t be worried about—and I reject that.”

Gallego’s Senate-campaign stops included boxing gyms, soccer watch parties, and Mexican rodeos. Trump won the state at the presidential level by more than five percentage points, but Gallego defeated his Republican challenger, Kari Lake, in the Senate battle with a 2.4 percent margin. “I think the voters, the male voters, understood that I understood them and what they were going through,” he said.

The conundrum for Democrats that Murphy identifies is that they are ill-equipped to compete with Republicans for a jacked-up version of manhood because doing so would cut against the interests and rights of a crucial bloc of their coalition: women. “Now the right is offering a really irresponsible antidote, which is to just roll all the progress back and return to an era in which men were dominant politically and economically,” Murphy said. But as cartoonish as MAGA hypermasculinity is, it sends out a signal that “matters to a lot of men—that only the right really cares about the way in which they’re feeling pretty shitty.”

No one I spoke with suggested that the Democratic Party would (or should) ever abandon its positions on women’s rights. “I don’t think you have to move away from anything to be inclusive of other things,” Representative James Clyburn of South Carolina told me. One possible Democratic plan, so far as I could discern it, was to keep expanding the parameters of acceptable discourse and opinions, rather than box themselves in. Clyburn said he was surprised to see so many young men break for Trump in November. He believes that his party has gotten itself into a quagmire. “We’ve set ourselves up for this messaging war that we’re losing,” Clyburn told me. “In the last election,” he said, “sound bites that developed around gender inequity caused serious problems. And they’re still causing problems.”

Or maybe sound bites are not the problem.

Last fall, the Democratic strategist James Carville was “certain” that Kamala Harris would defeat Donald Trump. If Carville had adhered to his own maxim—It’s the economy, stupid—he might have seen Trump’s victory coming. One lesson of 2024, some of the elected officials I spoke with said, was that Democratic power brokers were woefully oblivious of the economic struggles of working-class Americans. They also suggested that the project of winning back the working class and the project of winning back men were one and the same.

Voters, the admittedly simple theory goes, will support the candidate and party that they believe will improve their daily lives. The MAGA movement has done a keen job of tapping into the discontent and resentment that many men feel over declining job prospects. Democrats need to compete by offering a material path out of despair.

“The young men that I’m talking to are not in love with politics, period,” Senator Raphael Warnock of Georgia told me. “They want their lives to work. And it’s important that people feel you walking with them and hearing them.” Warnock was adamant that, contrary to certain media narratives, Trump did not triumph in a landslide victory. “He won by the margin of people’s disengagement, because they feel the ways in which the democracy is becoming increasingly undemocratic,” he said. “And my job is not for them to hear my voice; it is to give the people their voice.”

The crucial way to reengage disaffected men, multiple Democrats told me, is to champion an economy that “works like Legos, not Monopoly,” as Auchincloss put it. “An economy where we are building more technical vocational high schools, and we are celebrating the craftsmanship of the trades so that young men have a sense of autonomy and being a provider.” Murphy said that his party should aim to build the sort of middle-class prosperity that enables one breadwinner to support a family of four, allowing one parent to choose to be a homemaker.

But if Democrats believe that Lego economic policies could be popular, they also know that many voters associate the party with government handouts and top-down programs, which, on the whole, are not very popular. This is something the MAGA movement has figured out, painting all Democrats as out-of-touch, coastal elites.

For Representative Marie Gluesenkamp Perez of Washington State, the party’s primary political problem is undoubtedly class—which is not something that a change of messaging from “the consultant-industrial complex” can fix, she told me. Rather, authenticity is the only way to make true connections. Voters don’t want to be humored, she believes; they want to be heard. “People who are trying to signal some kind of an alignment with the working class are just undermining themselves,” she said. “The donor class needs to pay more attention to how rooted a candidate is in their community, and less about whether or not a candidate ticks every ideological or policy box.”

She stressed the importance of people knowing that their representatives “are actually living in the same reality” as they are—and that a white-collar professional is not always the best fit. She believes that people want to see themselves in their representatives. “There are so many nonpolitical ways to communicate your values that haven’t been respected or exercised,” she told me. Gluesenkamp Perez has gained a national profile for the way she aims to speak for the sort of blue-collar America that many Democrats realize they’ve become disconnected from. She and her husband own an auto repair shop in the Pacific Northwest, and she won reelection in a Republican district that’s supported Trump in the past three elections. “Being able to make a clutch last for 500,000 miles—that’s really cool to a lot of people,” she told me.

“I think about all the ways that I’ve seen this sort of unconscious disrespect for people in the trades,” she said. “I’ll hear people say, ‘Well, you know, my dad was just a janitor, and I’m the first person in my family to go to college,’ and I’m like, What does that sound like to everyone in the room who didn’t go to college? That you think you’re better than them.”

What became clear from my conversations was that Democrats want to get back to eye level with their potential voters, particularly men. But, as Clyburn and others acknowledged, the party’s progressive social agenda can be an obstacle to its moderate wing. At her town halls, Gluesenkamp Perez told me, she has found her constituents especially fired up over the rules about trans women in sports—an issue that Trump has inflamed.

“What I saw was that those people were mostly people that had been driving their girls to sports practice for 12 years, and their kids’ best shot at going to college was a scholarship,” she told me. “This was an argument about resource access, not about morality.” Gluesenkamp Perez has sometimes crossed over to side with the GOP, but she recently voted against Republican-sponsored legislation to keep transgender women and girls out of school sports.

She also told me that having a real values discussion is impossible until voters feel respected, and that a candidate is listening to them. A genuine curiosity about the lives of the people who send you to Congress is not a mere nicety but an essential quality for Democrats who seem remote to the people they represent. “A lot of my colleagues just go out there and try to explain stuff to people all the time,” Gluesenkamp Perez said. “A lot of us don’t really have confidence that the spreadsheets they’re pointing to are the full picture.”

Just being real could help Democrats appeal to voters of all stripes, but they have to hope that it will resonate with disaffected men—particularly young men—who may have turned toward Trump. Democrats may not have to bend their values completely out of shape to suit the political environment, but they can’t afford to write anyone off.
 
There was a time I considered myself able to vote for a Democratic candidate on some level of politics. If the last 4+ years have taught me anything, it's to never trust these people in any position of power even if the alternative is the same type of people, because at least the GOP has a growing faction that despises the Neocon wing.

Congrats Dems, you created someone who will vote against you out of spite! (And I'm sure i'm not alone)
 
It will take years to actually repair that trust assuming it can be, and that doesn't include anyone that jumped ship after they did an about-face on a bunch of things like freedom of speech after Bush II, things they DIRECTLY APPEALED TO YOUNG MEN WITH UNDER BUSH II, once Glownigger Jesus got elected to his second term.
Not years, generations.

You and I will probably be old before we see an effective level of goodwill from the government, assuming they play ball the whole time.
 
There was a time I considered myself able to vote for a Democratic candidate on some level of politics. If the last 4+ years have taught me anything, it's to never trust these people in any position of power even if the alternative is the same type of people, because at least the GOP has a growing faction that despises the Neocon wing.

Congrats Dems, you created someone who will vote against you out of spite! (And I'm sure i'm not alone)

I will 100% always vote against Democrats purely out of spite. My dad is a disabled Sand Wars vet, meanwhile modern Dems are out here rolling out the red carpet for pro-terrorism radical Islamists who are open about their desire to enact Sharia Law within the United States. For example, all the liberal politicians currently flipping their shit over that NYU protester Trump wants to deport. The "student protestor" supported Hamas & Hezbollah! He waved their flags around, he literally claimed he wants to destroy Western civilization! Send him back to goat-fuck-istan, good riddance.
 
Literally all the democrats have to do is pass reproductive rights for men. No more mandatory child support, free parentage testing, financial aid for surrogacy, an end to non-consensual circumcision, and a modification of sexual violence laws to take male victims seriously. That would swing 5-10% of the male vote back to the democrats. That's all they have to do.
 
99% of them can't learn, won't learn - that would mean a Skinnner style "Am I out of touch?" moment.

The 1% who might learn will be frozen out or shouted down.....
 
I will 100% always vote against Democrats purely out of spite. My dad is a disabled Sand Wars vet, meanwhile modern Dems are out here rolling out the red carpet for pro-terrorism radical Islamists who are open about their desire to enact Sharia Law within the United States. For example, all the liberal politicians currently flipping their shit over that NYU protester Trump wants to deport. The "student protestor" supported Hamas & Hezbollah! He waved their flags around, he literally claimed he wants to destroy Western civilization! Send him back to goat-fuck-istan, good riddance.
So instead you'll vote for the party currently gutting your dad's benefits and medicare?

I swear to God I'd feel sorry for you retards if you didn't fall for it every. Single. Time.
 
Have fun dying to own the libs or whatever
Remove all welfare tomorrow. I want to see every single last social parasite suffer. Doesn't lose me a wink of sleep if they die off.

Pretty sure most of us will live much better without paying for the "social safety nets." Last thing we need during a shipwreck is forcing the able bodied youths to keep the decrepit and obese above the waves.
 
even by Thunderdome standards, you are hopelessly brainwashed

Have fun dying to own the libs or whatever
I'd have said "I'd happily give away the entire liberalist Western tradition as long as the government gibs keep coming in" was a particularly uncharitable description of the modern left, but you unironically hold that position. Pretty shocking.
 
I'd have said "I'd happily give away the entire liberalist Western tradition as long as the government gibs keep coming in" was a particularly uncharitable description of the modern left, but you unironically hold that position. Pretty shocking.
It's pretty stupid because literally noone is talking about "giving away the entire liberal western tradition" (although by threatening allies, cozying up to dictators and undermining democracy at home and abroad, Trump has done a pretty good job at this himself).


Remove all welfare tomorrow. I want to see every single last social parasite suffer. Doesn't lose me a wink of sleep if they die off.

Pretty sure most of us will live much better without paying for the "social safety nets." Last thing we need during a shipwreck is forcing the able bodied youths to keep the decrepit and obese above the waves.

But if you do that, thousands of poorer Americans in red states will -

...

...fuck you're right!
 
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Really, the Democrats have a White people problem:
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Which is fitting, as they think White people are a problem.
 
“What I saw was that those people were mostly people that had been driving their girls to sports practice for 12 years, and their kids’ best shot at going to college was a scholarship,” she told me. “This was an argument about resource access, not about morality.” Gluesenkamp Perez has sometimes crossed over to side with the GOP, but she recently voted against Republican-sponsored legislation to keep transgender women and girls out of school sports.
Do I get to post the "fell for it again" award now?
 
So instead you'll vote for the party currently gutting your dad's benefits and medicare?

I swear to God I'd feel sorry for you retards if you didn't fall for it every. Single. Time.
How about this: his dad get medicare and benefits and the fucking sandniggers and brownoids are all deported? No? Fuck you then. Access to white countries and their resources is not a "human right".
 
I'd have said "I'd happily give away the entire liberalist Western tradition as long as the government gibs keep coming in" was a particularly uncharitable description of the modern left, but you unironically hold that position. Pretty shocking.
The fact that you're willing view the progressives in anything but the most negative light you can think of shows you're either have the patience of a saint, or you're hopelessly naive. The thing that shocks me is that I do view the progs in the worst way i can think of, and I am consistently proven to not be harsh enough.

You don't hate them enough.
 
Here’s an easy tip for them. That they of course won’t use.

Stop demonizing Trump and work with him. Every retarded tweet, every attempt at faux outrage will only deepen the chasm between men who voted for him and the Dems.
That's fine until your next primary, where you will be accosted for going off the plantation by the primary voters (The Church of white Guilt and the Gibsmedat coalition) and party leaders (lizards, bankers, and transhumanists). As an elected official, you need to remain focused on getting reelected so that you can continue to violate insider trading laws, gaining seniority to get better insider information, and networking with your peers so that you can be a better lobbyist if you can't get reelected in the future.
If you want to govern, then yes, reach across that aisle, but most politicians have better things to do and political parties aren't interested in letting them.
Taking that into account, this is good strategy for them. Offer men the little you can without pissing off your real constituents, keep it vague because you're not going to deliver.
 
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