Opinion Democrats Have a Man Problem - How do we trick men into voting for us without actually giving them anything? Part XX

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Chances are low that Joe Rogan will save your soul—or your party. Since Donald Trump’s election victory, countless Democrats have lamented their party’s losses among men, and young men, in particular. One refrain has been a yearning for a “Rogan of the left” who might woo back all the dudes who have migrated to MAGA. If the wishfulness is misplaced, the underlying problem is real: Trump carried men by roughly 12 points in November, including 57 percent of men under 30.

I recently spoke with Democrats across different levels of leadership to see how they were trying to address this electorally lethal gender gap. Two theories for how to win back men, I found, are bubbling up. One is to improve the party’s cultural appeal to men, embracing rather than scolding masculinity. The other is to focus on more traditional messaging about the economy, on the assumption that if Democrats build an agenda for blue-collar America, the guys will follow.

These approaches are not necessarily in conflict, but they each present a challenge for the modern Democratic Party. And as pundits and consultants peddle their rival solutions, they highlight another risk: Even if Democrats can settle on a message, will voters believe they really mean it?

Representative Jake Auchincloss of Massachusetts is one of many Democrats who believe that the party has to make a serious, sustained outreach effort to connect with men. What Democrats should not say or do seems more obvious than what they should proactively offer. “No one wants to hear men talk about masculinity,” Auchincloss, a former Marine, told me. “We’re not going to orient society’s decision making to the cognitive worldview of a 16-year-old male.”

Even as he disavowed the idea that solving the guy problem should involve some promotion of testosterone-laced pandering, Auchincloss suggested that the party ought to find its way to a more positive, inspirational message. “We need to embrace a culture of heroism, not a culture of victimhood. Young men need models for their ambition,” he said.

Senator Chris Murphy of Connecticut also notes liberal squeamishness about masculine themes; he says the party is losing male voters in part because even talking about the need to improve the lives of men could run afoul of what he calls the “word police” on the left. Murphy told me, “There’s a worry that when you start talking about gender differences and masculinity, that you’re going to very quickly get in trouble.” The Democratic Party, he thinks, has not been purposeful enough in opening up a conversation with men in general and young men specifically. “There is a reluctance inside the progressive movement to squarely acknowledge gender differences, and that has really put us on the back foot.”

For Murphy, the right message might come from an earlier era—a notion that could seem antithetical to the very idea of progressivism. “We cannot and shouldn’t abandon some of the traditional ways that men find value and meaning: in providing protection, in taking high levels of risk, in taking pride in physical work,” he told me. “There’s a lot of worry that all of those traditional male characteristics are somehow illegitimate.”

So far, the GOP seems to be doing a far more effective job of engaging male voters in ways that reflect the reality of today’s popular culture. Trump has embraced UFC’s Dana White, and has made grand entrances at MMA fights. (Years before he ran for president, Trump would appear at pro-wrestling events, and he is a member of the WWE hall of fame.) “We have to go where people are consuming culture and sports and entertainment,” Auchincloss told me, “and talk about issues of the day in a way that is coded for political orientation but that is more broadly accessible and interesting.”

Last fall, Senator Ruben Gallego of Arizona tried this Go where the men are concept. “We should do anything to reach out to voters,” he told me. “And that means men.” Gallego argues that Democrats have been too hesitant to directly address men’s everyday reality, and that this is a grave mistake. “Black, Latino, and white men are not doing well in this country. They’re not obtaining college degrees,” Gallego said. “If we were to look at the numbers and just take out the gender, we would say, Wow, that group of Americans needs some attention. But all of a sudden, if you add the little m next to that, it’s somehow something that we shouldn’t be worried about—and I reject that.”

Gallego’s Senate-campaign stops included boxing gyms, soccer watch parties, and Mexican rodeos. Trump won the state at the presidential level by more than five percentage points, but Gallego defeated his Republican challenger, Kari Lake, in the Senate battle with a 2.4 percent margin. “I think the voters, the male voters, understood that I understood them and what they were going through,” he said.

The conundrum for Democrats that Murphy identifies is that they are ill-equipped to compete with Republicans for a jacked-up version of manhood because doing so would cut against the interests and rights of a crucial bloc of their coalition: women. “Now the right is offering a really irresponsible antidote, which is to just roll all the progress back and return to an era in which men were dominant politically and economically,” Murphy said. But as cartoonish as MAGA hypermasculinity is, it sends out a signal that “matters to a lot of men—that only the right really cares about the way in which they’re feeling pretty shitty.”

No one I spoke with suggested that the Democratic Party would (or should) ever abandon its positions on women’s rights. “I don’t think you have to move away from anything to be inclusive of other things,” Representative James Clyburn of South Carolina told me. One possible Democratic plan, so far as I could discern it, was to keep expanding the parameters of acceptable discourse and opinions, rather than box themselves in. Clyburn said he was surprised to see so many young men break for Trump in November. He believes that his party has gotten itself into a quagmire. “We’ve set ourselves up for this messaging war that we’re losing,” Clyburn told me. “In the last election,” he said, “sound bites that developed around gender inequity caused serious problems. And they’re still causing problems.”

Or maybe sound bites are not the problem.

Last fall, the Democratic strategist James Carville was “certain” that Kamala Harris would defeat Donald Trump. If Carville had adhered to his own maxim—It’s the economy, stupid—he might have seen Trump’s victory coming. One lesson of 2024, some of the elected officials I spoke with said, was that Democratic power brokers were woefully oblivious of the economic struggles of working-class Americans. They also suggested that the project of winning back the working class and the project of winning back men were one and the same.

Voters, the admittedly simple theory goes, will support the candidate and party that they believe will improve their daily lives. The MAGA movement has done a keen job of tapping into the discontent and resentment that many men feel over declining job prospects. Democrats need to compete by offering a material path out of despair.

“The young men that I’m talking to are not in love with politics, period,” Senator Raphael Warnock of Georgia told me. “They want their lives to work. And it’s important that people feel you walking with them and hearing them.” Warnock was adamant that, contrary to certain media narratives, Trump did not triumph in a landslide victory. “He won by the margin of people’s disengagement, because they feel the ways in which the democracy is becoming increasingly undemocratic,” he said. “And my job is not for them to hear my voice; it is to give the people their voice.”

The crucial way to reengage disaffected men, multiple Democrats told me, is to champion an economy that “works like Legos, not Monopoly,” as Auchincloss put it. “An economy where we are building more technical vocational high schools, and we are celebrating the craftsmanship of the trades so that young men have a sense of autonomy and being a provider.” Murphy said that his party should aim to build the sort of middle-class prosperity that enables one breadwinner to support a family of four, allowing one parent to choose to be a homemaker.

But if Democrats believe that Lego economic policies could be popular, they also know that many voters associate the party with government handouts and top-down programs, which, on the whole, are not very popular. This is something the MAGA movement has figured out, painting all Democrats as out-of-touch, coastal elites.

For Representative Marie Gluesenkamp Perez of Washington State, the party’s primary political problem is undoubtedly class—which is not something that a change of messaging from “the consultant-industrial complex” can fix, she told me. Rather, authenticity is the only way to make true connections. Voters don’t want to be humored, she believes; they want to be heard. “People who are trying to signal some kind of an alignment with the working class are just undermining themselves,” she said. “The donor class needs to pay more attention to how rooted a candidate is in their community, and less about whether or not a candidate ticks every ideological or policy box.”

She stressed the importance of people knowing that their representatives “are actually living in the same reality” as they are—and that a white-collar professional is not always the best fit. She believes that people want to see themselves in their representatives. “There are so many nonpolitical ways to communicate your values that haven’t been respected or exercised,” she told me. Gluesenkamp Perez has gained a national profile for the way she aims to speak for the sort of blue-collar America that many Democrats realize they’ve become disconnected from. She and her husband own an auto repair shop in the Pacific Northwest, and she won reelection in a Republican district that’s supported Trump in the past three elections. “Being able to make a clutch last for 500,000 miles—that’s really cool to a lot of people,” she told me.

“I think about all the ways that I’ve seen this sort of unconscious disrespect for people in the trades,” she said. “I’ll hear people say, ‘Well, you know, my dad was just a janitor, and I’m the first person in my family to go to college,’ and I’m like, What does that sound like to everyone in the room who didn’t go to college? That you think you’re better than them.”

What became clear from my conversations was that Democrats want to get back to eye level with their potential voters, particularly men. But, as Clyburn and others acknowledged, the party’s progressive social agenda can be an obstacle to its moderate wing. At her town halls, Gluesenkamp Perez told me, she has found her constituents especially fired up over the rules about trans women in sports—an issue that Trump has inflamed.

“What I saw was that those people were mostly people that had been driving their girls to sports practice for 12 years, and their kids’ best shot at going to college was a scholarship,” she told me. “This was an argument about resource access, not about morality.” Gluesenkamp Perez has sometimes crossed over to side with the GOP, but she recently voted against Republican-sponsored legislation to keep transgender women and girls out of school sports.

She also told me that having a real values discussion is impossible until voters feel respected, and that a candidate is listening to them. A genuine curiosity about the lives of the people who send you to Congress is not a mere nicety but an essential quality for Democrats who seem remote to the people they represent. “A lot of my colleagues just go out there and try to explain stuff to people all the time,” Gluesenkamp Perez said. “A lot of us don’t really have confidence that the spreadsheets they’re pointing to are the full picture.”

Just being real could help Democrats appeal to voters of all stripes, but they have to hope that it will resonate with disaffected men—particularly young men—who may have turned toward Trump. Democrats may not have to bend their values completely out of shape to suit the political environment, but they can’t afford to write anyone off.
 
They courted the bonfire of identity politics and now their chickens have come home to roost.
"Democrats may not have to bend their values completely out of shape to suit the political environment, but they can’t afford to write anyone off." They will continue to lose as long as young men continue to be disenfranchised. Trannies destroy everything they touch, and the DNC welcomed them with open arms, watching the in-fighting and purity spiraling has been entertaining to say the least.
 
Jesus Christ, just get rid of the old fucks already. This is literally all you have to do. People are tired of the stranglehold Clinton and Obama have on the party and how the party is a never ending supply of 08 hope messaging.

You retards had multiple candidates that were all winners and fucked each and every one of them over. Bernie was really popular with young men, especially Latinos, but no, queen Hillary had to have her turn dammit. 2020 gave you Tulsi and Yang in addition, yet again, you f’d them over for some dementia ridden tard and his cackling DEI hire. Hell, even in 2024, you had RFK and yet again you f’d him over.

Who would have guessed that when you blatantly disregard your voter base and … gasp… democracy, things would go poorly. Knowing the Dems, rather than just letting someone come in and gain organic support, they will instead pivot to bringing in some overly gay white dude and have the media suck their dick as a “true masculine figure.“

By god, Synthcool’s Bernietard rant just gets ever more relevant by the day:
I took this dude 3 mins, in 2020, to pinpoint everything wrong with this party, yet analysts with years of experience cannot even begin to figure out the issue.
 
Gluesenkamp Perez has sometimes crossed over to side with the GOP, but she recently voted against Republican-sponsored legislation to keep transgender women and girls out of school sports.
This is exactly the sort of shit that guarantees the only men the Democrats will win over are weird sex pests. Yes, it does become a problem when you refuse to cross party lines for trooning out children. The only signal there is that they will fight tooth and nail for the 1% of actual freaks vs. normal people. The mostly-unspoken thing among men (and women) who aren't weird sex pests is that troons are weird.
If the Democrats want to win over men, they should start with dismantling the hyper politically correct society that they constructed. It is anathema to any man who isn't a total failure. The only reason it really turned against them in the last election was because previously, the henpecking about political correctness was mostly only targeted at White men - now that most of them have been scared off, they are going after the other ones. These people need to figure out how the men who are their constituents truly feel about shit like tranny kids, because I really doubt they voted Democrat based on that.
 
This is something the MAGA movement has figured out, painting all Democrats as out-of-touch, coastal elites.
The tone and content of Hendrickson's Atlantic article sounds for all in the world like an anthropologist describing the strange and bizarre customs and alien cultural practices of an isolated Amazonian tribe. Out-of-touch doesn't even begin.

During the 2016 general election campaign, Trump and his people went on the offensive in what were then considered impregnable Democratic Party strongholds such as West Virginia, going after poor and working-class white voters who had supported the Democrats for generations but who the Democrats ignored and dismissed as a kind of reactionary embarrassment. As a result, Trump stole those votes right out from under them. The Democrats had always previously portrayed themselves as champions of the little guy, the working joe, but that's clearly no longer the case. Trump recognized this weakness and exploited it. He continues to exploit it.

Democratic Party leaders think their problem is one of messaging. It isn't. Their problem is ideological. The far-Left progressive wing currently controls the party. As long as the far-Left keeps that control, they will continue to lose.
 
The far-Left progressive wing currently controls the party. As long as the far-Left keeps that control, they will continue to lose.
Actually, it's even worse than just that. The far left progressives only control the social talking parts of the party, economically, it's all still the same neoliberalism they've been playing for years - the same shit that most young men are being crushed by. The only ones in the party who offer any alternative are the far-left progressives like Bernie, but they aren't going to be given the levers of economic control. Instead, they get handed all the cultural and social elements, which they use to push insane bullshit like trannies and henpecking people for saying stuff like "retard" and "fag". Young men who vote Democrat get economic destruction while being longhoused, it's a wonder that any of them still vote Dem.
 
They courted the bonfire of identity politics and now their chickens have come home to roost.
"Democrats may not have to bend their values completely out of shape to suit the political environment, but they can’t afford to write anyone off." They will continue to lose as long as young men continue to be disenfranchised. Trannies destroy everything they touch, and the DNC welcomed them with open arms, watching the in-fighting and purity spiraling has been entertaining to say the least.

Identity is politics.
 
Actually, it's even worse than just that. The far left progressives only control the social talking parts of the party, economically, it's all still the same neoliberalism they've been playing for years - the same shit that most young men are being crushed by. The only ones in the party who offer any alternative are the far-left progressives like Bernie, but they aren't going to be given the levers of economic control. Instead, they get handed all the cultural and social elements, which they use to push insane bullshit like trannies and henpecking people for saying stuff like "retard" and "fag". Young men who vote Democrat get economic destruction while being longhoused, it's a wonder that any of them still vote Dem.
This ^

The Dems basically got rid of all their biggest supporters. Even funnier, for as much as they go off about Musk and Rogan, they literally had both of them as supporters for years, till randomly deciding to denounce them. Rogan was denounced because of Covid, but Musk is baffling as Biden just decided to randomly screw over his space operations for no reason.
 
But if Democrats believe that Lego economic policies could be popular, they also know that many voters associate the party with government handouts and top-down programs, which, on the whole, are not very popular. This is something the MAGA movement has figured out, painting all Democrats as out-of-touch, coastal elites.
People "associate" the party with gibs and top-down programs because the former is how they have been buying votes for nearly 100 years and the latter is the entire reason the party exists in the first place.
The conundrum for Democrats that Murphy identifies is that they are ill-equipped to compete with Republicans for a jacked-up version of manhood because doing so would cut against the interests and rights of a crucial bloc of their coalition: women.
"Jacked up version of manhood". Jacked up compared to who? David Hogg? The average middle schooler clears that bar easily.
And why does this have to be treated like a zero sum game? Respecting men's rights does not mean you have to ignore women's rights you fucking lunatic.
 
Jesus Christ, just get rid of the old fucks already. This is literally all you have to do. People are tired of the stranglehold Clinton and Obama have on the party and how the party is a never ending supply of 08 hope messaging.
You can never underestimate the damage Obama did to the party, some from his cult of personality, but, much more was that the Dem leadership never planned beyond him because they really and honestly thought they'd never have to try to win an election again. To them? 2008 signaled the death of conservatism. And they still haven't fully acknowledged that they were fundamentally wrong about this, and that conservatism is alive and growing, and MAGA populism isn't just some scattered and particularly die-hard loyalists still bitterly fighting it out 16 years after Republicans "lost" for good.

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And why does this have to be treated like a zero sum game? Respecting men's rights does not mean you have to ignore women's rights you fucking lunatic.
I'll never understand how the Democratic brain trust can square the circle that people are so simple, they'll vote for someone who is "Just like them" But? Also? All "proper" white men vote for black women without hesitation! The fact Kamala didn't win was down to their treachery! Even though by their number one ideological dogma of direct group representation? The white men behaved EXACTLY as you'd expect them to and voted Trump!
 
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This ^

The Dems basically got rid of all their biggest supporters. Even funnier, for as much as they go off about Musk and Rogan, they literally had both of them as supporters for years, till randomly deciding to denounce them. Rogan was denounced because of Covid, but Musk is baffling as Biden just decided to randomly screw over his space operations for no reason.
Well, Rogan also was still willing to have right wingers as Nazis on his show and doesn't actively have spite for any sort of masculinity, so I don't think his covid takes did much more than hasten their heel turn. Musk does seem like a really odd case, but they REALLY hate him because he bought Twitter and kind of toppled their whole top-down media control thing that they had going. Biden touching his space shit was a result of that. The funny thing is that if the Dems hadn't insisted on wagging their fingers and demanding bans any time somebody said stuff as innocuous as "retard", he probably wouldn't have even considered it. That actually really ties back into the whole masculinity thing, and I don't think they are even getting close to the enormity of what their rejection of it has cost them.
 
Even if Democrats can settle on a message, will voters believe they really mean it?
This is the biggest problem, you have...what...2 separate generations which grew up seeing the Dems promoting insane social shit which directly insulted them? Worse yet, they didn't just say the crazy shit, they actually took actions in furtherance of that crazy social shit which stuck.

It will take years to actually repair that trust assuming it can be, and that doesn't include anyone that jumped ship after they did an about-face on a bunch of things like freedom of speech after Bush II, things they DIRECTLY APPEALED TO YOUNG MEN WITH UNDER BUSH II, once Glownigger Jesus got elected to his second term.
 
You can never underestimate the damage Obama did to the party, the never planned beyond it because they really and honestly thought they'd never have to try to win an election again. To them? It signaled the death of conservatism. For utterly stupid and short-sighted reasons.
Going to disagree for one reason. The party couldn’t plan ahead because they were shackled to Hillary who they promised a presidency. Hillary was supposed to win 08, so when she didn’t, she made sure to gut the party of any and all potential talent to ensure victory in 2016.

They spent 16 years not building any talent to please Hillary and make good on a promise. By 2020, the party could only muster Kamala and Pete as potential young heirs, both of which were shit and completely out-of-touch by that point.

Musk does seem like a really odd case, but they REALLY hate him because he bought Twitter and kind of toppled their whole top-down media control thing that they had going. Biden touching his space shit was a result of that. The funny thing is that if the Dems hadn't insisted on wagging their fingers and demanding bans any time somebody said stuff as innocuous as "retard", he probably wouldn't have even considered it.
Pretty sure Biden touched his space toys first, hence the Twitter buyout. It is what makes the whole thing incredibly weird as they could have just let Musk autistically play with his spaceships, yet actively shut it down around Biden’s first year.
 
Pretty sure Biden touched his space toys first, hence the Twitter buyout. It is what makes the whole thing incredibly weird as they could have just let Musk autistically play with his spaceships, yet actively shut it down around Biden’s first term.
Biden only had one term, do you mean the first year? I'm not really surprised about that, I'm sure that admin was quite keen to centralize space efforts under the government mostly so they could really push radical "diversity" in the space program, so they probably shifted the funding away from SpaceX back to NASA. I think one of the big things NASA decided to highlight for the new lunar mission was their insistence to have a black woman astronaut walk on the moon, which is genuinely ludicrous to push as a goal this far out from launch. Makes me question what the hell there is to be gained if that's one of their primary concerns.
I do see Musk as a bit of a redditor (the sort that existed about a decade ago) so it's pretty easy for me to square with him getting pissed at Twitter for banning an account he liked because they "retard" in a meme he laughed at, but fucking with SpaceX also makes sense. I think they also cut funding after the buyout as well, which really solidified him into his stance for the last election for sure.
 
One is to improve the party’s cultural appeal to men, embracing rather than scolding masculinity.

Can’t happen, Democrats have made themselves the party of misfit toys. They will lose the toxic feminists, the soy-femme-boys and LGBTQIAP+. Add that to the illegals are and will continue to be deported and the millions of 200+ year olds identifies that were still being used and are now being wiped, that would eliminate 90% of Democrat voters.
 
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