Opinion Deplatforming hate forums doesn't work, British boffins warn - Industry intervention alone can't deal with harassment


Depriving online hate groups of network services - otherwise known as deplatforming - doesn't work very well, according to boffins based in the United Kingdom.

In a recently released preprint paper, Anh Vu, Alice Hutchings, and Ross Anderson, from the University of Cambridge and the University of Edinburgh, examine efforts to disrupt harassment forum Kiwi Farms and find that community and industry interventions have been largely ineffective.

Their study, undertaken as lawmakers around the world are considering policies that aspire to moderate unlawful or undesirable online behavior, reveals that deplatforming has only a modest impact and those running harmful sites remain free to carry on harassing people through other services.

"Deplatforming users may reduce activity and toxicity levels of relevant actors on Twitter and Reddit, limit the spread of conspiratorial disinformation on Facebook, and minimize disinformation and extreme speech on YouTube," they write in their paper. "But deplatforming has often made hate groups and individuals even more extreme, toxic and radicalized."

As examples, they cite how Reddit's ban of r/incels in November 2017 led to the creation of two incel domains, which then grew rapidly. They also point to how users banned from Twitter and Reddit "exhibit higher levels of toxicity when migrating to Gab," among other similar situations.

The researchers focus on the deplatforming of Kiwi Farms, an online forum where users participate in efforts to harass prominent online figures. One such person was a Canadian transgender streamer known as @Keffals on Twitter and Twitch.

In early August last year, a Kiwi Farms forum member allegedly sent a malicious warning to police in London, Ontario, claiming that @Keffals had committed murder and was planning further violence, which resulted in her being "swatted - a form of attack that has proved lethal in some cases.

Following further doxxing, threats, and harassment, @Keffals organized a successful campaign to pressure Cloudflare to stop providing Kiwi Farms with reverse proxy security protection, which helped the forum defend against denial-of-service attacks.

The research paper outlines the various interventions taken by internet companies against Kiwi Farms. After Cloudflare dropped Kiwi Farms on September 3 last year, DDoS-Guard did so two days later. The following day, the Internet Archive and hCaptcha severed ties.

On September 10, the kiwifarms.is domain stopped working. Five days later, security firm DiamWall suspended service for those operating the site.

On September 18, all the domains used by the forum became inaccessible, possibly related to an alleged data breach. But then, as the researchers observe, the Kiwi Farms dark web forum was back by September 29. There were further intermittent outages on October 9 and October 22, but since then Kiwi Farms has been active, apart from brief service interruptions.

"The disruption was more effective than previous DDoS attacks on the forum, as observed from our datasets. Yet the impact, although considerable, was short-lived." the researchers state.

"While part of the activity was shifted to Telegram, half of the core members returned quickly after the forum recovered. And while most casual users were shaken off, others turned up to replace them. Cutting forum activity and users by half might be a success if the goal of the campaign is just to hurt the forum, but if the objective was to 'drop the forum,' it has failed."

Hate is difficult to shift

One reason for the durability of such sites, the authors suggest, is that activists get bored and move on, while trolls are motivated to endure and survive. They argue that deplatforming doesn't look like a long-term solution because, while casual harassment forum participants may scatter, core members become more determined and can recruit replacements through the publicity arising from censorship.

Vu, Hutchings, and Anderson argue that deplatforming by itself is insufficient and needs to be done in the context of a legal regime that can enforce compliance. Unfortunately, they note, this framework doesn't currently exist.

"We believe the harms and threats associated with online hate communities may justify action despite the right to free speech," the authors conclude. "But within the framework of the EU and the Council of Europe which is based on the European Convention on Human Rights, such action will have to be justified as proportionate, necessary and in accordance with the law."

They also contend that police work needs to be paired with social work, specifically education and psycho-social support, to deprogram hate among participants in such forums.

"There are multiple research programs and field experiments on effective ways to detox young men from misogynistic attitudes, whether in youth clubs and other small groups, at the scale of schools, or even by gamifying the identification of propaganda that promotes hate," they argue. "But most countries still lack a unifying strategy for violence reduction." ®
 
Detoxification camps sound like they would work perfectly, much like how the prison system rehabilitates criminals instead of acting like a crime finishing school.

Wait a second... Kiwi Koncentration Kamps might actually be very based.
There's a certain ring to it. I want to be one of the victims inmates guests of honor that helps keep things running smoothly on the inside.
 
Fix my lying eyes with brainwashing.
Cult deprogrammers don't even work. Many of the people who were kidnapped by this guy (Ted Patrick)
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reported later that his methods did jack shit, they just knew they were being held against their will and needed to tell him whatever he wanted to hear to let them go.

I would love to ask these researchers what they think about the constant erasure of peoples past crimes on the internet, and the fact that KF keeps receipts on them. Perhaps I’d quote 1984 at them:
Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.
Deprogramming isn't like the ending of 1984, which I know is what the British government wants, you just internalize what you know you'll get in trouble for saying, which looks the same to outsiders.
 
it was discovered sometime in 2020 or 2021 when you could type any 4-digit number followed by new cases into google and it would shit out dozens of articles from legitimate and bullshit sources about how that number of new 'rona cases were detected in X city and that you should definitely be super scared. This still works today, but eventually it won't.

Documenting the fact that tactic this exists will be of paramount importance going forward. Few people know about it now and fewer still would believe it.
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bruh
 
People who hate Nazis use the same tactics Nazis used. Excuse me while I boil some tea and drink it with my mother. Also, I need to clean the house and get dinner ready while I fix my computer and pet my cat. But seriously, they never realize that we are ordinary people laughing at extraordinary bullshit.
I think it’s a delusional behavior where they make every Internet Troll a basement dweller. They do this will @Null every time, they basically paint the picture that he’s a repressed homosexual loser living in his Mom’s basement tearing down these brave Transgenders and MAPs.
Like how the fuck do you make people here look bad in comparison to Keffals? He is a balding failed fart porn fetishist that blew $100K on drugs. He cut off his own dick. It’s not cognitive dissonance, it’s sheer anger at reality for not conforming unto their will. Keffals was a basement dweller incel furry. He is what these people want Null to be, but Null and users here at most are assholes.

I can’t touch any of the cows through my computer screen. The info on the Farms can be weaponized by other groups, but if someone enough to harass them online and irl than taking down the Farm’s isn’t really gonna matter.
The Trevor Project shit was something I barely looked into, but they’ve been getting shit for a while and scapegoating 4chan and KiwiFarms wouldn’t surprise me. I remember someone here linking that /pol/ thread and pointing out how it sounded like an obvious false flag and I wouldn’t be surprised after the Matt Walsh Doc if they tried to start going “Helpies! Helpies! We’re being attacked by Alt-Right MAGA CHUDS! UWU!!!”

I think people are turning on a lot of these ideas and organizations. Normal people are and they have to put the pedal to the metal for the propaganda to be 1/8th as effective.
I think it’s oddly hopeful. Trust in media and Academics are at an all time low
 
They do this will @Null every time, they basically paint the picture that he’s a repressed homosexual loser living in his Mom’s basement tearing down these brave Transgenders and MAPs.
Despite being a chubbo, Null has unironically traveled more places than most Americans, shown he actually stands for what he believes in, and is a pigeon godfather.
 
Except that Kiwi Farms is one of the most feministic places on the Internet that I know. There are very few other places where women are allowed to speak up about the sexual harassment and systematic infiltration of women spaces by hulking sex-pest men in dresses.
Their cognitive dissonance is both hilarious and horrifying.

"Young men [with] misogynistic attitudes" is what they desperately want the bad guys to be, because it's the only way they can parse the conflict in a way that makes sense to them and keeps their worldview intact. They're telling themselves this is what's happening, while they're defending Mr. "Being a trans woman isn't about trying to imitate women, it's about trying to be better than women" himself from criticism by a group that includes a large amount of actual women. It's almost impressive.
 
Their cognitive dissonance is both hilarious and horrifying.

"Young men [with] misogynistic attitudes" is what they desperately want the bad guys to be, because it's the only way they can parse the conflict in a way that makes sense to them and keeps their worldview intact. They're telling themselves this is what's happening, while they're defending Mr. "Being a trans woman isn't about trying to imitate women, it's about trying to be better than women" himself from criticism by a group that includes a large amount of actual women. It's almost impressive.
Half the users here are women gossiping about other goofy fat women. These ivory tower assholes are so ignorant and out of touch, yet violently aggressive at the same time. They have a biased simpleton worldview, where everyone bad has to be toxic young men. They hate masculinity.

Also this kind of talk about putting offensive people into camps may seem like not a threat now, but it will manifest into worst things if there’s no societal pushback. They’re constantly annoyed by free speech and the right to offensive or dissident expression. It’s a hindrance and my impression of the article is almost that they begrudgingly admitted “we have to follow the laws of free speech.”

You have to love them quoting Keffals, a lying drug addict doxing groomer. Seriously, fuck these people. They don’t have he high ground morally, rationally, or objectively. They fear people speaking freely, spreading information that they don’t want preserved, not going through the proper controlled channels.

If you’re on the moral high ground and speak the truth, why do you have to censor people and put them in camps if they’re not calling for direct violence?

At the least this confirms that Josh defied all their hopes and absolutely confounded thousands of censorious evil assholes.
 
The year is 2029
ALL kiwifarms users have been detained in European concentration camps.
Today the tallest and biggest of the Kiwis is being dragged to the gallows. Their glorious feeder. The lesser kiwis shout profanities as the guard march by.
BIX NOODS
TRANNIES TONGUED MY ANUS
FAGGOT
They shout. The guards are horrified. "How do they know?" They ask themselves.

Finally, the noose slips around the last internet cowboy's neck. The prisoners erupt in new jeers.
WITNESSED
5 STAR DAYS
HALT STALKER CHILD
SLOPPER MUTT IS MID

With the last one, the cells erupt in utter chaos. The prisoners begin howling like rapid monkeys, some even throwing shit at the guards. They are panicked, not knowing whether to proceed or not. The warden, Ethan Ralph, arrives and orders the execution to carry on. They hang the 12th person claiming to be Null that week. Tis life on the Kiwifarm summer camps.
 
"Cutting forum activity and users by half"

Did all the downtime really drop activity by half? I'm unsure how they're measuring this (I assume posts per day) and I only actually started using Kiwi farms after the deplatforming campaign, so I don't have a good frame of reference to judge this. Anyone want to weigh in on this?

EDIT: Also to be clear I don't know if they're saying it cut activity by half right in the beginning, middle or end of the deplatforming campaign. The article was published today so if I were to be uncharitable I would assume they're talking about the forum as it is right now.
Activity dropped down to half of its peak mostly due to Null forcing everyone to reset their passwords after the leak scare, locking many users out of their account since they were retards who used 10 Minute Mail when creating their account.

And activity was about triple usual rates during the Keffals saga due to widespread social media coverage of the site. So really, it was a wash.
 
This has to be one of the most white pilling things I've seen in a long time. Its watching retards scream at the dying light that was their strangle hold on world views.

We have reached the point of twilight and while they see the darkness of night I can finally see the crack of dawn.
 
Of course it doesn't work. People have a need to shitpost and express themselves. Take those away and it will spread to places they'd hate for it to spread to. But as our institutions in the endless current year are clearly acting like Chris, they will meet failure upon failure again and again, learning nothing from their mistakes using their tugboat to keep themselves afloat all the while screeching at those dang dirty trolls.

Amazing. They are just now figuring out what autists have been discussing since before 2016. Censoring discussion only drives it underground and the mere fact of the censorship adds legitimacy to the message.

The fact of the matter is, these dipshits are not operating with objective truth on their side, which is why their memes will always be cringe, their shills will always be ineffective and their agents will always stick out like a sore thumb.

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That's the best part about this. An anon from /pol/ pointed out that influencing world events is far easier than getting a girlfriend. Which makes it doubly hilarious.
 
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