Opinion Deplatforming hate forums doesn't work, British boffins warn - Industry intervention alone can't deal with harassment


Depriving online hate groups of network services - otherwise known as deplatforming - doesn't work very well, according to boffins based in the United Kingdom.

In a recently released preprint paper, Anh Vu, Alice Hutchings, and Ross Anderson, from the University of Cambridge and the University of Edinburgh, examine efforts to disrupt harassment forum Kiwi Farms and find that community and industry interventions have been largely ineffective.

Their study, undertaken as lawmakers around the world are considering policies that aspire to moderate unlawful or undesirable online behavior, reveals that deplatforming has only a modest impact and those running harmful sites remain free to carry on harassing people through other services.

"Deplatforming users may reduce activity and toxicity levels of relevant actors on Twitter and Reddit, limit the spread of conspiratorial disinformation on Facebook, and minimize disinformation and extreme speech on YouTube," they write in their paper. "But deplatforming has often made hate groups and individuals even more extreme, toxic and radicalized."

As examples, they cite how Reddit's ban of r/incels in November 2017 led to the creation of two incel domains, which then grew rapidly. They also point to how users banned from Twitter and Reddit "exhibit higher levels of toxicity when migrating to Gab," among other similar situations.

The researchers focus on the deplatforming of Kiwi Farms, an online forum where users participate in efforts to harass prominent online figures. One such person was a Canadian transgender streamer known as @Keffals on Twitter and Twitch.

In early August last year, a Kiwi Farms forum member allegedly sent a malicious warning to police in London, Ontario, claiming that @Keffals had committed murder and was planning further violence, which resulted in her being "swatted - a form of attack that has proved lethal in some cases.

Following further doxxing, threats, and harassment, @Keffals organized a successful campaign to pressure Cloudflare to stop providing Kiwi Farms with reverse proxy security protection, which helped the forum defend against denial-of-service attacks.

The research paper outlines the various interventions taken by internet companies against Kiwi Farms. After Cloudflare dropped Kiwi Farms on September 3 last year, DDoS-Guard did so two days later. The following day, the Internet Archive and hCaptcha severed ties.

On September 10, the kiwifarms.is domain stopped working. Five days later, security firm DiamWall suspended service for those operating the site.

On September 18, all the domains used by the forum became inaccessible, possibly related to an alleged data breach. But then, as the researchers observe, the Kiwi Farms dark web forum was back by September 29. There were further intermittent outages on October 9 and October 22, but since then Kiwi Farms has been active, apart from brief service interruptions.

"The disruption was more effective than previous DDoS attacks on the forum, as observed from our datasets. Yet the impact, although considerable, was short-lived." the researchers state.

"While part of the activity was shifted to Telegram, half of the core members returned quickly after the forum recovered. And while most casual users were shaken off, others turned up to replace them. Cutting forum activity and users by half might be a success if the goal of the campaign is just to hurt the forum, but if the objective was to 'drop the forum,' it has failed."

Hate is difficult to shift

One reason for the durability of such sites, the authors suggest, is that activists get bored and move on, while trolls are motivated to endure and survive. They argue that deplatforming doesn't look like a long-term solution because, while casual harassment forum participants may scatter, core members become more determined and can recruit replacements through the publicity arising from censorship.

Vu, Hutchings, and Anderson argue that deplatforming by itself is insufficient and needs to be done in the context of a legal regime that can enforce compliance. Unfortunately, they note, this framework doesn't currently exist.

"We believe the harms and threats associated with online hate communities may justify action despite the right to free speech," the authors conclude. "But within the framework of the EU and the Council of Europe which is based on the European Convention on Human Rights, such action will have to be justified as proportionate, necessary and in accordance with the law."

They also contend that police work needs to be paired with social work, specifically education and psycho-social support, to deprogram hate among participants in such forums.

"There are multiple research programs and field experiments on effective ways to detox young men from misogynistic attitudes, whether in youth clubs and other small groups, at the scale of schools, or even by gamifying the identification of propaganda that promotes hate," they argue. "But most countries still lack a unifying strategy for violence reduction." ®
 
>is that activists get bored and move on, while trolls are motivated to endure and survive.
Lmao is this retard serious? The life of today's activist is completely consumed by disrupting society, burning down neighborhoods and grooming.
Meanwhile, as an evil toxified internet troll, I shitpost until I'm bored then get on with my day.
But you probably come back the next day to shitpost some more, while the activists have a billion new shiny things to chase after and they can't keep track of them all so most fall by the wayside after the novelty wears off.
 
The fact that they know they cannot convince people of their positions and instead are devolving into forcing their ethics on people with violence shows that they never really believed in human rights.
Human rights is a convenient thing for them, important for advocating for troons or whatever minority of the week, but an obstacle to overcome for anyone who disagrees with them.

Anyways, I call the big tent in the FEMA owned Kiwifarm death camp.
 
"I know nothing about this and have no intention ever to, but I know that it is trash because you told me it is."
this man is an NPC
The comment is probably sarcastic. "Ban This Filth" was a stupid outrage over some tentacle anime in the early 90's and is associated with ignorant 'Daily Mail' readers.

There was even a spoof comedy show with this name in 2004.
 
you just internalize what you know you'll get in trouble for saying, which looks the same to outsiders.
This is definitely true for me. I no longer engage with anything that might force such speech in real life. I am very careful who I talk to. I’ve also become determined to red pill as many as I can. It’s amazing how being a polite person, and having a ‘forbidden’ view gets people admitting g they feel the same.
There’s a huge number of people who have internalised, and the moment they are able to, they will say what they think. A significant number of those people have been harmed by this censorious repression ( speaking out over covid, me-tooed for smiling at the office temp, sacked for saying humans can’t change sex) and a significant number of those people will want revenge. Previously they’d have been held back by social convention, but all that’s gone now.
 
>boffins
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Rapists, pedophiles and animal abusers don't need to be rounded up and "re-educated" in camps, but people who laugh at men in wigs on the Internet do.
All of those people are extremely useful to totalitarian communist because they know without the protection of a totalitarian communist state they would be lined up against the wall and shot by functioning human beings

Despite labelling their opponents as "nazi" and "fascists", the methods of these castrated woundfuckers would surely make Hitler proud.
Adolf Hitler would never need all of this whining before he just has all of his political enemies rounded it up and eliminated he just does it
 
This is actually a problem. There are too many people who put the milk in first and/or use far too much. And from personal experience, most bafflingly, it’s always the English?! I’m hardly a tea connoisseur but come the fuck on now.
Putting the milk in first is a poorfag custom. Stops cheap china from breaking when hot water is introduced.

Unfortunately it also inhibits teabag infusion.
 
They think that KF is all muh hackers in basements, but just from my interactions here there’s a lot of very normal people being fairly polite to each other and just laughing at clown world.
I am the most boring, normal person IRL. I am the same as I am here, except I don't have to censor my words on this forum. I just say all the things out loud, that I think about.

Tomorrow I'm going to the grocery store, I will buy boring shit like fruits and vegetables and maybe a roast to make this weekend. The next day after that I will take my boomer mother to get her hair done and then I will take my boomer father to his checkup at the doctor.

Then maybe the day after that, yardwork and gardening.

Some of us are so incognito, you'd never know.

or maybe frens, just maybe, i really am a cat who can shitpost lies on the internet when no one is looking.
 
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