Devon Del Vecchio / "Dev" / ShortFatOtaku / @sleepy_devo - Degenerate loser, honorary whiteknight for Lilith Lovett, constantly at odds with his own viewers for being a centrist

[Soi Woh Jak]

Dev is objectively not a liberal
95% of liberals of the 1900s were racialist to one extent to another that was one of the main arguments against empires

You're fucking gay if you think the white man's burden types are even remotely liberal, even by the standards of the time.

 

[Aydin Paladin]

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I wonder if he will ever realise you can't press the breaks forever, eventually you need to actually push backwards.

Dev is trying to contend with the inherent conflict between two beliefs he holds as essentially sacred: 1) the Whig view of history and 2) The 90's was the peak of liberalism. Ultimately, his politics boil down to wanting to just go back to being a kid with someone to take care of him (parents first, now the government) while he plays his video games unperturbed by puritans. A lot of people who came out of GamerGate ended up with some form of serious political convictions, all prompted by the same disgust with nepotism within games journalism, but not Dev, not really. Scrump, Sargon, Milo, etc all ended up taking politics seriously (to varying degrees), but for Dev, I think his interest in GG was entirely about video games without really recognizing the broader issues, that pretty much everyone else managed to detect, that caused it. He had very good takes on the whole GG situation because he at least understood the specific issue there, but not the culture and environment that produced it, not really.

Because he ascribes to the Whig view of history, he believes society is always progressing forward and that all "progress" is good. All change is good. Like many around his age, his perception of conservatism is thoroughly grounded in a 1990s/early 00ss Jack Thompson / Westboro Baptist Church stereotype, while his perception of liberalism is similarly locked in a time capsule of early Daily Show Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert as its avatars. This is where his views collide in dissonance: he both, on some level, recognizes that culture has deteriorated, hence why he wants to retvrn to the year 2000, despite also believing that all history progresses positively forward. He believes both that things always get better as technology and "democracy" spread and advance, while also desperately wanting to go back to being a teenager left alone with his video games, knowing it's the former that has ruined the latter. He cannot reconcile these two beliefs as they are fundamentally incompatible. Either society peaked in the year 2000, or all progress is inherently good - he believes both, and it's why he says such stupid shit with bravado and conviction; because his head is full of bees.

Ultimately, Dev just wants to live in the year 2000, laughing at backwards Christian fundamentalists with his fellow enlightened liberal atheists forever and reset the clock every year so that things never change while still espousing the benefits and necessity of "progress." Of course, this is almost as impossible of a fantasy to manifest as him ever actually catching one of the traps he chases after. Dev inventing a time machine or actually fucking Lilith are equally likely.

 

[Not 6 Foot]

Dev is objectively not a liberal
95% of liberals of the 1900s were racialist to one extent to another that was one of the main arguments against empires

if you read older liberal literature you think it's written by David Duke or Richard Spencer.
The simple fact of the matter is 95% of liberals would have no problem in the 1900s attending KKK meetings and saying black people were always subhuman and find no contradiction

"Actually the Nazis were very liberal, guys."

 

[LurkTrawl]

You're fucking gay if you think the white man's burden types are even remotely liberal, even by the standards of the time.

They might not have been 'liberal' the way we think of it today but those were their forebears ideologically. Most of the pro-DEI identitarian left shit is just white man's burden/noble savage thinking taken to an extreme with one's own in-group racial preference set aside.

He's not wrong. Sort of, Dev is still definitely a liberal. So about half wrong.

So if your not a 1900s liberal your not a liberal at all? I’m sorry I get the point your making but it’s retarded

Theodore Roosevelt, noted Republican, was a progressive.

 

[Celso Bin Portiolli]

The irony

 

[GameratePTSD]

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The irony

He's so obviously seething about the subs leaving, while trying to frame people deciding to ignore him as the emotional ones. The woke SJW snowflakes aren't watching my videos, here's why that's actually a good thing.

 

[Leif Faris Claus]

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I wonder if he will ever realise you can't press the breaks forever, eventually you need to actually push backwards.

Am I reading this right? If he accepts that Carl's statement of "just liberalism" leads to socialism, and then he "actively and rigorously insists on liberal values"...is that not an admission of inevitably becoming socialist? Or is there something I'm missing?

 

[Sargon's wife's son]

"Actually the Nazis were very liberal, guys."

national socialism really doesn't believe in racialism in the original sense of the word the Nazis are a mixture of occult beliefs which were really popular in the 1930 German ultra nationalism enugenics

So if your not a 1900s liberal your not a liberal at all? I’m sorry I get the point your making but it’s retarded

100% modern liberals have no ideological origins in Marxist leninism trotskyism another new left nonsense they have nothing to do with the individualistic mantra and the racialistic aspects of 1900s liberalism
that's the problem with liberals they really should have told all of the suffragettes that liberalism is based on Christian more values and in the Bible men and women have totally different roles to play.

John Jacques Rousseau is not a liberal he was rejected by every single liberal at the time he is a pro Marxist

 

[Judge Dredd]

Ultimately, Dev just wants to live in the year 2000, laughing at backwards Christian fundamentalists

To be fair, it was a simpler, better time...

Because he ascribes to the Whig view of history

I don't think it's that complex. It could be his underlying motivation (I don't know the guy) but to me his slide from decent content creator to lolcow has been a result of him being wrong about Jan 6 and the trucker protests, and his ego can't let that go.

 

[Celso Bin Portiolli]

Am I reading this right? If he accepts that Carl's statement of "just liberalism" leads to socialism, and then he "actively and rigorously insists on liberal values"...is that not an admission of inevitably becoming socialist? Or is there something I'm missing?

In this case, his emotional attachment to liberalism as an idea takes precedence over it being demonstrably unsustainable.
"Just keep doing liberalism harder, that will stop subversion!"

 

[Buck Broken Chimp]

https://youtu.be/qUTOxkBJk80

Thoughts on this video ? I haven't seen much discussion of it here.

I think the biggest flaw with liberalism and one dev kind of addresses here is that so much of liberalism's justification hinges on Tabula Rasa when TR has been debunked for years now.

 

[Gossip Avoider]

he ascribes to the Whig view of history

I could have sworn he subscribes to the pendulum theory and, as a result, thinks it is his duty as a centrist to throw his weight (FAT) against the rising tide of right wing cultural dominance, as he sees the left wing crazies slowly losing said dominance.

 

[Soi Woh Jak]

They might not have been 'liberal' the way we think of it today but those were their forebears ideologically. Most of the pro-DEI identitarian left shit is just white man's burden/noble savage thinking taken to an extreme with one's own in-group racial preference set aside.

He's not wrong. Sort of, Dev is still definitely a liberal. So about half wrong.

Liberalism means you prefer freedom over everything. It can be localised or globalized freedom. Localized freedom is conservatism, globalised freedom is closer to socialism. Both the dei people and cecil rhodes types dont believe that the "lesser races" have autonomy, the former blames white people the latter blames biology. That's definitely not liberalism, not even close. If liberalism were to be equally applied then everybody everywhere independent of immutable or cultural characteristics would be given freedom of self governance, even if the "lesser races" were to murder pillage and eliminate each other. Dev is just a wishy washy retard, he doesn't understand half the things he says because he is too committed to idealized centrism. To a right winger he'd say blacpipo and troons are capable of self governance and to a left winger he'd say blacpipo are deranged murderers and troons love hiv. From the scope he's operating on which is a communitarian scope, both cannot be true at the same time.

 

[FurbusCuckus]

I could have sworn he subscribes to the pendulum theory and, as a result, thinks it is his duty as a centrist to throw his weight (FAT) against the rising tide of right wing cultural dominance, as he sees the left wing crazies slowly losing said dominance.

Oh god, THAT theory, Dev love to bring that up whenever he gets confronted and claim ''ZE EVIL RIGHTIES WILL BE DOIN THE SAME EVIL EVENTUALLY CAUSE BOTH SIDES BAD''

 

[Sargon's wife's son]

I could have sworn he subscribes to the pendulum theory and, as a result, thinks it is his duty as a centrist to throw his weight (FAT) against the rising tide of right wing cultural dominance, as he sees the left wing crazies slowly losing said dominance.

Is the definition of left and right is frankly mentally slow anyways I think the only countries that still have strong monarchist movements are Serbia Russia the UK and France

https://youtu.be/qUTOxkBJk80

Thoughts on this video ? I haven't seen much discussion of it here.

I think the biggest flaw with liberalism and one dev kind of addresses here is that so much of liberalism's justification hinges on Tabula Rasa when TR has been debunked for years now.

He's not a liberal conservative whatsoever a liberal conservative would be a white supremacist and believe that non whites are incapable of understanding the basic premises of liberty which the founding fathers fully thought that was the case.

Also reactionaries we will ultimately correct we said that liberalism would ultimately destroy all of society and lead to overall moral degradation the reason we don't act in an irrational fashion of blowing things up randomly or trying to kill people is because we like rebuilding from the ashes we wanna see liberal society destroy itself.

 

[Aydin Paladin]

I could have sworn he subscribes to the pendulum theory and, as a result, thinks it is his duty as a centrist to throw his weight (FAT) against the rising tide of right wing cultural dominance, as he sees the left wing crazies slowly losing said dominance.

He probably wouldn't use that term because Dev does this thing where he refuses to read certain literature he deems as "fascist", which is anything that doesn't comport to his worldview unless he thinks he can use it as a cudgel. This includes authors like Evola, Spengler, etc who he won't touch, but is also why he claims to have read Unqualified Reservations to "epically debunke" Curtis Yarvin / Mencius Moldbug (releasing soon on a YouTube near you some time after the trucker video. AKA: never). For example, he has repeatedly said that the term "anti-politics", that Scrump and Evelyn use for their work, is a term that Hitler coined. This is completely false and something he invented in his own head, yet he continues to repeat. Scrump and Evelyn didn't coin that term, nor did Hitler, but Dev so hates them so much that he will just lie with reckless abandon in hopes no one checks what he's saying, knowing when he does get checked, he can just accuse those pointing out his retardation as being fascists or communists, depending on the origin of the critique.

Dev does openly ascribe to a pendulum theory, yes, but he is unwittingly (because he actively refuses to read political literature) a Whig view of history proponent. He just thinks that if he reads political literature that it will cloud his otherwise summit-brained IQ takes he comes up with independently, so he can't recognize the terms that describe his own perspective. Scrump did tell me to stop posting here because Dev will use my posts on the big bad naughty KF too as a cudgel, but he has himself posted in this very thread, so I don't see why it harms our massive case against him. When he inevitably plays that card; I think we're all good to go.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

Also reactionaries we will ultimately correct we said that liberalism would ultimately destroy all of society and lead to overall moral degradation the reason we don't act in an irrational fashion of blowing things up randomly or trying to kill people is because we like rebuilding from the ashes we wanna see liberal society destroy itself.

There really isn't a choice in that regard. Normies have to conceive that Democracy is a profoundly retarded way to run a country. For the Right, it'll be the realization that Trump can't be king.

 

[Celso Bin Portiolli]

Normies have to conceive that Democracy is a profoundly retarded way to run a country.

People have long stopped looked at democracy as a means to an end (stable life and government) but as an end in itself.
If there were better alternatives, why are you not allowed to bring them up? What about democracy is so fucking special you can be jailed for questioning it in some places?

 

[DarkEmoMario64]

''He probably wouldn't use that term because Dev does this thing where he refuses to read certain literature he deems as "fascist", which is anything that doesn't comport to his worldview unless he thinks he can use it as a cudgel. This includes authors like Evola, Spengler, etc who he won't touch, but is also why he claims to have read Unqualified Reservations to "epically debunke" Curtis Yarvin / Mencius Moldbug (releasing soon on a YouTube near you some time after the trucker video. AKA: never). For example, he has repeatedly said that the term "anti-politics", that Scrump and Evelyn use for their work, is a term that Hitler coined. This is completely false and something he invented in his own head, yet he continues to repeat. Scrump and Evelyn didn't coin that term, nor did Hitler, but Dev so hates them so much that he will just lie with reckless abandon in hopes no one checks what he's saying, knowing when he does get checked, he can just accuse those pointing out his retardation as being fascists or communists, depending on the origin of the critique.,,

-Aydin Paladin

Writing about ShortFatOtaku making up stuff is so ironic coming from Aydin Paladin

 

[FurbusCuckus]

''He probably wouldn't use that term because Dev does this thing where he refuses to read certain literature he deems as "fascist", which is anything that doesn't comport to his worldview unless he thinks he can use it as a cudgel. This includes authors like Evola, Spengler, etc who he won't touch, but is also why he claims to have read Unqualified Reservations to "epically debunke" Curtis Yarvin / Mencius Moldbug (releasing soon on a YouTube near you some time after the trucker video. AKA: never). For example, he has repeatedly said that the term "anti-politics", that Scrump and Evelyn use for their work, is a term that Hitler coined. This is completely false and something he invented in his own head, yet he continues to repeat. Scrump and Evelyn didn't coin that term, nor did Hitler, but Dev so hates them so much that he will just lie with reckless abandon in hopes no one checks what he's saying, knowing when he does get checked, he can just accuse those pointing out his retardation as being fascists or communists, depending on the origin of the critique.,,

-Aydin Paladin

Writing about ShortFatOtaku making up stuff is so ironic coming from Aydin Paladin

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