Devon Del Vecchio / "Dev" / ShortFatOtaku / @sleepy_devo - Degenerate loser, honorary whiteknight for Lilith Lovett, constantly at odds with his own viewers for being a centrist

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It's going to have to come to a head some day, but they keep delaying it and are making the inevitable breakup even worse.
 
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It's going to have to come to a head some day, but they keep delaying it and are making the inevitable breakup even worse.
To be fair, Vee has been really stuck on the sexy women angle of criticism for a while now. He's playing into a trap that makes him look like a picky retard coomer, as for the most part, Silent Hill 2's remake is far better than you would ever expect from modern day Konami, or Bloober team for that matter. At some point one must take the wins you are given, rather than nitpick about something people have likely already fixed with mods.
 
Vee has been really stuck on the sexy women angle of criticism for a while now
A bit of a tangent but it may be only me but I always found that criticism that Grummz, Vee and others anti-DEI uses of bad looking characters to be retard and it just make they to look worse and to be coomers. What made 90% of the flops of this last 2 years bad wasn't a bad looking character but a subpar, buggy game with a very shitty story.

There's a lot of games like Alien Isolation where the MC isn't pretty and sold a lot. At least 90% of the people that I know don't care about character looks, only if the game is fun and good.
 
A bit of a tangent but it may be only me but I always found that criticism that Grummz, Vee and others anti-DEI uses of bad looking characters to be retard and it just make they to look worse and to be coomers. What made 90% of the flops of this last 2 years bad wasn't a bad looking character but a subpar, buggy game with a very shitty story.

There's a lot of games like Alien Isolation where the MC isn't pretty and sold a lot. At least 90% of the people that I know don't care about character looks, only if the game is fun and good.
Yeah, it's a bit obnoxious to boil it down to "hot girl make good game", when in reality there is something to be said about solid character design, even if that character is not a hot woman. Control is another game that has that similar thing to Alien Isolation. I wouldn't call either protag "ugly" but they don't fall into that coomer bait that these people seem to want.
 
Ugly characters alone does not make a game woke. It is always something else coupled with the ugliness. Maybe it's a previously good looking character being made ugly, maybe it's how it's being pushed as "nice looking" despite not being. But never on it's own.
The problem is the approach more than the ugliness.

Alien: Isolation was never sold with the protagonist's looks being a major point. Amanda is important because of who she is (Ellen's daughter), her looks are mostly irrelevant because the game is played in first person and everybody looks like a creepy doll in that game. So she barely shows up in the promotional material outside of that stylized helmet shot that makes the game's cover. So Amanda being plain as a loaf of white bread isn't woke, her looks just haven't been made important to the game or the promotional material.

Horizon: Zero Dawn was sold in huge part on having a cute redhead as the protagonist. Turning her into pre-dieting Nikocado is woke. Similarly, Concord presented its piss-ugly characters like we were supposed to find them beautiful.

It's not just being ugly, it's being ugly and acting as if it's beautiful. It's trying to shove a new (fucked up) standard of beauty down everybody's throats.
 
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I thought they'd already broken up and it was in the "avoid each other/try not to have fights with one another in public" stage.
Ugly characters alone does not make a game woke. It is always something else coupled with the ugliness. Maybe it's a previously good looking character being made ugly, maybe it's how it's being pushed as "nice looking" despite not being. But never on it's own.
I would argue that what Vee and the like fail to understand is what makes something woke or not is the intent, more than anything. Even if the game or story is absolute shit, or the art looks like it was made by a retarded three year old, it does not make it woke. What makes it woke is the intent of the artist, deliberately making it shit, even when unnecessary, in order to push their progressive message.
Maybe it's just me, but I kinda get the feeling people like Vee and Grummz are losing it and conflating "this game has ugly women/blacks/gays/prog shit" with woke, simply because uglification/'diversity' are the methods used by woke people to hide how much of a shit game they have. And because of that, they end up looking like coomers who'll jump for any kinda bait because it has a big-tittied anime chick.
 
Vee's takes on this are just one big L. I get it though. He played the original as an ESL and not a very good one at that. That being said, I don't like remake culture. If something is a landmark title the way SH2 is, just make the original available, or handle it the way Metroid Prime was handled. Put respect on your predecessors.
 
I thought they'd already broken up and it was in the "avoid each other/try not to have fights with one another in public" stage.
They're definately in the "trying to maintain decorum" stage, but that never lasts on the Internet —especially when one of the parties is Dev who will throw his former "friends" under the bus for good boy points.

I would argue that what Vee and the like fail to understand is what makes something woke or not is the intent, more than anything. Even if the game or story is absolute shit, or the art looks like it was made by a retarded three year old, it does not make it woke. What makes it woke is the intent of the artist, deliberately making it shit, even when unnecessary, in order to push their progressive message.
Maybe it's just me, but I kinda get the feeling people like Vee and Grummz are losing it and conflating "this game has ugly women/blacks/gays/prog shit" with woke, simply because uglification/'diversity' are the methods used by woke people to hide how much of a shit game they have. And because of that, they end up looking like coomers who'll jump for any kinda bait because it has a big-tittied anime chick.
The type of intent is key. I think what makes something woke is that there's an agressive push to include diversity, LGBT, ugly women, etc. in the game because they want to pretend they are in some way helping those people in real life by putting them in a video game. They think that the no fat black women with vitiligo in a video game=no black women with vitaligo worked on a video game.
 
Ugly characters alone does not make a game woke. It is always something else coupled with the ugliness. Maybe it's a previously good looking character being made ugly, maybe it's how it's being pushed as "nice looking" despite not being. But never on it's own.
Yeah I was going to post same also what doesnt help Vee in this case is that he represent other extreme of this debate, because he uses coomer mods.
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It's going to have to come to a head some day, but they keep delaying it and are making the inevitable breakup even worse.

To be fair i did not wanted to comment on this or even screencapping it at all, because the whole thing is on Vee who done a goof, but i appreciate the gesture.

Aside from this, the can00k seemed to been out of the radar since Saturday.

However...........

''Dev, you have been vindicated again''............NO............FUCK YOU!.
 
I thought they'd already broken up and it was in the "avoid each other/try not to have fights with one another in public" stage.

I would argue that what Vee and the like fail to understand is what makes something woke or not is the intent, more than anything. Even if the game or story is absolute shit, or the art looks like it was made by a retarded three year old, it does not make it woke. What makes it woke is the intent of the artist, deliberately making it shit, even when unnecessary, in order to push their progressive message.
Maybe it's just me, but I kinda get the feeling people like Vee and Grummz are losing it and conflating "this game has ugly women/blacks/gays/prog shit" with woke, simply because uglification/'diversity' are the methods used by woke people to hide how much of a shit game they have. And because of that, they end up looking like coomers who'll jump for any kinda bait because it has a big-tittied anime chick.
Ugly women/blacks/gays/prog shit is a decent enough definition for usual purposes. These people aren't putting this stuff in there to hide anything, they genuinely believe it's aspirational and or how the world is/should be. The same way a normal writer might have in the past written about a young man going on adventures and becoming a hero, these people write a tranny coping and seething and standing up to white cisarchy or something.
They don't have to "try" to push anything their mind just operates this way, they would have to actively "censor" themselves to tone this down, so I don't think intent is the key to this. Of course there is more nuance to how this actually works in an organization with many people involved.

They actively make people ugly because that's what they want to see, whereas before artists would look to beauty because it's pleasing and aspirational now they look to ugliness because it allows them to cope with their own self. That and the social pressure currently produce what you see in games nowadays. The end result is the issue, at least for me.
 
The entire thing is one massive "he said they said" and a fucking rats nest of technicalities.

Faithless electors have been a thing the entire US history. The idea of the states sending electors to vote in a different way than what their local votes said they should is literally built into the EC as a safeguard for cases where there is some sort of upset such as fraud, death of a candidate, sudden inegibility or more.

No one cares Dev. It's now almost 4 years in the past.
 
I love how this is the third "dev picks a fight with his fans" video in the past 3 weeks.

I've been a fan of his work (dev himself is a libertine weirdo but his work is alright) for several years now and its a shame to see him go down this road.

Ultimately, beyond TDS to anything else, I think the issue is that dev at the end of the day trusts and supports The System™ (the government, conglomerate of media institutions, academia, etc.), and puts a religious level of faith in it since he sees it as peak liberalism.

I feel that what dev has discovered as of late is not that his audience is a bunch of ebil right wing trump supporters, but rather that Trump, and devs audience do not love (or at least thats the appearance trump gives) The System™ and would like to see major changes to it. Dev feels very threatened by the idea and what we see here is his reactions and attempts to protect his peak liberalism.
He cannot and will not even admit that there might be very legitimate and real, and or fundamental issues with any of it, so he must ignore all failings of it and run defense all the time. A good example of this is how he constantly draws differences between "liberals" and breadtube commies and progs, and blames the latter for woke stuff, despite the fact that it was the liberals that went along with it being pushed until things got to where they are now.
 
If Trump wins, the meltdown is going to be legendary.
No he's going to be grinning ear from ear, while me makes videos where he goes. "Here's why Trump's new tax policy is actually bad!" "Is Trump starting another war? It sure looks like it!" He's going to become one of Trump's reply guys and claim he's only doing it because it's the right's turn to be criticized.
 
Okay, we all know he's just doing what Destiny is doing with the whole Jan 6th video thing. Now, what's the odds that he directly mentions Destiny in his video, or acts like he's original and not influenced by the midget at all?
 

OK, here's the video where Dev is going to be PROOOVING once and for all Trump tried to steal the election.
I can't wait for the response videos.

Edit: not even out and comments are a gem
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