Disney General - The saddest fandom on Earth

[XYZpdq]

Interesting, what on Earth could they want that land for? Were they planning on finally building another park in Florida?

There's been a few large-ish land buys over the past couple of years, like around Celebration and stuff. I recall one of the speculations was that this way as they develop around the existing parks they have more acres of wetland for some wetland conservation quota they have to follow.
Also one of them was a ranch or something that they were (iirc) trying to buy for decades but the old owner finally died and the heirs just wanted the cash.
I suspect there's been an element of "we have the opportunity to buy around the existing property, it's not likely to come up again if speculators buy it" with no specific goal in mind for the land, but they'll figure something out as the situation arises. Even if it's just a pile of alligators and mud it's still not another restaurant or gift shop that might get a sale instead of the mouse.

 

[Trilby]

The latter half of the 90s and the year 2000 is a fascinating period of Disney to analyze.

Their movies were still big friggin' deals, but the receptions were more mixed, I don't remember disliking Hunchback, Hercules, Mulan or Tarzan, but they didn't inspire the same passion Aladdin, Beauty and The Beast and Lion King did for me.

My favorite movie of that period would be The Emperor's New Groove as a matter of fact, but then in 2001 things started dropping off hard and fast, first there was California Adventure and then the box office failure of Atlantis, followed by Treasure Planet in 2002.

By 2003/2004 it seemed like the public interest in Disney had waned a lot, about the only things from that era that made waves was Lilo & Stitch, Kingdom Hearts and the Pirates of the Caribbean movies.

And Pixar of course, but that was technically a separate thing until 2006.

The 2000s was just not Disney's decade, it was a pretty cynical culture, whether that was because of the post-9/11 era or just the general zeitgeist, Disney was very out of lockstep with the culture of the time unlike the 1990s which seemed tailor made for Disney, it's weird how quick things can change, but it's happened again, from Disney seeming on top of the world a decade ago to now getting fucked in the ass by Corona-Chan.

Things change fast.



Interesting, what on Earth could they want that land for? Were they planning on finally building another park in Florida?



At first I thought they made that change because they thought the sight of a woman and a washer and dryer was politically incorrect, at least the real reason isn't that stupid.

But what the heck is that supposed to be that they replaced it with? A cabinet and a pizza box?

Looks that way, why can't the cabinet have a normal door on it? I guess opening it from the side than the top was out of the question to re-animate if they didn't want to re-time everything in that scene.

 

[MysticMisty]

Looks that way, why can't the cabinet have a normal door on it? I guess opening it from the side than the top was out of the question to re-animate if they didn't want to re-time everything in that scene.

I think it's meant to be an end table, hence why it's mostly enclosed but with an open space for books or magazines.

 

[friedshrimp]

Disney in the 2000s became unpopular not only because of the parks or the "bad" movies they were making, but because Pixar and Shrek arrived at the end of the 90s, just after the Renaissance finished, and took a big dump on the 'Disney formula'.
Ugly protagonists, no princesses unless they were Fiona, no songs...Every decision made in their films was so that their films could be as different as they could from the typical Disney film of the era.
People after engulfing a decade of Disney cliches happily ate this, plus CGI was seen as the new cool toy, so people wanted more light-hearted funny CGI comedies and big, emotional musical Disney movies based on old stories were seen as old-fashioned and corny. Maybe it's true that the 2000s/late 90s started the whole "cynical" movement that has been going still to this day.

 

[Scarlett Johansson]

“Black Widow” — My film got pushed back to Nov. 6, 2020, taking the place of fellow Marvel adventure “The Eternals.” That shift pushed back most upcoming films in Marvel Cinematic Universe, now releasing as follows:

“The Eternals” on Feb. 12, 2021,
“Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings” on May 7, 2021,
“Doctor Strange 2” on Nov. 5, 2021
“Thor: Love and Thunder” on Feb. 18, 2022.
“Black Panther 2” will still debut May 8, 2022
“Captain Marvel 2” has been set for July 8, 2022.

Non MCU

“Mulan” has been pushed to July 24, 2020
"Jungle Cruise" is June 20 2021
"Indiana Jones 5" - July 29th 2022

Fox things

Ryan Reynolds’ “Free Guy,”- Dec. 11, 2020.
“The French Dispatch,” - Oct. 16, 2020.

No new release dates:

"David Copperfield", "New Mutants", "The Woman in the Window"

Remains on original release dates for now:

"Soul", "West Side Story", "The Last Duel", presumably "Raya".

"Artemis Fowl" - Disney+. Date not determined.

 

[Dom Cruise]

Whoa, Jungle Cruise got pushed all the way back to next year?

 

[Muttnik]

"West Side Story"

This should just be flat-out cancelled. The original was perfect the way it was.

 

[Scarlett Johansson]

This should just be flat-out cancelled. The original was perfect the way it was.

But how can the unfortunate teen girls live without this shining nepotism Adonis?

 

[Trilby]

This should just be flat-out cancelled. The original was perfect the way it was.

How I feel too, and I watched that back in Junior High!

 

[Someone in a Tree]

The thing that baffles me about this new West Side Story is that Steven Spielberg is directing it and Tony Kushner adapted the screenplay. That’s probably the most raw talent I’ve seen in a film that feels completely unnecessary. The prior Spielberg/Kushner movies were Munich and Lincoln, which I find to be among the director’s best.

 

[MysticMisty]

"Indiana Jones 5" - July 29th 2022

Not that I particularly want or care about a fifth Indiana Jones movie, but Harrison Ford is old enough that he could die before filming even starts and cancel the whole thing.

 

[Muttnik]

The thing that baffles me about this new West Side Story is that Steven Spielberg is directing it and Tony Kushner adapted the screenplay. That’s probably the most raw talent I’ve seen in a film that feels completely unnecessary. The prior Spielberg/Kushner movies were Munich and Lincoln, which I find to be among the director’s best.

Isn't it also considered an unspoken taboo to remake a Best Picture winner? I mean, it was already the best movie it could be, as confirmed by the most mainstream source of critical film opinions in the west. What is a remake going to add to the mix?

Fuck these heartless hacks.

 

[Dom Cruise]

The thing that baffles me about this new West Side Story is that Steven Spielberg is directing it and Tony Kushner adapted the screenplay. That’s probably the most raw talent I’ve seen in a film that feels completely unnecessary. The prior Spielberg/Kushner movies were Munich and Lincoln, which I find to be among the director’s best.

I also don't get why Spielberg is wasting his time with a West Side Story remake.

 

[Syaoran Li]

Isn't it also considered an unspoken taboo to remake a Best Picture winner? I mean, it was already the best movie it could be, as confirmed by the most mainstream source of critical film opinions in the west. What is a remake going to add to the mix?

Fuck these heartless hacks.

It is, which is one of the reasons why we've never seen a remake of The Godfather saga despite its enduring popularity and target of Boomer and Generation X nostalgia, and the overall creative bankruptcy in Hollywood.

Now, a movie that got nominated for Best Picture but did not win is generally considered fair game depending on the title in question. I'd imagine some of the more infamous award snubs like Saving Private Ryan or Goodfellas would also not get remade for a similar unspoken reason.

I also don't get why Spielberg is wasting his time with a West Side Story remake.

Best guess is that Spielberg is probably fulfilling some contract obligation with Disney so he can do another project that he is more focused on. It is a very common thing in the movie industry.

Spielberg is also the kind of guy who has a respect for the old rules of Hollywood and cinema, a trait he shares with guys like Scorsese and Coppola, both of whom are New Hollywood remnants like he is. The only reason why he would violate one of those unspoken traditions is because he's being forced to. Disney probably won't let him do some passion project of his unless he makes West Side Story first.

The difference between Spielberg and Scorsese and Coppola is that Spielberg isn't on The Rat's shit list like the other two are since he hasn't been vocal in his disdain for the MCU like they were.

Also, Francis Ford Coppola is mostly retired and in poor health, while Scorsese is probably nearing the end zone himself and I'm surprised he hasn't retired yet. As it is, I kind of get the impression that The Irishman was meant as a "last hurrah" for Scorsese given the film's subject matter and casting choices.

With COVID-19 taking a bat to Hollywood combined with Scorsese's advanced age, I wouldn't be surprised if he actually does decide to announce his retirement in the near future.

 

[Someone in a Tree]

It is, which is one of the reasons why we've never seen a remake of The Godfather saga despite its enduring popularity and target of Boomer and Generation X nostalgia, and the overall creative bankruptcy in Hollywood.

Now, a movie that got nominated for Best Picture but did not win is generally considered fair game depending on the title in question. I'd imagine some of the more infamous award snubs like Saving Private Ryan or Goodfellas would also not get remade for a similar unspoken reason.



Best guess is that Spielberg is probably fulfilling some contract obligation with Disney so he can do another project that he is more focused on. It is a very common thing in the movie industry.

Spielberg is also the kind of guy who has a respect for the old rules of Hollywood and cinema, a trait he shares with guys like Scorsese and Coppola, both of whom are New Hollywood remnants like he is. The only reason why he would violate one of those unspoken traditions is because he's being forced to. Disney probably won't let him do some passion project of his unless he makes West Side Story first.

The difference between Spielberg and Scorsese and Coppola is that Spielberg isn't on The Rat's shit list like the other two are since he hasn't been vocal in his disdain for the MCU like they were.

Also, Francis Ford Coppola is mostly retired and in poor health, while Scorsese is probably nearing the end zone himself and I'm surprised he hasn't retired yet. As it is, I kind of get the impression that The Irishman was meant as a "last hurrah" for Scorsese given the film's subject matter and casting choices.

With COVID-19 taking a bat to Hollywood combined with Scorsese's advanced age, I wouldn't be surprised if he actually does decide to announce his retirement in the near future.

That’s the thing, this is not a contractual obligation. Spielberg spent YEARS pursuing the rights to remake West Side Story and set it up at Fox long before the Disney takeover. By all accounts, this is a dream project for him. He’s been wanting to make a musical for decades. It should be noted that Sondheim is not a big fan of the original film, and that’s apparently a sentiment shared by Broadway enthusiasts.

 

[Syaoran Li]

That’s the thing, this is not a contractual obligation. Spielberg spent YEARS pursuing the rights to remake West Side Story and set it up at Fox long before the Disney takeover. By all accounts, this is a dream project for him. He’s been wanting to make a musical for decades. It should be noted that Sondheim is not a big fan of the original film, and that’s apparently a sentiment shared by Broadway enthusiasts.

Now this, I did not know. I don't really know much about Broadway, so forgive my ignorance on this.

I do know about the unspoken rule about not remaking a Best Picture winner among the old-timers in Hollywood. Given this information, I suppose Spielberg would consider a more faithful remake of West Side Story to be a special exception to that tradition.

 

[Overcast]

It is, which is one of the reasons why we've never seen a remake of The Godfather saga despite its enduring popularity and target of Boomer and Generation X nostalgia, and the overall creative bankruptcy in Hollywood.

Now, a movie that got nominated for Best Picture but did not win is generally considered fair game depending on the title in question. I'd imagine some of the more infamous award snubs like Saving Private Ryan or Goodfellas would also not get remade for a similar unspoken reason.



Best guess is that Spielberg is probably fulfilling some contract obligation with Disney so he can do another project that he is more focused on. It is a very common thing in the movie industry.

Spielberg is also the kind of guy who has a respect for the old rules of Hollywood and cinema, a trait he shares with guys like Scorsese and Coppola, both of whom are New Hollywood remnants like he is. The only reason why he would violate one of those unspoken traditions is because he's being forced to. Disney probably won't let him do some passion project of his unless he makes West Side Story first.

The difference between Spielberg and Scorsese and Coppola is that Spielberg isn't on The Rat's shit list like the other two are since he hasn't been vocal in his disdain for the MCU like they were.

Also, Francis Ford Coppola is mostly retired and in poor health, while Scorsese is probably nearing the end zone himself and I'm surprised he hasn't retired yet. As it is, I kind of get the impression that The Irishman was meant as a "last hurrah" for Scorsese given the film's subject matter and casting choices.

With COVID-19 taking a bat to Hollywood combined with Scorsese's advanced age, I wouldn't be surprised if he actually does decide to announce his retirement in the near future.

It’s funny, I watched The Godfather for the first time last night, and I can just imagine them taking the movie and trying to scrub out any trace of racist or offensive remarks and releasing it today.

Damn, would the backlash be huge.

 

[2021Murder]

The thing that baffles me about this new West Side Story is that Steven Spielberg is directing it and Tony Kushner adapted the screenplay. That’s probably the most raw talent I’ve seen in a film that feels completely unnecessary. The prior Spielberg/Kushner movies were Munich and Lincoln, which I find to be among the director’s best.

Spielberg has sort of lost his touch since Munich. He's quite the boomer in that respect. look at the films he's directed since. Indian Jones 4, Tintin, BFG, Ready Player One. and now West Side Story. His filmography the past 15 years reads like a below average director in the 80s. even his oscar bait films are maudlin now.

If Spielberg retired after Munich and some other guy directed the crap he put out since, people would see past the reputation and see it for the "meh" it is. West Side Story will end up being as shit as The BFG, a film that like most of Disney's Live Action output, is fucking terrible compared to the made-for-tv movies it rips off. if you've been following Spielberg the last 15 years; he's lost his touch for picking good products and feels that just the idea of him making it should be enough to put asses in seats. Which is why he just makes whatever passion projects he had decades ago (like BFG) does a shit job and moves on and you don't even have to take my word for it. Here's the proof

Steven Spielberg's going to make us his bitch!

(don't worry though, his next film after this is an action film starring an 80 year old and a different film about spics kidnapping a (((white kid))) and forcing him to become christian.)

 

[Trilby]

It’s funny, I watched The Godfather for the first time last night, and I can just imagine them taking the movie and trying to scrub out any trace of racist or offensive remarks and releasing it today.

Damn, would the backlash be huge.

Sure would. That was what made the movie work at all.

 

[Someone in a Tree]

Spielberg has sort of lost his touch since Munich. He's quite the boomer in that respect. look at the films he's directed since. Indian Jones 4, Tintin, BFG, Ready Player One. and now West Side Story. His filmography the past 15 years reads like a below average director in the 80s. even his oscar bait films are maudlin now.

If Spielberg retired after Munich and some other guy directed the crap he put out since, people would see past the reputation and see it for the "meh" it is. West Side Story will end up being as shit as The BFG, a film that like most of Disney's Live Action output, is fucking terrible compared to the made-for-tv movies it rips off. if you've been following Spielberg the last 15 years; he's lost his touch for picking good products and feels that just the idea of him making it should be enough to put asses in seats. Which is why he just makes whatever passion projects he had decades ago (like BFG) does a shit job and moves on and you don't even have to take my word for it. Here's the proof

Steven Spielberg's going to make us his bitch!

(don't worry though, his next film after this is an action film starring an 80 year old and a different film about spics kidnapping a (((white kid))) and forcing him to become christian.)

He’s no longer directing Indiana Jones 5 and the other film (another Kushner project) has been indefinitely delayed for over three years after failing to find a lead.