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Which is Better

  • Chicken Little

    Votes: 433 27.5%

  • Hunchback 2

    Votes: 57 3.6%

  • A slow death

    Votes: 1,087 68.9%
  • Total voters
    1,577
Skitzels said:
Plus, with that kind of story the moral would’ve been “its okay to admit that you're wrong and apologize while rectifying your mistake”. Honestly, it's the type of message that I think kids need to be presented to them more. That its not a state of weakness to admit to being in the wrong so long as you try to fix it.

And the film could’ve ended on reaching a reasonable middle ground. King could've returned wishes that are too vague while advising the dreamer to revise their wish so that it's more grounded and realistic. Asha could also be his apprentice by the end, but with a better understanding of his job/why he doesn't grant all wishes. Especially if, while reversing the chaos he takes on a last-minute mentor role upon realizing that's she's the only candidate who has the potential to help him in this task.

Goddamn, this really could've been a better movie than it was. It really dropped the ball in so many areas
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No way is the strong black woman going to be wrong or have to apologize in disney movie. That's what happened.
 
Rome's rightful successor said:
Question for everyone on this thread. What was the last time Disney was fully good in your eyes or at least what was the last good Disney movie you saw?
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Tangled.
Coo Coo Bird said:
Really, who the hell would want to watch an Aladdin movie that accurately reflected Muslim values? It would have Aladdin having his hand cut off for stealing, Jasmine being married off at twelve and the Sultan not caring because he has thirty kids from ten different women.
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I'd watch that, it would funny as fuck.
 
Skitzels said:
A talented writer who isn't blinded by corporate ideology would have let all the wishes be granted, and the rest of the movie would be about Asha correcting her mistake
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I wouldn't call it corporate ideology but just the consequence of the average nepotistic Disney writer (wrote for a woman because it's probably is those days). The average writer has a ridiculous sense of entitlement and reached where she is purely through other people allowing her rather than any hard work. For her the idea of not getting her wish granted is incredibly cruel, she doesn't think of the consequences because she is literally too stupid and immature to consider them.
If you ask her what would happen if a bad wish was made, she would just argue that bad people wouldn't get a wish in the first place. Because she lives in a black and white world view.
Amber the Hedgehog said:
I thought that Jasmine being dressed in provocative manner was the point, not a mistake. Most women on the screen are covered up, including her when she escaped from the palace. She is a rebellious but extremely sheltered princess so she pushes boundaries with clothes. Her father lets her get away with dressing like whore because that's where he picks his battles. It's made clear that he isn't exactly sure how to parent her and is extremely concerned about her future. Witch is why he's pushing her to get married and be happy and protected by a good husband.
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Pretty sure the animators just wanted a hot middle eastern girl in sexy clothing.
 
wtfNeedSignUp said:
Pretty sure the animators just wanted a hot middle eastern girl in sexy clothing.
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Wasn't she based on the sister of her main animator? Yeah, I checked while inspired by exotic super models, Taj Mahal and a random park guest with a black hair the main inspiration for the final designs was his younger sister. I know artists are pervs but still...
 
Amber the Hedgehog said:
Wasn't she based on the sister of her main animator? Yeah, I checked while inspired by exotic super models, Taj Mahal and a random park guest with a black hair the main inspiration for the final designs was his younger sister. I know artists are pervs but still...
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Also, it was just kind of the style of the time, wasn't it? Or perhaps the lead-in. I remember the later 90's and 00s as a time where teenagers actually just wore midriff baring shirts with hip huggers and didn't think it was a big deal. We kind of were okay with moving into adulthood as teenagers instead of wanting to be viewed as large toddlers.

Aladdin and Jasmine were both designed to appeal to the concept of the current teen of that era than being a period accurate. That's also what made them cool and inspiring to the older elementary school kids and middle schoolers of the time.
 
Escaped Abortion said:
Also, it was just kind of the style of the time, wasn't it? Or perhaps the lead-in. I remember the later 90's and 00s as a time where teenagers actually just wore midriff baring shirts with hip huggers and didn't think it was a big deal. We kind of were okay with moving into adulthood as teenagers instead of wanting to be viewed as large toddlers.

Aladdin and Jasmine were both designed to appeal to the concept of the current teen of that era than being a period accurate. That's also what made them cool and inspiring to the older elementary school kids and middle schoolers of the time.
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I could see that. Saw a lot of that in my 90's teen world.

For me, pre-2001 Disney is my pick.
 
Rome's rightful successor said:
Question for everyone on this thread. What was the last time Disney was fully good in your eyes or at least what was the last good Disney movie you saw?
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I feel like it was a slow gradual decline, but it definitely got much much worse like five years or so ago. Trump winning literally broke the left and they went all in on batshit crazy propaganda. The first few shows that were too late to rewrite were ok, but as the Agenda took over things fell apart quickly. It is still pretty sporadic, as Onward was excellent and the first show to make me literally cry in a very long time.
 
AnsemSoD1 said:
Is Agrabah even Muslim? Or is it some strange lenient variant of Coptic Christianity?
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I always thought it was mythical pre-Islamic Middle East. The people who pointed and laughed at Muhammed and hurt his ego so he recruited a bunch of bandits and went back and slaughtered them.
 
Escaped Abortion said:
Also, it was just kind of the style of the time, wasn't it? Or perhaps the lead-in. I remember the later 90's and 00s as a time where teenagers actually just wore midriff baring shirts with hip huggers and didn't think it was a big deal. We kind of were okay with moving into adulthood as teenagers instead of wanting to be viewed as large toddlers.

Aladdin and Jasmine were both designed to appeal to the concept of the current teen of that era than being a period accurate. That's also what made them cool and inspiring to the older elementary school kids and middle schoolers of the time.
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Aladdin came out in 1992. This was peak grunge, alternative, Riot Grrl era. This was the year Nevermind was released. Britney Spears was still 6 years away.

AnsemSoD1 said:
Is Agrabah even Muslim? Or is it some strange lenient variant of Coptic Christianity?
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This being the Farms people are wildly overthinking this aspect of Aladdin. There's no religion whatsoever in Aladdin, any more than there is in Beauty & The Beast or Little Mermaid. The only explicitly "religious" subject matter you see in classic Disney are Frollo's neuroses in Hunchback.
 
Magnifico is meant to be a Donald Trump allegory, so the filmmakers have to do their damnedest to prove them wrong regardless of how contradictory it is.

The big issue is that he's right, if you just grant everyone wishes mindlessly, you'll create a domino effect that could very well destroy everything (every action has its equal and opposite reaction).

Not everybody has the same philosophies on life nor political positions, so how could you possibly please everybody?

Furthermore, I find it ironic that the queen is let off the hook despite the fact that there's no way that she wouldn't know about her husband's intentions.

What is stopping the queen from doing the same thing down the line?

Better make both of them villains and have them just be a more villainous take on Gomez and Morticia or just make the situation a lot more nuanced
 
A Sentient Cloud said:
Aladdin came out in 1992. This was peak grunge, alternative, Riot Grrl era. This was the year Nevermind was released. Britney Spears was still 6 years away.
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While those were certainly styles of that time, but Buffy the Vampire Slayer the Movie had the midriff style in 1992, as did Clarissa Explains it All which aired in 1991 and she wore a midriff shirt in her intro for a Nickelodeon show. They couldn't have been seen as that out of place or inappropriate for a teenager at the time, as I don't remember viewing it as scandalous or out of place, just cool and iconic. Christina Applegate also had several roles in that time period where she sported a similar look, though Kelly Bundy was not an ideal role model. The look wasn't pioneered by Britney Spears, just popularized, if even. I mean the Spice Girls predated her by four years and they also dressed like that. It might have reached its crescendo in the 00's, but it wasn't unusual in even the early 90s.

Jasmine was slightly ahead of the trend, but the idea that someone working on that film saw a teenager dressed sort of like that, especially in California or Florida, where it's hot, doesn't sound that surprising. Grunge is definitely a memorable fashion trend of the 90s.

As for someone asking about favorite modern Disney movie... well, Tangled is definitely the one I've watched the most.. but I think Moana is fine too. Finally got around to watching Encanto, and it was okay, just not really what I want out of a Disney movie since it was a little low stakes. That's a little unfair though, since I think I would be fine with that from Pixar.

I wonder if Mirabel will inherit her grandmother's room when she croaks, or if she's going to have to take her future dates back to the nursery? I mean, there's no other kids there now, at least, or that would get awkward.
 
The Babylon Bee scored a critical hit on the mouse with this one :story:
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