Disney General - The saddest fandom on Earth

[Terrifik]

I thought the first video was from Nerdrotic given the thumbnail style.

That's Wdw pro
most youtubers getting samey with the thumbnails.
Wdw higherup Know Disney leaker.

 

[AnsemSoD1]

That's Wdw pro
most youtubers getting samey with the thumbnails.
Wdw higherup Know Disney leaker.

Known leaker? That doesn't look like our future ruler of Earth.

 

[Terrifik]

Known leaker? That doesn't look like our future ruler of Earth.

He is the one mostly cited with clownfish tv.

 

[AnsemSoD1]

How reliable is Doomkike anyway?

 

[Molly White's Breast Milk]

How reliable is Doomkike anyway?

Let me tell you my story about why I unsubbed from Doomcuck.

One morning several years ago I wake up and check 4chan for news and then head over to /tv/ where I was greeted by a thread from a leaker who claimed to be working for Kurtzman at Secret Hideout, the studio making Star Trekiscovery. The leaker claimed that Kurtzman watched a "youtube critique" of STD and was so angry he punched a TV in the office. It was heavily implied that he had watched a Doomcuck video. The post was clearly a shitpost and everyone made jokes about it. I chuckle and go about my day. I come home that night and see there's a new Doomcuk video. I fire it up and it's him claiming his "sources" told him Kurtzman punched a TV after watching one of his anti-ST videos. I sighed, did a Picard facepalm, and unsubbed.

I have no idea what he's like now but I can't imagine he has any real sources especially after the Ryan Kinel/FNT drama.

 

[AnsemSoD1]

Let me tell you my story about why I unsubbed from Doomcuck.

One morning several years ago I wake up and check 4chan for news and then head over to /tv/ where I was greeted by a thread from a leaker who claimed to be working for Kurtzman at Secret Hideout, the studio making Star Trekiscovery. The leaker claimed that Kurtzman watched a "youtube critique" of STD and was so angry he punched a TV in the office. It was heavily implied that he had watched a Doomcuck video. The post was clearly a shitpost and everyone made jokes about it. I chuckle and go about my day. I come home that night and see there's a new Doomcuk video. I fire it up and it's him claiming his "sources" told him Kurtzman punched a TV after watching one of his anti-ST videos. I sighed, did a Picard facepalm, and unsubbed.

I have no idea what he's like now but I can't imagine he has any real sources especially after the Ryan Kinel/FNT drama.

What drama? Did Ryan calling him a fucking retard of all things before cucking out a second later really damage FNT that badly?

 

[Molly White's Breast Milk]

What drama? Did Ryan calling him a fucking retard of all things before cucking out a second later really damage FNT that badly?

During a FNT three or four years ago Ryan was complaining about people claiming KK was going to be fired any day without directly calling out Doomcuck. Rags from Mauler's crew kept pushing him to get him to say Doomcuck and Kinel gave in and directly called him out for his bullshit. Everyone laughed and agreed while Gary stayed quiet because he was still doing his boring ass CoastToCoastAM rip off podcast with him. Doomcuck immediately began crying and his followers tried to cancel Kinel but it came to naught because everyone in the FNT/Fandom Menance sphere hates Doomcucks bullshit. If you search through RK Outpost's video you'll probably find the couple of videos he made about it.

 

[AnsemSoD1]

During a FNT three or four years ago Ryan was complaining about people claiming KK was going to be fired any day without directly calling out Doomcuck. Rags from Mauler's crew kept pushing him to get him to say Doomcuck and Kinel gave in and directly called him out for his bullshit. Everyone laughed and agreed while Gary stayed quiet because he was still doing his boring ass CoastToCoastAM rip off podcast with him. Doomcuck immediately began crying and his followers tried to cancel Kinel but it came to naught because everyone in the FNT/Fandom Menance sphere hates Doomcucks bullshit. If you search through RK Outpost's video you'll probably find the couple of videos he made about it.

On a scale of 1-10 how retarded is The Fandom Menace? I don't know but the meltdowns from it are hilarious. The future ruler of Earth has some pretty thin skin apparently.

 

[PizzaPoppa]

I will have to agree 2005 Disney

So I lose -UP, Bighero6, Ratatouille, Cars, Rio, Brave, wreck-it Ralph, Moana, Coco, Tangled, before mix-marvel, Live action-Disney Movies, Zootopia,
Wall-e, frozen

I'm not counting Pixar or Marvel. Big Hero 6 was gay, Rio is bland, Wreck it ralph is Soy, Moana is lame, Tangled is cringe, Frozen is for little girls, and Chicken Little walked so Zootopia can run, also that movie is for furries.

 

[Molly White's Breast Milk]

The FNT crew I'd rate at probably a 5 or 6 on the retard level. Chrissy Meyr brings the show down with her shitty jokes but once in a great while she's funny. Her Frosk and Grace Randolph parodies are the funniest she gets. Kinel is pretty based and tries to hide it but will slip up like when he complained about the $35 billion we send to Israel every year. Odin and Comix Division don't really say much and should probably be dropped from the show. Az, aka FUCKING PRONOUNS, yells a lot and that's about it. Gary is a convicted felon who used to own a famous comic book shop in San Francisco until he started using cocaine again and will say this many times. It's only worth watching FNT when something big happens with nerd shit like The Marvels failing because it's the only time they're close to being entertaining.

 

[AnsemSoD1]

The FNT crew I'd rate at probably a 5 or 6 on the retard level. Chrissy Meyr brings the show down with her shitty jokes but once in a great while she's funny. Her Frosk and Grace Randolph parodies are the funniest she gets. Kinel is pretty based and tries to hide it but will slip up like when he complained about the $35 billion we send to Israel every year. Odin and Comix Division don't really say much and should probably be dropped from the show. Az, aka FUCKING PRONOUNS, yells a lot and that's about it. Gary is a convicted felon who used to own a famous comic book shop in San Francisco until he started using cocaine again and will say this many times. It's only worth watching FNT when something big happens with nerd shit like The Marvels failing because it's the only time they're close to being entertaining.

Why doesn't Kinel just leave? Is it that Geeks & Gamers faggotry deal keeping him onboard? And what happened to Tom from Midnight's Edge?

 

[Terrifik]

The FNT crew I'd rate at probably a 5 or 6 on the retard level. Chrissy Meyr brings the show down with her shitty jokes but once in a great while she's funny. Her Frosk and Grace Randolph parodies are the funniest she gets. Kinel is pretty based and tries to hide it but will slip up like when he complained about the $35 billion we send to Israel every year. Odin and Comix Division don't really say much and should probably be dropped from the show. Az, aka FUCKING PRONOUNS, yells a lot and that's about it. Gary is a convicted felon who used to own a famous comic book shop in San Francisco until he started using cocaine again and will say this many times. It's only worth watching FNT when something big happens with nerd shit like The Marvels failing because it's the only time they're close to being entertaining.

Why doesn't Kinel just leave? Is it that Geeks & Gamers faggotry deal keeping him onboard? And what happened to Tom from Midnight's Edge?

6
10 to 1 they are offline friends and they know each other.

Most of Disney's issue with why people are still watching (G&G &...) is the apathy that they will change in 2023 from being political to apolitical.

is it Cringe to consume YouTube- yes but, better than spending money on Disney products. ( i believe mostly waste time but there are better things to do)

Or can ignore just wait for it to burn or implode.

.....

 

[A Sentient Cloud]

While those were certainly styles of that time, but Buffy the Vampire Slayer the Movie had the midriff style in 1992, as did Clarissa Explains it All which aired in 1991 and she wore a midriff shirt in her intro for a Nickelodeon show. They couldn't have been seen as that out of place or inappropriate for a teenager at the time, as I don't remember viewing it as scandalous or out of place, just cool and iconic. Christina Applegate also had several roles in that time period where she sported a similar look, though Kelly Bundy was not an ideal role model. The look wasn't pioneered by Britney Spears, just popularized, if even.

I don't think anyone here is claiming that Jasmine's look was scandalous (Aladdin was shirtless, too, and so was the Genie), just that Disney was playing into a very old Orientalist trope about how "Arabian" women dress, and it resulted in an Arab princess wearing an outfit that's essentially the Near Eastern version of a g-string and lucite heels. Some people found that offensive. It is what it is.

Remember that no one had an issue with the uber-sexy red outfit Jasmine wears at the end when she's manipulating Jafar, because it's supposed to be sexy.

I mean the Spice Girls predated [Britney Spears] by four years and they also dressed like that.

Only Sporty and Scary did. Baby, Ginger, and Posh all generally went for minidresses. Also, Wannabe came out in 1996, ...Baby One More Time in 1998. Two years, not four.

Jasmine was slightly ahead of the trend, but the idea that someone working on that film saw a teenager dressed sort of like that, especially in California or Florida, where it's hot, doesn't sound that surprising.

Nobody was walking around Venice Beach or Key West in a silk belly dancer's outfit in 1992, unless it was Halloween and they were going as Jasmine (or I Dream of Jeannie). Again, @Coo Coo Bird's post several pages back shows very convincingly where Disney's inspirations came from.

Finally, just because some people here don't have a great knowledge on the history here, no one's arguing that Jasmine should have been wearing a niqab (although you'll remember she DOES wear an abaya and a veil when she goes out in public for the first time), just that there's a range of fashion inspiration they could have taken between "hoochie coochie girl" and "full burkha," especially considering the massive geographical range covered in 1001 Arabian Nights. They didn't, it's fine, it happens, but that was the decision that they made and people had a reaction to it.

 

[Trianon]

The WDW Pro video talked about how Disney had driven away its talent and now has to restock to right the ship. I was looking at more articles on Wish's development, and this article from almost 2 years ago now is really interesting to look back on. It's mostly about Jennifer Lee, who wrote Frozen and Wish and has been Disney's animation COO since 2018.

Ralph Breaks the Internet was broken 5 months out, and Lee tried to fix it by asking basic storytelling questions.

After the screening, the team adjourned to an empty theater to discuss the focus group results, which signaled confusion about the end of the film, a problem they would need to solve quickly, as the movie was due in theaters in five months. “Everyone looked right at Jenn,” says Clark Spencer, a producer on Ralph Breaks the Internet who has since become president of Walt Disney Animation Studios. “She said, ‘We got too complex, we wanted too many set pieces, and we’re forgetting about the relationship between Ralph and Vanellope … Lose everything else. It could be funny. It could be interesting. You might love it. It doesn’t matter. We’ve got to track these two characters.’

She focuses on hiring people from the live-action world instead of animation, likely alienating people who have lengthy experience with the company and the form.

And as a woman originally trained in live-action filmmaking, she has delivered an outsider’s perspective to the ultimate insider’s job in animation, guardian of a beloved brand that inspires theme park rides and drives toy sales.

In an effort to diversify her workforce, Lee has recruited storytellers from the live-action world

“[Lee] said, ‘I’m going to bring in talent that is going to be incredibly valuable to this studio. They’re going to bring in a different voice and perspective because they won’t have come directly from animation,” says Spencer. “It was a little uncomfortable for some people, because it was a new way of thinking about it. But she knew that, as a studio, we had to shift and change.”

She says directly that her desire to give every single person an opportunity to have a movie stems from white guilt.

“I didn’t experience the feeling of not having opportunity,” Lee says. “So many people across the industry did and felt that they could communicate with me, talking about the access they didn’t have or the feeling of being ignored in a room. There was this realization that, naively, I hadn’t experienced that. I never was afraid to speak my voice.” Lee wanted everyone who works for her to have that same feeling of acceptance at the studio. “And so I was like, ‘It has to be that way. It just has to, we have to change.’ I take that very seriously, because I sometimes have moments where I go, ‘How did I get through?’ “

The rest of the article is kind of laughable, like, she saw African comic artists shit-talking Disney and immediately gave them a show that has been pushed back multiple times.

 

[A Sentient Cloud]

To piggyback on @Trianon, the New York Times released a brief, fluffy article about Fawn Veerasunthorn, the co-director of Wish. She's been at Disney for 12 years, mostly as a storyboard artist, and Wish is her first (co-)directorial effort. Jennifer Lee plays a big role.

Lee liked Fawn because she nodded at her ideas:

That capacity for emotion, said Disney Animation’s chief creative officer, Jennifer Lee, became a hallmark of Veerasunthorn’s storytelling early on.

Lee first took note of Veerasunthorn when they worked together on “Frozen.” Both women had only recently arrived at Disney, but Veerasunthorn carried herself with confidence in chaotic production meetings, where team members jockey to have their ideas heard.

“She would always cut through with something that was so clear and to the point,” Lee said. “If I could see her nodding, I’d be like, I’m in a good place because I can see that Fawn’s on board. She’s a great barometer.”

A few hints at behind-the-scenes drama. Please take note that Fawn's "clear and to the point" manner of speaking includes a triple negative:

Development on “Wish” began in 2018, and Veerasunthorn joined the project as head of story two years later. But after the first internal work-in-progress screening, the film was at an impasse.
Star, a character that, as its name suggests, is a celestial body, originally could speak. But a wishing star that provided direct guidance didn’t allow Asha the space to figure out her own journey. Veerasunthorn offered solutions.
Lee recalled of that period: “She was the one who said, ‘This is never going to come together if you can’t feel that what we’re ultimately saying is that this is not just about celebrating wishes. This is about really showing the importance of you working hard to make your dreams come true.’”

An interesting parallel emerges in that Wish, like Frozen, was directed by Chris Buck -- a sixtysomething Disney lifer who got his start on The Fox & The Hound in 1981 -- alongside a much less experienced female co-director. Buck is himself kind of a B-teamer. He had minimal to zero involvement in the biggest movies of the Disney Renaissance, aside from Pocahontas and Tarzan, which I think most people agree are lesser Disney.

It all does seem to suggest a rather shallow talent pool at Disney Animation Studios right now. Neither of these directors are the cream of the crop. Makes you wonder how many people said no.

The rest of the article is kind of laughable, like, she saw African comic artists shit-talking Disney and immediately gave them a show that has been pushed back multiple times.

It looks like shit, too. Three years of development and there's practically nothing to show for it except some character sketches and concept art.

 

[Vyse Inglebard]

She focuses on hiring people from the live-action world instead of animation, likely alienating people who have lengthy experience with the company and the form.

She says directly that her desire to give every single person an opportunity to have a movie stems from white guilt.

 

[Escaped Abortion]

@A Sentient Cloud

Okay, so I think you misunderstand what was meant. No, no one thinks the specific Jasmine costume was on a random girl in venice beach... but more that "pants and a crop top" look was something that american tweens at the time would find more relatable than a period accurate outfit like the one you linked. Asha's outfit is period accurate, it is also ugly. Further, Snow White and Sleeping Beauty aren't dressed period accurate either and both also were designed with the sensibilities of the period.

The argument is stupid and whiny, but I have seen tons of complaints from busybodies about her being overly sexualized. I thought you were coming from that angle and not the orientalism whine, but both are retarded takes. There is nothing wrong with how Jasmine is drawn for a fantasy teenage girl with a bit of a rebellous edge from fantasy Arabia.

Also, you explicitly say in your earlier post that wearing a shirt and a crop top was 6 years away from Aladdin, in 1992 and that teen girls dressed in grunge. I said that wasn't universal and gave examples of that from earlier dates. So you do agree now, that teens in 1992 might have worn a crop top?

And to a bee that was in your bonnet earlier, Aladdin isn't even one of the original 1001 tales. It was added in by the french translator. He claims he heard it from a Syrian storyteller, but as it is indeed, set in fantasy China, it's entirely possible it was just his fanfiction.

Fairytale Europe is still fairytale Europe and not a 1 to 1 match for real Europe. People who whine about 100% period accuracy in fantasy are almost as annoying as those who demand checking off an inclusion scorecard for every fantasy story too. Tangled, Frozen; they are all set in fake European esque countries that blend a few cultures or are just vaguely pan European. It's fine that they did that with Aladdin, just people get bitchy and whiny because it's rewarded to play the victim card now.

Popular media still associates Salem and New England with witch burning and puritan killjoys, but I never took it personally because that's just in the past. Having fantasy past Arabians cutting off hands of thieves is accurate, they are just bitchy because it calls attention to the reality that they still punish theft that way and yeet gays off buildings. I mean at least New England stopped burning witches.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

She focuses on hiring people from the live-action world instead of animation

This never fucking goes well, holy shit she's stupid.

 

[X-avier cuck]

I'm old enough to remember how a bunch of chuckleheads tired to make pseudo progressive critiques of Disney films during the early 2000s and 2010s.

I think they used to be good at making films that could go either way depending on what perspective you had.

Look at the old cartoon, Lambert The Sheepish Lion.

The lion is clearly other by his fellow kin because he's different from them and they constantly make fun of them, but at the end he saves them and becomes like a national hero to the sheep.

This simple story has more going for than a lot of the stuff you see today.

What Disney needs to do right now is to channel that early 2000s energy, and starts doing experimental films that are nothing like their current ones to distance themselves.

A rebranding is an order, but musicals may not be saved unless you're a fan of what's currently on Broadway right now.

 

[Michael Wade]

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small world for small dicks

Late but is that the game awards bill Clinton kid?