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[Vyse Inglebard]

also love how RLFW compared Hoppers solely to Pixar's own back catalog to show how it does everything they used to do but worse.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

Reminder that Pixar's mission was to make movies they wanted their families to grow up with and learn lessons from. "Story is king." Childless adults with mommy/daddy issues can't teach family stories worth a damn.

 

[Vyse Inglebard]

 

[oh no its pipkun]

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that explains the easter egg.

>Pond rules = "take advantage of others when it benefits you"

the rule addresses how the carnivorous/ombivorous animals live side by side with herbivores in their refuge pond. it's also the motivation for titus to seek revenge against the other animals and people.

>Mabel is the way she is due to an emotionally distant mother

seems like he had to pad out his video. the reason why she struggles to save the glade is that she wants to preserve the place she and her grandmother took care of. there's nothing in the movie to say she resents her parents other than this retard's insistence.

>self-destructive behavior is construed as a positive

otoh, mabel's self reflection on her self destructive behavior sets the stage for the conclusion.

Reminder that Pixar's mission was to make movies they wanted their families to grow up with and learn lessons from. "Story is king." Childless adults with mommy/daddy issues can't teach family stories worth a damn.

he wants it to be mommy and daddy issues. the cataylst for the movie is that mabel is a jaded activist surrounded by apathy. you can change out the environmentalism angle with mass immigration and understand her motivation.

 

[Newcomer 42]

In short, the movie seems to be the same drivel with no positive values like any other movie of the last 5 years, but it's less blunt than others like Zootopia 2. Also, once again, protagonist with parental issues = being insufferable.
The Wild Robot dealt with similar themes too and it wasn't that blatant.

 

[madethistocomment]

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That is literally the polar opposite message of the film. Mabel is absolutely aghast when the non-mammals decide to kill Jerry and spends the entire rest of the movie preventing that from happening. Mabel and Jerry's last scene is about how they can only move forwards by compromising and being understanding of each other, and the only way it could be more blatant is if the characters turned directly towards the camera and said precisely that.

The only part of the movie that is vaguely like this is the animals agreeing to not hold grudges against the carnivores and omnivores for needing to eat meat, because otherwise they'd literally starve.

 

[oh no its pipkun]

Mabel is absolutely aghast when the animals decide to kill Jerry

she's also aghast when the bear tries to eat the stoner beaver, and is dismayed that they and the other animals accept pond rules. there's a montage where she goes around asking people to sign a petition to save the glade and people avoid her. it's also repeated by the animals when she wants them to return to the glade. We learn they don't want to return because the town put up a deterrent in the form of speakers pumping out high frequency noises. which the animals then use to squish the humans. there is no sanitation of the concept of killing because mabel squishes titus' mom the insect queen. the reaction to mabel killing the insect queen is horror.

i'm surprised this pedantic faggot didn't whine that a shark is able to survive in a river.

 

[Vyse Inglebard]

the cataylst for the movie is that mabel is a jaded activist surrounded by apathy.

Does Mabel have to be an activist though? It's a movie aimed at kids. Kids don't fucking care about activism of any kind, unless they were brainwashed by their parents to care.

there's a montage where she goes around asking people to sign a petition to save the glade and people avoid her.

^case in point right here.
The only time I'd say activism is acceptable for kids is for disease awareness if they're affected by it. It would've been much more palatable if Mabel were say, a veterinary student and the Hopper technology is just a way for her to realize her dream of experiencing nature through the eyes of the creatures she loves so much. In fact, make it a way for mom and daughter to get closer to each other! Mabel finally is interested in something that mom is working on! Mom keeps a close eye on Beaver!Mabel through the monitoring system, and they learn/reminisce about things they used to do with grandma. An example would be when all of the beavers are winding down for the day, and Beaver!Mabel just stares up, looking up at the stars for the first time in a while. "Hey, remember when we used to look up at the stars with Grandma?" Maybe I shouldn't let this video color my opinion of the movie, but it still feels like there could've been a better way for this story to be told without falling into the pitfall of attracting "controversy" like it.

 

[oh no its pipkun]

Does Mabel have to be an activist though? It's a movie aimed at kids. Kids don't fucking care about activism of any kind, unless they were brainwashed by their parents to care.

if it helps i can say mabel loves animals and nature. kids love animals.

the Hopper technology is just a way for her to realize her dream of experiencing nature through the eyes of the creatures she loves so much.

that is why the scientists made the hopper, and it adds to the general apathy mabel is surrounded by. they refuse to intervene because they don't to fuck with the natural order. the reason why mabel uses it is that she thinks it can save the glade she and her grandmother spent a lot of time at from being bulldozed into a highway.


all the whinging about the parents being absent in her life is speculation by filling in the gaps, for all we know mabel is a latchkey kid.

but it still feels like there could've been a better way for this story to be told without falling into the pitfall of attracting "controversy" like it.

there will always be controversy over media because youtubers need content to monetize. this particular critique is whinging for whinging sake. i'm shocked he didn't whine about mabel being a nip. aside from chink eyes and her last name, the only other nip feature is a 5 second scene where mabel puts flowers on her dead grandma's altar. it shows pixar really is moving away from autobiographical therapy.

In fact, make it a way for mom and daughter to get closer to each other! Mabel finally is interested in something that mom is working on! Mom keeps a close eye on Beaver!Mabel through the monitoring system, and they learn/reminisce about things they used to do with grandma. An example would be when all of the beavers are winding down for the day, and Beaver!Mabel just stares up, looking up at the stars for the first time in a while. "Hey, remember when we used to look up at the stars with Grandma?"

yeah, that'd be great if this flick was about parental relationships but it's about mabel learning to communicate and compromise with other people/animals for the mutual benefit of all instead of forcing her whims on others to the detriment of everyone: humans ignore her call to action to save the glade which will be turned into a highway and the animals are inspired to massacre humans. as sappy as it is, the ending is that the highway gets rerouted and the glade is turned to a nature preserve.

with your mother scene, where is the dad, who is the antagonist, what is the catalyst, what the conclusion? it'd be an entirely different movie.

 

[madethistocomment]

Maybe I shouldn't let this video color my opinion of the movie, but it still feels like there could've been a better way for this story to be told without falling into the pitfall of attracting "controversy" like it.

95% of the video's criticisms are either nitpicking, addressed in the movie, or entirely bullshit. He's wildly misterpreting the movie for rage clicks. Watch it for yourself and form your own opinion.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

Watch it for yourself and form your own opinion.

But that means giving Disney money. Fuck that.

 

[Vyse Inglebard]

But that means giving Disney money. Fuck that.

Yeah, pretty much, hence the sailing the high seas once it comes to streaming. I just find it funny how some of you are so quick to suck Pixar's girlcock after they make a movie that just seems like, at best, a pale imitation of stuff from their golden age. It potentially being a decent movie does not change the fact that, in the past, Pixar have done WAY better. If an Avatar ripoff is the best we can hope for from Pixar, the future looks very bleak indeed.

 

[MrB]

Saw it with my family and thought it was alright. Definitely better than the faggoty director therapy sessions that Pixar has been churning out the past few years. One thing I did like is that the whole story starts because Mabel is trying to stop the mayor from building a beltway. At the end of the movie, the mayor tells her that the city is still going to build the highway even after everything and she ultimately makes her peace with it.

Have some urbanist redditors crying about it as a thread tax.

 

[Mr. Racewar1488]

At the end of the movie, the mayor tells her that the city is still going to build the highway even after everything and she ultimately makes her peace with it.

Robert Moses smiles down from heaven as they begin building the highway.

 

[All Your Bases...]

At the end of the movie, the mayor tells her that the city is still going to build the highway even after everything and she ultimately makes her peace with it.

To be specific. She was coping when it appeared that the highway is still being built on its original location only for the mayor to tell her that the city is going to build the highway elsewhere and the glades are shown to now be a reserve several years later, compared to most films with a conversation message, this is more balanced compared to most of the other films I’ve sawn, where the highway would flat out get canceled.

 

[MrB]

Sadly, as someone who watched it with my niece, that’s not what happened. She was coping when it appeared that this is what will happen only for the mayor to tell her that the city is going to build the highway elsewhere and the glades are shown to now be a reserve several years later.

They reroute it. They literally show a sign saying they're going to extend the beltway to go around the glade after the mayor decides to make it a reserve.

Also with regards to the Pond Rules discussion in this thread it's explicitly called out in the movie as artificial, unsustainable, and stupid. They started because the beaver king decided to let other animals move into his pond whenever they were forced out of their home environments so they needed a solution to make the extremely overcrowded pond work. Make of that what you will.

 

[Crescent Fresh]

so Pixar actually made a good original movie that people genuinely seem to enjoy? Oh boy! I can't wait for Pixar to run it into the ground with endless sequels!

but seriously though, might have to plunder it from the high seas and give it a watch once it drops onto streaming

I’ve been trying to plunder it and have yet to find a copy. All my usual sites seem to have mistaken it for a movie called “Ron Hopper’s Misfortune” instead, and there doesn’t even seem to be a terrible camrip yet.

Which is genuinely surprising for a mainstream Pixar release, normally two weeks in you’d see a good TS or two up already.

 

[Papa stink]

Just learned that Elio is Disney's/Pixar's nomination for best animated feature. Really bringing the quality aren't they?

 

[oh no its pipkun]

Yeah, pretty much, hence the sailing the high seas once it comes to streaming. I just find it funny how some of you are so quick to suck Pixar's girlcock after they make a movie that just seems like, at best, a pale imitation of stuff from their golden age. It potentially being a decent movie does not change the fact that, in the past, Pixar have done WAY better. If an Avatar ripoff is the best we can hope for from Pixar, the future looks very bleak indeed.

the movie assures me it's nothing like avatar at all.

 

[Fartificial Insmelligence]

Hoppers was good! We gotta give Pixar and Disney credit when they get it right, and in this case I’d say they hit an absolute home run!