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[KO 864]

The movie was originally titled "Sweatin' Bullets" and the original idea was to have a central human figure who was sent out west to a cattle drive who winds up in a situation with a ghost villain of sorts. This early draft of the film was apparently shot down by Eisner who thought the film was about cows and ask to have it be about one, so they had it be about a calf name "Bandit" instead but tried to keep the ghost villain in there but the original directors simply couldn't get past the initial changes since they were so hung up on their original idea so they had a change in production (just like with "Empire of the Sun" become "The Emperor's New Groove"). A new set of directors gave us the movie we ended up with out of a whim of making the cows the heroes of their own story and as an antithesis on the Western genre. Even one of the directors said they were making a "Woolie Reitherman Stupid Movie" in this respect of not going for the same approach Disney had been using during the 90's with their tops like Beauty & The Beast, Aladdin and others.


I did see this on the big screen twice, because I didn't realize they did a rather clever bit of cinematography with widening the aspect ratio when the main character becomes a bear.

It's definitely the kind of wacky you'd expect from someone like Woolie.
Despite prefering how Eisner got films different than the usual Disney fair made, including the start of the Renaissance by bringing in Broadway influence, (Something Marc Davis wanted to do with Chanticleer, but Sword in the Stone was chosen instead) commpared to the rehash of the Renaissance, as well as prevailence of canon sequels we're currently getting. Though I do guess that every other Disney movie atm is something a bit different (with the next two being sequels).

 

[Trilby]

It's definitely the kind of wacky you'd expect from someone like Woolie.
Despite prefering how Eisner got films different than the usual Disney fair made, including the start of the Renaissance by bringing in Broadway influence, (Something Marc Davis wanted to do with Chanticleer, but Sword in the Stone was chosen instead) commpared to the rehash of the Renaissance, as well as prevailence of canon sequels we're currently getting. Though I do guess that every other Disney movie atm is something a bit different (with the next two being sequels).

I suppose they're just going through another transitional period perhaps.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

I saw Home on the Range in theaters, but I hardly remember anything of it, it was that forgettable and the most I remember is walking out of that theater thinking "Wow, that was bad". Nowadays, though, I've noticed Slim's become a bit of a reaction meme on Tumblr. There's one someone did during the scene where he's screaming at his cronies about art, but it was about shitposting being art.

I do have a theory that Disney purposefully sabotaged Home on the Range, and later Winnie the Pooh, on purpose to justify no longer making traditionally animated movies.

I believe it as well. We must be sharing the same tinfoil hat, then.

What do y'all think of this movie?

I totally understand why people don't like the film, but I honestly enjoy it. It's not a favorite, but it's quite a beautiful film, with the transformation sequence being one of the best 2D has had to offer (also is among one of my favorite scores of all time, it's so beautiful). Speaking of scores, it has a pretty good soundtrack (you could tell Phil Collins was trying hard not to imitate Tarzan's soundtrack, though), and I enjoy the brotherly theme throughout it, even with some fillerish moments here and there. I don't mind Koda all that much, I've known kids like him so I'm used to his personality. I'm trying to remember if I've seen the film in theaters, though, I don't know if I did. I imagine the transformation sequence to be majestic on the big screen, and if only that could've been one of my theater memories...

Now Brother Bear's existence is why it is I didn't enjoy Brave all that much, 'cause it just reminded me too much of this film. And Brother Bear 2 was a piece of shit. That's one of the most unnecessary sequels I've ever seen and I wish I didn't have memory dedicated to that film.

But honestly, the best thing about the entire film is the DVD commentary. If you haven't watched it with the commentary yet, go do it. It's one of my favorite commentary tracks ever.

Hey, remember Disney's American Legends?

John Henry is my favorite segment, though Johnny Appleseed's a classic.

 

[Trilby]

I believe it as well. We must be sharing the same tinfoil hat, then.

That theory is shared by plenty.

Now Brother Bear's existence is why it is I didn't enjoy Brave all that much, 'cause it just reminded me too much of this film. And Brother Bear 2 was a piece of shit. That's one of the most unnecessary sequels I've ever seen and I wish I didn't have memory dedicated to that film.

But honestly, the best thing about the entire film is the DVD commentary. If you haven't watched it with the commentary yet, go do it. It's one of my favorite commentary tracks ever.

Too bad commentary tracks is no longer a thing for Disney's later films to bother with.

Hey, remember Disney's American Legends?
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John Henry is my favorite segment, though Johnny Appleseed's a classic.

I saw a lot of these originally in school or on TV as standalone shorts (except John Henry, that came much later, but I remember that one being one of those Disney wasn't sure what to do with until the "Disney American Legends" thing was put together, there used to be newsgroup postings asking when John Henry would be released at all).

 

[KO 864]

I saw Home on the Range in theaters, but I hardly remember anything of it, it was that forgettable and the most I remember is walking out of that theater thinking "Wow, that was bad". Nowadays, though, I've noticed Slim's become a bit of a reaction meme on Tumblr. There's one someone did during the scene where he's screaming at his cronies about art, but it was about shitposting being art.



I believe it as well. We must be sharing the same tinfoil hat, then.



I totally understand why people don't like the film, but I honestly enjoy it. It's not a favorite, but it's quite a beautiful film, with the transformation sequence being one of the best 2D has had to offer (also is among one of my favorite scores of all time, it's so beautiful). Speaking of scores, it has a pretty good soundtrack (you could tell Phil Collins was trying hard not to imitate Tarzan's soundtrack, though), and I enjoy the brotherly theme throughout it, even with some fillerish moments here and there. I don't mind Koda all that much, I've known kids like him so I'm used to his personality. I'm trying to remember if I've seen the film in theaters, though, I don't know if I did. I imagine the transformation sequence to be majestic on the big screen, and if only that could've been one of my theater memories...

Now Brother Bear's existence is why it is I didn't enjoy Brave all that much, 'cause it just reminded me too much of this film. And Brother Bear 2 was a piece of shit. That's one of the most unnecessary sequels I've ever seen and I wish I didn't have memory dedicated to that film.

But honestly, the best thing about the entire film is the DVD commentary. If you haven't watched it with the commentary yet, go do it. It's one of my favorite commentary tracks ever.

Hey, remember Disney's American Legends?
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John Henry is my favorite segment, though Johnny Appleseed's a classic.

Are you talking about the director's commentary, or the one with Rut and Took giving their commentary on the film, then they order pizza, then the pizza boy gives his commentary on the film?

Also, that Paul Bunyan looks like he want's to chop that that tree just right

 

[Kari Kamiya]

Are you talking about the director's commentary, or the one with Rut and Took giving their commentary on the film, then they order pizza, then the pizza boy gives his commentary on the film?

Rutt and Tuke, of course. Far as I'm aware it's not the first time someone made a parody/fun DVD commentary, but it was my first exposure to such an idea. I wish it'd happen more.

 

[Trilby]

Rutt and Tuke, of course. Far as I'm aware it's not the first time someone made a parody/fun DVD commentary, but it was my first exposure to such an idea. I wish it'd happen more.

Sad they don't, Disney seems a bit weary of doing commentaries at all these days for their latest films.

 

[KO 864]

Sad they don't, Disney seems a bit weary of doing commentaries at all these days for their latest films.

Almost makes you think the creators don't have much nice to say.

 

[Steamboat_Bill]

Hey, remember Disney's American Legends?
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John Henry is my favorite segment, though Johnny Appleseed's a classic.

John Henry was the newest one out of all of these. The rest were produced in the 50s. I forget whether the one about Windwagon Smith was on there as well.

 

[Bread Fetishist]

Anyone remember Sing Along Songs? I used to have Campout at Walt Disney World on VHS. Brings back so many memories.

 

[Nekromantik]

I'll admit it, every Halloween for as long as I can remember, I watch the Legend of Sleepy Hollow. It's always been a favorite of mine.


I also wanted to bring up something that I thought I had forgotten from when I was a kid. I had a lot of these Disney read and play records. (Yes I know Buzzfeed link) My mom found a bunch of them when she was cleaning house and reminded me how much I loved them, apparently the Haunted Mansion was a favorite. It's kind of interesting seeing stuff in there like Star Wars looking back, and some forgotten gems like Black Hole.

 

[Trilby]

John Henry was the newest one out of all of these. The rest were produced in the 50s. I forget whether the one about Windwagon Smith was on there as well.

I'm surprised if they didn't include Pecos Bill, but I suppose that one was already problematic due to his cigarette smoking.


BTW, those books/record sets were called "readalongs". I had then too! Disney also put out larger "storyteller" albums that weren't quite the same approach but they we're fun to see/listen to none the less.

 

[Steamboat_Bill]

I'm surprised if they didn't include Pecos Bill, but I suppose that one was already problematic due to his cigarette smoking.

Whenever you see Pecos Bill nowadays the verse in the song with the cigarette smoking is cut out. Yet for some reason the verse about “redskins” isn’t.

 

[Trilby]

Whenever you see Pecos Bill nowadays the verse in the song with the cigarette smoking is cut out. Yet for some reason the verse about “redskins” isn’t.

It's funny they did that at all but I guess butchering too much of the film wasn't in their interest.

 

[IdaRita]

I guess the thread is mostly about animation and "core Disney", not We Buy Everything Empire it is now?
As fan of animation I've always liked Disney movies and appreciate company's massive influence on animation as a medium (8 old man and 12 principles of animation), but they never were a thing defying my childhood? I liked Pixar more. I did not watched them often and early 2000s are considered "Dark Age" in Disney's history. I think I like them more now than as a kid.
Disney Afternoon cartoons are another story, they were replayed in TV very often and I loved watching them - especially Winnie The Pooh and Ducktales.
While I really like Disney movies, I also think internet age and all the buzz around their movies is really damaging to the brand. Countless reimagination of princesses and articles about how they are "problematic", we want this, we want that, obsessive Disney spergs having the platform to "express themselves". I know, Disney was always big and internet makes popularuity of everything seem insane and tiring, but Disney has it especially bad. It is no longer that innocent , colourful dreamland for children, it's hard to sepatare it from "adult" issues when every freaking article is overanalizing it.
I also don't like this trend of Disney movies being "self-aware" and paroding themselves. Tangled made some subtle nods and jokes, but at the same time succed at being perfect classic Disney movie in CGI age. It's one of my top favourites. I like that Zootopia did something really really different.
But I think "Frozen" was too much "look, we are subversive". While I liked Moana and from what I've seen Elena of Avalor is cute show, I don't like how princess having any love interest (other that potential lesbian) is slowly becoming a taboo. Yeah, it was a bit irritating that every heroine had obligatory love story, but that new "no man" rule also is. And characterization of princesses in Wreck it Ralph 2 trailers is terrible.
Shrek is almost 20 years old. Did fairytale movies parody better.
But it's just trends I'm noticing and maybe they are going to die before becoming the really big thing.
Live action reboots are meh to me. They are nice watch, but I don't plan to see any of them in cinema.

I also really like modern Disney TV Animation, like I mentioned in other threads. I think their cartoons are the most diverse compared to CN and Nick, many of them is not infamous "Cal Arts style" (I don't like the term, but that different story) and they made new Ducktales good (minus some Weeby moments and out of place Sailor Moon parody).

 

[Very Clever Nickname]

My favourite is the speds who post on Disney forums despite hating the place and having autistic tantrums when they take away rides.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

I'm surprised if they didn't include Pecos Bill, but I suppose that one was already problematic due to his cigarette smoking.

It was just John Henry, Paul Bunyan, Johnny Appleseed, and Casey Jones included on it. Both Appleseed and Pecos Bill were in Melody Time, so maybe they had to pick one to keep from being redundant/going over 60 minutes as a direct-to-video release.

 

[KO 864]

I guess the thread is mostly about animation and "core Disney", not We Buy Everything Empire it is now?
As fan of animation I've always liked Disney movies and appreciate company's massive influence on animation as a medium (8 old man and 12 principles of animation), but they never were a thing defying my childhood? I liked Pixar more. I did not watched them often and early 2000s are considered "Dark Age" in Disney's history. I think I like them more now than as a kid.
Disney Afternoon cartoons are another story, they were replayed in TV very often and I loved watching them - especially Winnie The Pooh and Ducktales.
While I really like Disney movies, I also think internet age and all the buzz around their movies is really damaging to the brand. Countless reimagination of princesses and articles about how they are "problematic", we want this, we want that, obsessive Disney spergs having the platform to "express themselves". I know, Disney was always big and internet makes popularuity of everything seem insane and tiring, but Disney has it especially bad. It is no longer that innocent , colourful dreamland for children, it's hard to sepatare it from "adult" issues when every freaking article is overanalizing it.
I also don't like this trend of Disney movies being "self-aware" and paroding themselves. Tangled made some subtle nods and jokes, but at the same time succed at being perfect classic Disney movie in CGI age. It's one of my top favourites. I like that Zootopia did something really really different.
But I think "Frozen" was too much "look, we are subversive". While I liked Moana and from what I've seen Elena of Avalor is cute show, I don't like how princess having any love interest (other that potential lesbian) is slowly becoming a taboo. Yeah, it was a bit irritating that every heroine had obligatory love story, but that new "no man" rule also is. And characterization of princesses in Wreck it Ralph 2 trailers is terrible.
Shrek is almost 20 years old. Did fairytale movies parody better.
But it's just trends I'm noticing and maybe they are going to die before becoming the really big thing.
Live action reboots are meh to me. They are nice watch, but I don't plan to see any of them in cinema.

I also really like modern Disney TV Animation, like I mentioned in other threads. I think their cartoons are the most diverse compared to CN and Nick, many of them is not infamous "Cal Arts style" (I don't like the term, but that different story) and they made new Ducktales good (minus some Weeby moments and out of place Sailor Moon parody).

My problem with Frozen is that I don't feel it commits enough to it's subversion. It swaps the charming prince for a 'Buddy-Buddy love interest, and there's no way their not building up to that in Frozen 2. It also left me annoyed as I really liked Hans as the Prince and less so as the villain. There was no foreshadowing, and if you don't have the possibility of working out the twist, it's a dumb twist, just like in a mystery. I read this theory not long after Frozen came out that Hans was mind controlled by the Trolls so that Anna could have Kristoph, and honestly that seems more believable than his complete character flip to me. The "subversion" of a Disney Villain in Elsa also made the film weaker. If they were sisters who loved eachother but Elsa was still evil, that would have been awesome, conflicting morality and all that, even have the Duke try to witch hunt her and have Hans have a falling out with Anna over Elsa, but to milk drama, keep them together. They don't even have to get together at the end. Subvert the romance there by having Anna realize that they're not quite right or something.

In regards to WiR2, it's clearly just the Emoji Movie, but because Disney, people will eat that shit up.

Whenever you see Pecos Bill nowadays the verse in the song with the cigarette smoking is cut out. Yet for some reason the verse about “redskins” isn’t.

I'm not positive but I think the smoking is included on European and Australia region DVDs. I'm pretty sure it's still on my copy but I don't really have a way to prove it, and I could easily be wrong.
The censored moments if anyone is interested.

Anyone remember Sing Along Songs? I used to have Campout at Walt Disney World on VHS. Brings back so many memories.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=BPEcRmA2asQ

I watched that one so many times I think the tape got worn out. I think I also had a Disneyland one but I don't remember it.

Link to the full video if anyone is interested at watching pre-teens sing.

I also had a few sing-along DVDs as I grew up in the transitional period between the two mediums. I loved the song I'm still Here but never watched treasure planet because, believe it or not, Morph on the box art terrified me. No idea why. Probably reminded me of Cat in the Hat which no joke did terrify me as a kid.

 

[Trilby]

I'm not positive but I think the smoking is included on European and Australia region DVDs. I'm pretty sure it's still on my copy but I don't really have a way to prove it, and I could easily be wrong.
The censored moments if anyone is interested.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=HhGTQ3aHfeY

Yes they do. The foreign DVD releases of Make Mine Music also keeps in "The Martins & The Coys", removed entirely on our R1 release.

I watched that one so many times I think the tape got worn out. I think I also had a Disneyland one but I don't remember it.

I had the first tape in the series I believe (the one with "Zip-A-Dee-Doo-Dah") and wore that out too!

 

[KO 864]

Yes they do. The foreign DVD releases of Make Mine Music also keeps in "The Martins & The Coys", removed entirely on our R1 release.
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I had the first tape in the series I believe (the one with "Zip-A-Dee-Doo-Dah") and wore that out too!

Why was Martin's & The Coys removed? Too much violence? Or the relation to the Hatfields and McCoys?