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[KO 864]

The story about Reynard is that Walt Disney thought he was too unsympathetic to be a good protagonist. Eventually in the early 60s, they planned to use him in a version of the tale of Chanticleer - based on Edmond Rostand's play - which Don Bluth remembered and used as the basis of Rock-a-Doodle. It would have been like a Broadway musical, long before the Ashman-Menken stuff in the 90s Disney films.

Unfortunately Walt's expenses on Disneyland and his plans for EPCOT meant that they had to only release one film every four years. It was either Chanticleer or The Sword in the Stone. Everyone knew Chanticleer wasn't going to make it when one of the Disney brass said that no one would ever watch a film with a chicken as the protagonist.

The other reason why Sword in the Stone went ahead is that Bill Peet was the story man on it. He recently was the sole story man of 101 Dalmatians so the company had a lot of faith that he'd make a smash success, something they needed another of after Sleeping Beauty underperformed (due to audiences fishing it too dark, and being really expensive to make).

It's interesting they took what they thought was a 'safe bet' instead of a film that probably would've been, being one of the first films to tap into the braodway formula, and due to the constraints of animation, in much less time to the audience then something like The Music Man. While this is all an assumption, the sheer success of 90s Disney movies and the current Disney musicals shows that audiences very well might've been interested. Also, lol at the guy who though that no-one would see a film about a chicken, when a duck and a mouse were their biggest characters and they just made a film about dogs.

Love reading up about the unmade Disney movies, would be great if they made some of them for the new streaming service especially if they made some of the 2d ones, and yes I know
Here are few of the more interesting ones
Fraidy Cat was meant to be directed by John Musker and Ron Clements, the duo behind disney movies such as Aladdin, Hercules and most recently Moana , it was meant to be a Alfred Hitchcock parody

Spoiler: Plot to Fraidy Cat

Oscar, a cat and Corina, a cockatoo are pampered, spoiled house pets that live an easy life in their owner's London flat. However, when a fellow neighbourhood pet is kidnapped and Oscar is the prime suspect, the two must set off on a mission to find out who the real culprit is so that they can clear Oscar's name.

Newt, was a pixar movie which was canceled as it's plot was similar to that of Rio which also would have beat Newt planned release, what is interesting about this movie is with the Fox deal, Disney are about to own the Blue Sky Studios the makers of Rio.

King of the Elves, based on the short story by Philip K. Dick, it was meant to be directed by Aaron Blaise and Robert Walker who only directed Brother Bear previously however at some point Chris Williams took over directing duties. Was due out in 2012 but was shelved in 2009 ,only to be put back into development in 2010 for a 2013 release however they ran into "story problems" which killed the movie.

Spoiler: Plot of King of the Elves

Based on Philip K. Dick's 1953 short story fantasy "The King of the Elves", the film is about a band of elves and one dwarf living in the modern-day Mississippi Delta who name a local human, Calder, their king after he helps save them from an evil troll.

Tons of other interesting movies that have been cancelled for many different reasons since the 1940s, stuff like Chanticleer which was first canceled due to WW2 then but back in development in both the 1960 and 80s. Reynard the Fox due to him being to dark for for Walt Disney to be the protagonist of a movie, at one point he was planned to be the villain of a verison of the unmade Chanticleer movie. A Sinbad the Sailor movie which was canceled after Aladdin for some reason, Jeffrey Katzenberg when forming Dreamwork Animation took the idea along with him and what would become Antz as well.

Did you hear the reason Fraidy Cat was cancelled was that Mike Eisner said something along the lines of 'no one wants to see a film anout a dead fat guy'. As a fan of old movies, I find this really annoying but really, would a general audience give a shit about Hitchcock? Probably not.

You heard about My Peoples? It was gonna be the second film by the director of Mulan but when the Florida studio shut down, it was either Chicken Little or this, and Chicken Little won. It was even far enough along to have noticed actors and musicians to write the score and songs.

The story was an old one with a unique spin. It's the 40s in Appalachia. Two kids fall in love but their families are bitter enemies. The girl's father tries to erase the boy's memory, but through some twist of fate, it brings the boy's folk art, little figures carved from objects to look like people, are brought to life, possessed by the spirits of the boy's family who what the couple to get together. Except Angel(played by Dolly Parton). She runs off leaving Abe and Cherokee (dolls based on Lincokn and An Indian to chase after her, whole the rest run interference to get the couple together, things such as getting the girl's fiance to split. The dolls would be CGI but everything else traditional, due to how poor full CGI looked in '03. This would give the dolls an otherworldly feeling. Over all I think the story had promise.

Speaking of Chicken Little, that was originally much much different. First of Chicken Little was an actual chicken, a girl that is, and instead of the whole aliens plot, it would've taken place at a Summer Camp. Chicken Little was heavily paranoid and her parents thought it best for her to get out of the house and make new friends where people didn't know her. Abby, the Ugly Ducking would've be male at this point. The twist, the threat of the story is that the camp counsellors are literal wolves in sheep's clothing who want to eat the campers. While not stated it can be assumed that Chicken Little would find out and everyone would think her delusional

Look how cute she was!

 

[Trilby]

The other reason why Sword in the Stone went ahead is that Bill Peet was the story man on it. He recently was the sole story man of 101 Dalmatians so the company had a lot of faith that he'd make a smash success, something they needed another of after Sleeping Beauty underperformed (due to audiences fishing it too dark, and being really expensive to make).

And yet, Bill left after this film to go on to a career writing children books.

It's interesting they took what they thought was a 'safe bet' instead of a film that probably would've been, being one of the first films to tap into the braodway formula, and due to the constraints of animation, in much less time to the audience then something like The Music Man. While this is all an assumption, the sheer success of 90s Disney movies and the current Disney musicals shows that audiences very well might've been interested. Also, lol at the guy who though that no-one would see a film about a chicken, when a duck and a mouse were their biggest characters and they just made a film about dogs.

Much of the studio from the time Walt died through the 1980's was often a result of making safe bets and sticking to what worked before.

Did you hear the reason Fraidy Cat was cancelled was that Mike Eisner said something along the lines of 'no one wants to see a film anout a dead fat guy'. As a fan of old movies, I find this really annoying but really, would a general audience give a shit about Hitchcock? Probably not.

Still, that is pretty sad not to at least consider reintroducing the man's work to a new generation.

You heard about My Peoples? It was gonna be the second film by the director of Mulan but when the Florida studio shut down, it was either Chicken Little or this, and Chicken Little won. It was even far enough along to have noticed actors and musicians to write the score and songs.

The story was an old one with a unique spin. It's the 40s in Appalachia. Two kids fall in love but their families are bitter enemies. The girl's father tries to erase the boy's memory, but through some twist of fate, it brings the boy's folk art, little figures carved from objects to look like people, are brought to life, possessed by the spirits of the boy's family who what the couple to get together. Except Angel(played by Dolly Parton). She runs off leaving Abe and Cherokee (dolls based on Lincokn and An Indian to chase after her, whole the rest run interference to get the couple together, things such as getting the girl's fiance to split. The dolls would be CGI but everything else traditional, due to how poor full CGI looked in '03. This would give the dolls an otherworldly feeling. Over all I think the story had promise.

Sad they turned that down.

Speaking of Chicken Little, that was originally much much different. First of Chicken Little was an actual chicken, a girl that is, and instead of the whole aliens plot, it would've taken place at a Summer Camp. Chicken Little was heavily paranoid and her parents thought it best for her to get out of the house and make new friends where people didn't know her. Abby, the Ugly Ducking would've be male at this point. The twist, the threat of the story is that the camp counsellors are literal wolves in sheep's clothing who want to eat the campers. While not stated it can be assumed that Chicken Little would find out and everyone would think her delusional

Look how cute she was!

I heard Eisner thought a female protagonist wouldn't work so that was why they made the character a boy in the end.

 

[KO 864]

And yet, Bill left after this film to go on to a career writing children books.


Much of the studio from the time Walt died through the 1980's was often a result of making safe bets and sticking to what worked before.


Still, that is pretty sad not to at least consider reintroducing the man's work to a new generation.


Sad they turned that down.


I heard Eisner thought a female protagonist wouldn't work so that was why they made the character a boy in the end.

He thought a male character would hit a broader audience, as boys wouldn't want a girl, while girls wouldn't really care, an assumption that was probably correct. I know I never watched the princess films when I was a kid as they were 'girls movies', same for anything that starred a girl really.

 

[Dolphin Lundgren]

I hated the advertising of Ralph 2 and can't see myself ever liking it. Then again I barely liked the first one.

As for Robin Hood there's tons that I like about it. Prince John will always be funny to me and they still had their old school Disney voice actors in this. Especially Phil Harris who was a favorite of mine. Add to that the minor voice acting of John Fiedler as the church mouse who was the original voice of Piglet- I really like it.

And my favorite old Hollywood song lyricist wrote The Phony King of England:

Johnny Mercer. Which is awesome and I can hear his lyric style in the song.

I found an early draft of Mercer's original version of Phony King of England which is pretty cool.

 

[Jewelsmakerguy]

Honestly, I feel like Robin Hood's biggest flaw (outside being one of the starting points of the Furry culture we know today) is the constant reuse of animation.

 

[Trilby]

Honestly, I feel like Robin Hood's biggest flaw (outside being one of the starting points of the Furry culture we know today) is the constant reuse of animation.

True, I suppose the aging animation staff simply couldn't figure out how to surpass what they did before.

 

[KO 864]

True, I suppose the aging animation staff simply couldn't figure out how to surpass what they did before.

It's more that the budget wasn't that high and animation is expensive. Corners were already being cut with the Xerox process, so to ensure the films were made on budget, they reuses scenes when possible, as long as it wasn't too obvious. The sheer amount of reuse is Robin Hood, especially during the dance scene is less a sign of creativity or being unable to top yourself, but of unadulterated thrift

 

[Dolphin Lundgren]

Honestly, I feel like Robin Hood's biggest flaw (outside being one of the starting points of the Furry culture we know today) is the constant reuse of animation.

Didn't other films reuse animation? I thought that was common back then.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

Didn't other films reuse animation? I thought that was common back then.

Yeah, recycled animation is a common shortcut used by many cartoons even to this day, but Disney is and always has been held to a high standard when it came to quality, since they pretty much set the standard from the beginning. There's kind of a reason why the era after Disney's death (although it may have started after Sleeping Beauty bombed and nearly bankrupted the studio) is known as the "Dark Age". Disney in general has always struggled with money, so they were always finding ways to try and save money without compromising themselves. I think they've always recycled some animation, but it was really egregious in Robin Hood, though that may have been discovered once home video took off and people (e.g. the spergs) got to watch the films more and take notice.

 

[neverendingmidi]

Yeah, recycled animation is a common shortcut used by many cartoons even to this day, but Disney is and always has been held to a high standard when it came to quality, since they pretty much set the standard from the beginning. There's kind of a reason why the era after Disney's death (although it may have started after Sleeping Beauty bombed and nearly bankrupted the studio) is known as the "Dark Age". Disney in general has always struggled with money, so they were always finding ways to try and save money without compromising themselves. I think they've always recycled some animation, but it was really egregious in Robin Hood, though that may have been discovered once home video took off and people (e.g. the spergs) got to watch the films more and take notice.

There were three films that not only reused animation within them, but also between them: The Jungle Book, Sword in the Stone, and Robin Hood. Which is another reason they are called the Dark Ages. The studio as a whole was on the verge of bankruptcy for a long while.

 

[MysticMisty]

the Rescuers

I think Bernard and Bianca are my favorite non-human couple. I enjoy the way they interact together in both movies and how they become engaged at the end of the second movie.

There's also a weird obsession with Oliver and Company, but I'm not that fond of that one so they can have it.

This is the first time I've heard of this. What kind of creepy shit are spergs saying/doing related to Oliver and Company?

Speaking of Chicken Little, that was originally much much different. First of Chicken Little was an actual chicken, a girl that is, and instead of the whole aliens plot, it would've taken place at a Summer Camp. Chicken Little was heavily paranoid and her parents thought it best for her to get out of the house and make new friends where people didn't know her. Abby, the Ugly Ducking would've be male at this point. The twist, the threat of the story is that the camp counsellors are literal wolves in sheep's clothing who want to eat the campers. While not stated it can be assumed that Chicken Little would find out and everyone would think her delusional

This sounds a significantly better than the movie that was actually made.

 

[Muttnik]

This is the first time I've heard of this. What kind of creepy shit are spergs saying/doing related to Oliver and Company?

Furries have a thing for the dog voiced by Billy Joel. Or the female dog in his gang. I don't know why because it's one of the more obscure Disney movies but they really love to lewd out those two characters. But hey, furries. I don't question this shit anymore.

 

[Trilby]

There were three films that not only reused animation within them, but also between them: The Jungle Book, Sword in the Stone, and Robin Hood. Which is another reason they are called the Dark Ages. The studio as a whole was on the verge of bankruptcy for a long while.

True, it made for a lot of takeover rumors during the early 80's before Eisner and Katzenberg came through the door.

Furries have a thing for the dog voiced by Billy Joel. Or the female dog in his gang. I don't know why because it's one of the more obscure Disney movies but they really love to lewd out those two characters. But hey, furries. I don't question this shit anymore.

It doesn't surprise me they'd go after those two, of course I'm sure any character isn't safe from furries if they could imagine it.

 

[Very Clever Nickname]

Considering Oliver & Company was only a year before Little Mermaid, it's amazing to see the huge difference in quality. I think I've only seen Oliver & Company like twice because it's just not my favourite to rewatch.

 

[DatBepisTho]

I think I was spared the Disney and furfag fandoms, honestly. They're cringy as fuck so thank God for that.

The first Fantasia, Atlantis and The Lion King were my fave Disney movies, but I grew up before the internet got big so I missed the initial wave of lewds that seemed to transform early 90s kids into furries.

Also I was more into Pixar by the time I was active on the net and the interest in Disney was more of a "this film right here is why I fucking love color composition, character design, and backgrounds" than wanting to bone cel /3D animations.


Now it's a toss up between Up and Ralph in terms of fave Pixar tho. Will still stan for Atlantis, too.

Edit- fixed typos

 

[Jewelsmakerguy]

Considering Oliver & Company was only a year before Little Mermaid, it's amazing to see the huge difference in quality. I think I've only seen Oliver & Company like twice because it's just not my favourite to rewatch.

I mean, from what I've seen, I feel like Oliver's one of the worst-animated of the Disney theatrical films (barring those sequels they released in theaters back in the early 2000s). And certainly up there with Sword and the Stone with worst-looking in the primary theatrical canon.

 

[Trilby]

Considering Oliver & Company was only a year before Little Mermaid, it's amazing to see the huge difference in quality. I think I've only seen Oliver & Company like twice because it's just not my favourite to rewatch.

That's very true, O&C felt miles behind what Little Mermaid did.

The first Fantasia, Atlantis and The Lion King were my fave Disney movies, but I grew up before the internet got big so I missed the initial wave of lewds that seemed to transform early 90s kids into furries.

I remember those days, the classic Disney features didn't have the same penetration they do now as they only released them every so often in the theaters and not all of them were on tape. In those days, you only knew the movie existed if you had seen clips of it from a TV special or had a book/record/merch. based on it. That was what it was like before the 90's.

I mean, from what I've seen, I feel like Oliver's one of the worst-animated of the Disney theatrical films (barring those sequels they released in theaters back in the early 2000s). And certainly up there with Sword and the Stone with worst-looking in the primary theatrical canon.

Not quite the Woolie Reitherman 'stupid movie' as I put it, but O&C certainly didn't have much to go on besides taking Oliver Twist and re-imagine it as animals in 1980's New York. Just be thankful that was never sequalized.

 

[KO 864]

Furries have a thing for the dog voiced by Billy Joel. Or the female dog in his gang. I don't know why because it's one of the more obscure Disney movies but they really love to lewd out those two characters. But hey, furries. I don't question this shit anymore.

What the fuck? Oliver and Company is one of my more favourite Disney movies so I'm glad I never looked into the fan base. For Billy Joel Copy (Dodger) it can be assumed that like John Silver, he takes on a sort of paternal role towards Oliver, and also is pretty cool due to having a lot of street smarts. From my experience, a lot of Disney fans have attraction towards father figures. Why they'd want to fuck a literal Jack Russel though is kind of strange, but furries have an overlap with beastiality as shown by the recent zoo sadist shit.

The female Afgan Hound though I can't explain. It could be a size play thing, or because the only other two female characters are an aging poodle (Bette Midler) and a little girl (hopefully not seen as fucka or), she was the best option left.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

Spoiler: Georgette is a national treasure.

 

[Muttnik]

Spoiler: Georgette is a national treasure.

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She's honestly the only thing I really remember about the movie. Bette Midler going full ham is always a welcome treat.