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[StarkRavingMad]

Ouch.

I haven't seen Princess and the Frog in years. Maybe I'm just too old for this shit, but I always felt like the best things that movie had going for it were the animation and villain. Also that part where they straight up killed the comic relief character on screen. That was awesome. Not that I disliked the firefly, it's just that killing him like that made me sit up and pay attention in a way kids movies often don't manage. It's a good movie but I feel like it doesn't ever rise above "good" except for these few moments.

I saw it when it was in theaters. The audience's reaction to Ray getting stepped on was AMAZING. The entire theater gasped in horror. One of the best memories I have with a crowd in the movie theater, lol. The movie gets pretty damn dark every so often.

I love The Princess and The Frog mostly because I love the characters so much. Tiana and Naveen are some of my favorite Disney leads, and I felt their romance was written really well. I also think that the soundtrack IS overall Disney's strongest over the past 20 years. I know that Randy Newman gets memed a lot, but I think he hit that soundtrack out of the park. I looooove it.

This is one of the best Disney Princess songs:

And this song/scene makes me smile every time I watch it. Tiana and Naveen are so cute. One of the most romantic scenes in any Disney movie ... And they're FROGS here:

 

[Johnny Bravo]

I saw it when it was in theaters. The audience's reaction to Ray getting stepped on was AMAZING. The entire theater gasped in horror. One of the best memories I have with a crowd in the movie theater, lol. The movie gets pretty damn dark every so often.

I love The Princess and The Frog mostly because I love the characters so much. Tiana and Naveen are some of my favorite Disney leads, and I felt their romance was written really well. I also think that the soundtrack IS overall Disney's strongest over the past 20 years. I know that Randy Newman gets memed a lot, but I think he hit that soundtrack out of the park. I looooove it.

This is one of the best Disney Princess songs:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=KYc5H7VvZbc
And this song/scene makes me smile every time I watch it. Tiana and Naveen are so cute. One of the most romantic scenes in any Disney movie ... And they're FROGS here:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=6YsFXMBOfJw

I agree that Tiana was more compelling than most Disney princesses as she worked hard for her dream. It's just that I can't remember like 85% of the movie. It's been the same amount of time or longer since the last time I saw Atlantis or Treasure Planet but I remember much more about the plot and characters.

 

[Muttnik]

Tiana is a great character and I hate that she gets put in with the other Disney princesses just so that she can fill the minority quota. She's tough, resourceful, no-nonsense, and a hard worker. You'd never know that shit with how they market her.

 

[Your Weird Fetish]

Maybe I'm just too old for this shit, but I always felt like the best things that movie had going for it were the animation and villain.

That's how I felt about all the Disney movies even when I was a kid.

 

[Exceptionally Exceptional]

Disney is among the most unoriginal companies I've ever seen. Their own homemade properties are largely crap with a few exceptions, and their most successful films are almost universally taken from other people's literature. Alice in Wonderland, Snow White, Sleeping Beauty, The Lion King, Hercules, Bambi, Beauty and the Beast, Pinocchio, The Little Mermaid, Aladdin, The Jungle Book, Mary Poppins, 101 Dalmatians... all of them were someone else's concepts or properties before Disney made films out of them. They've made almost nothing themselves, instead capitalizing on the works of others.

Don't get me wrong, they did an absolutely fantastic job of animating them (when they actually used to do animations) but they're creatively bankrupt as a company.

 

[Your Weird Fetish]

A lot of those examples are so different from the core myths they're cribbing from they're practically totally original works.

 

[UnKillFill]

Tiana is a great character and I hate that she gets put in with the other Disney princesses just so that she can fill the minority quota. She's tough, resourceful, no-nonsense, and a hard worker. You'd never know that shit with how they market her.

This is exactly why I like Princess and the Frog so much. Tiana isn't just any dindu, she actually *earns* her happy ending, more so than any other Disney princess before her. The message to the story is also a really good one.

 

[StarkRavingMad]

Tiana is a great character and I hate that she gets put in with the other Disney princesses just so that she can fill the minority quota. She's tough, resourceful, no-nonsense, and a hard worker. You'd never know that shit with how they market her.

While the movie did well enough at the box office, it wasn't the HUGE movie that Disney was hoping for. I honestly think that's because 2D animation was already abandoned by the general audience. The movie came out the same time as freaking Avatar, lol.

But, this is what Disney does: When something underperforms, they don't give the movie the attention it might deserve. The movie unfortunately gets dwarfed by movies like Tangled and Frozen. Now, I love me some Tangled and Frozen, but for me, Princess and The Frog beats them both.

So, yeah, I think that if she weren't "The First (and only) Black Disney Princess," Disney would probably place her out of the "in" group of princesses. The Disney Princess marketing totally treats her like a token, which is a shame. Tiana is an amazing character.

 

[Muttnik]

Hell, just look at how Rescuer's Down Under got the shaft thanks to poor marketing. The movie's a great kid's adventure film, had a fun villain in Mcleach, is a HUGE step up from its predecessor, and had this incredible sequence:

 

[UnKillFill]

Hell, just look at how Rescuer's Down Under got the shaft thanks to poor marketing. The movie's a great kid's adventure film, had a fun villain in Mcleach, is a HUGE step up from its predecessor, and had this incredible sequence:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=-coYU-INP3E

The Rescuers Down Under is unironically in my top 5 favorite Disney movies (admittedly, it is probably 4 or 5, I like quite a few way more) Still, it is the one I always turn to when people say that Disney sequels are *always* worse than the originals, this one is at least was waaay better than the first (lack of naked lady boobies aside)

 

[Dogs can't look up]

Disney is among the most unoriginal companies I've ever seen. Their own homemade properties are largely crap with a few exceptions, and their most successful films are almost universally taken from other people's literature. Alice in Wonderland, Snow White, Sleeping Beauty, The Lion King, Hercules, Bambi, Beauty and the Beast, Pinocchio, The Little Mermaid, Aladdin, The Jungle Book, Mary Poppins, 101 Dalmatians... all of them were someone else's concepts or properties before Disney made films out of them. They've made almost nothing themselves, instead capitalizing on the works of others.

Don't get me wrong, they did an absolutely fantastic job of animating them (when they actually used to do animations) but they're creatively bankrupt as a company.

I can't seem to find the article I read years back, but I remember reading that the reason Disney purchased Pixar and Marvel was so they could get into the business of original stories and stop relying so much on stuff that was public domain (stuff that anyone could use to produce "original" works).

Disney sure as shit ain't original, mostly, but they know how to make money and they've landed some incredible acquisitions.

 

[Exceptionally Exceptional]

A lot of those examples are so different from the core myths they're cribbing from they're practically totally original works.

While I do agree that the Disney movies are very much different from the sources they're taken from, I'd still love to see that argument tested in a court.
"Your honor, just because my story is called Star Wars: A New Hope, has characters named Luke Skywalker, Han Solo and Princess Leia, has a villain called Darth Vader, has an order of magical religious monks called Jedi, and is set on locations called Tatooine, Yavin and the Death Star, that doesn't mean it's not completely different from the original Star Wars: A New Hope!"

It's still them taking previously established properties and adapting them, rather than creating wholly new properties. They're often immediately recognizable and comparable to the source material with only a few exceptions. One of them being Hercules, which is almost nothing like the myths besides featuring an incredibly strong character named Hercules who was the son of Zeus. But then, the 12 Labors of Heracles would NOT make a suitable movie for children given the themes. I mean, Heracles was driven bad by his step-mother Hera and slaughters his family! Not really kid friendly.

In cases like Snow White and Sleeping beauty, the majority of the basic story remains the same, though certain events have been changed wholesale to suit the sensibilities of children. I'm not blaming Disney for that, really. These were damn good stories and worthy of adaptation, especially the way Disney did it, and some of what was contained in the original tales wasn't exactly suitable for young audiences (Which makes me wonder why the fuck they were written the way they were in the first place, but I assume it's because the stories weren't originally intended solely for children.)

But if the source material never existed? I don't think Disney would have had quite the staying power it did.

 

[Your Weird Fetish]

In cases like Snow White and Sleeping beauty, the majority of the basic story remains the same, though certain events have been changed wholesale to suit the sensibilities of children. I'm not blaming Disney for that, really. These were damn good stories and worthy of adaptation, especially the way Disney did it, and some of what was contained in the original tales wasn't exactly suitable for young audiences (Which makes me wonder why the fuck they were written the way they were in the first place, but I assume it's because the stories weren't originally intended solely for children.)

Children love scary freaky dangerous stuff. It's the parents that later decided that was unsuitable, not the kids.

 

[Exceptionally Exceptional]

Children love scary freaky dangerous stuff. It's the parents that later decided that was unsuitable, not the kids.

Yeah, but some themes might not have been suitable, for instance the rape that occurred in the original story of Sleeping Beauty. I'm thinking that would be a bit much for kids, as well as possibly sending the wrong sort of message.
I also hate how Hollywood types think EVERYTHING needs a happy ending. Shit, the first adaptations of Shakespeare's plays were all ruined because they tried to change the endings to happy ones, and failed fucking miserably.

Though I will admit that we treat children like utter fucking pussies these days. Hell, I remember a news report years ago about some parents who bitched about the guns in the Pirates of the Caribbean films because their kids started pretending to run around shooting each other using their fingers as mock guns. I mean, that movie was pretty fucking tame as far as the violence went, yet some parents seemed to think it was too much for some asinine reason. What sort of drooling mong doesn't expect guns in a movie about Caribbean era pirates, or fuck's sake?!

 

[FrickinFrackinFruckin]

Hell, just look at how Rescuer's Down Under got the shaft thanks to poor marketing. The movie's a great kid's adventure film, had a fun villain in Mcleach, is a HUGE step up from its predecessor, and had this incredible sequence:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=-coYU-INP3E

I have not seen this movie in a long time. Not since I had it on VHS. The kid looked just like me around the same age and I have the same name, Cody. Loved the film.

 

[Lucille Bluth]

I know some People who are betting that The Aladdin Remake will beat Beauty and the Beast a the box office but I doubt that.

Aladdin's looking to be more of a trainwreck than Beauty was.

 

[Stab You in the Back]

I know some People who are betting that The Aladdin Remake will beat Beauty and the Beast a the box office but I doubt that.

The thing with Beauty and the Beast is that you had every woman of a certain age in addition to normal family audiences going to see that film. I don't think there's an audience who likes Aladdin as much as sad, middle aged women like Beauty and the Beast.

 

[neverendingmidi]

The thing with Beauty and the Beast is that you had every woman of a certain age in addition to normal family audiences going to see that film. I don't think there's an audience who likes Aladdin as much as sad, middle aged women like Beauty and the Beast.

My three favorite Disney movies were “The Little Mermaid”, “Beauty and the Beast”, and “Aladdin” probably because they came out when I was the perfect age as a kid to get excited for them. I would assume I’m the target for the nostalgia they’re aiming at. I couldn’t get through the first 15 minutes of the live action Beauty and the Beast. The sheer amount of autotune was grating on my ears. It killed any interest I had in seeing any live action versions of the others I loved.

 

[Stab You in the Back]

The thing with Beauty and the Beast is that you had every woman of a certain age in addition to normal family audiences going to see that film. I don't think there's an audience who likes Aladdin as much as sad, middle aged women like Beauty and the Beast.

Oh hell, I forgot about The Little Mermaid. That'll be fucking huge.

https://disney.fandom.com/wiki/The_Little_Mermaid_(live-action_film)

• Lindsay Lohan is currently offering to play the role of Ariel, claiming "I will sing again" on her Instagram page.

Sold!

 

[Trilby]

My three favorite Disney movies were “The Little Mermaid”, “Beauty and the Beast”, and “Aladdin” probably because they came out when I was the perfect age as a kid to get excited for them. I would assume I’m the target for the nostalgia they’re aiming at. I couldn’t get through the first 15 minutes of the live action Beauty and the Beast. The sheer amount of autotune was grating on my ears. It killed any interest I had in seeing any live action versions of the others I loved.

I wish they didn't autotune at all.