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Which is Better

  • Chicken Little

    Votes: 433 27.4%
  • Hunchback 2

    Votes: 57 3.6%
  • A slow death

    Votes: 1,088 68.9%

  • Total voters
    1,578
Lilo and Stitch is an amazing movie. And it does bring a smile to my face (Thanos reference intended) that it's the movie that woke Disney shills wish they could have (non white main characters and a beautifully done setting? message about nontraditional familes being just as good? gay aliens?). but instead they'll have to settle for the superficial LOOK A MINORITY way Disney handles things now.
 
I'm still devastated that the Viking mead hall never materialized in Epcot. there were plans for it to be the Arendelle Beer Hall but associating alcohol with princesses is apparently a no-no. Having a big fucking medieval tavern dates all the way back to the early 90's when there were scrapped plans for Gaston's Hunting Lodge in Epcot but it was axed due to them not wanting to have disney character association with epcot which was a rule back then.

Maybe we'll get lucky with all the marvel shit coming in, there's bound to be a Thor branded eatery.
 
Ya know, I actually have to ask: Does Lasseter like animation? He worked for Disney as an animator, so he has to like the medium, but does he not like the 2D Disney films simply because it's Disney and they were at each other's throats for years before the buyout, or is this because he holds a grudge over being fired for daring to promote CGI (because the accusations toward "cheating" with Tron still stung), so he can't be obligated to like the films that came out after his termination? It'd be a pretty dick move if the only reason he took the job at Disney after the buyout was to slowly kill their animation studio out of a petty grudge or something.



Same question as above, but I totally believe he didn't like Sanders. Sanders honestly seems like the kind of guy who's hard to work with (being a perfectionist), but he pumps out good quality. Unless the only reason he hates the guy is because Sanders loves drawing curvy women and it's projection at its finest.



I've been 100% behind this theory for years now, I seriously don't believe it was sheer coincidence the two films came out the same weekend.

I remember a few of the Winnie the Pooh films being released in theaters, but then they stopped around the time 2D films were basically killed in the theatrical market because of the over-saturation.

I always believed that the reason Lasseter disliked Sanders was due to different beliefs in story telling. If you look at the works of Pixar they really follow their motto of "Story is King". Everything is in service to the overall story, which could be seen as why a few of the films are highly emotionally manipulative. Lasseter was more or less the daddy of the company, and it can be assumed that he came up with the motto or at least pushed this approach. I can't say there's anything particularly wrong with this, but it is worth noting. Strong example!es of this are The Incredibles (which is heavily benefited by this, due to allowing for the reveal of Syndrome and the marital drama) and, Up which is why Married Life is so strong. It could also be said that the reason The Good Dinosaur and Brave fell a bit flat is that they were telling heavily character stories with the emphasis on the story, leading to nothing being that strong.

If you look at the works of Sanders, he makes character oriented pictures. They're not so much about what happens, but the people it happens to and the time spent with them. Lilo and Stitch for example has a lot of stuff that could be considered filler from a story perspective, but in the context of the movie really brings it to life. This is epitomised in The Croods, which has the most stock point a-point b travel plot, but the family relationships really make it worth watching.

It wouldn't surprise me from here if Lasseter thought Sanders' work was dog shit and was appalled that Lilo did so unfathomably well. It could also be extrapolated that Lasseter wasn't a fan of older Disney movies due to Walt's insistence on adding more of the "good stuff" which were gags, character moments, and songs. Reports I've read indicate he couldn't care less about the story as it was only to service the good stuff. Probably a stretch but PatF and Pooh could have been sabotaged to end an archaic era of Disney.
You could even speculate that Meet the Robinsons was sabotaged in a similar way as in interviews with people who worked on the film, they say the were glad it turned out horribly as they didn't like any of the changes they were forced to make by Lasseter.

This is all soeculation, but I'm sure it all goes together somehow
 
You could even speculate that Meet the Robinsons was sabotaged in a similar way as in interviews with people who worked on the film, they say the were glad it turned out horribly as they didn't like any of the changes they were forced to make by Lasseter.

Fuck, Meet the Robinsons could've been so good. There's good moments in it (Bowler Hat Guy is the best part of the movie), and it felt like it was going to be a love letter to Disney, but it fell apart so quickly. It's sad, and if any of that speculation is true, Lasseter has fucking issues. Also doesn't help it came out right after Chicken Little.
 
I just really miss 2D and hand drawn animation. I'm sick of 3D. The Snow Queen looked so much better in early stages.
 

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I just really miss 2D and hand drawn animation. I'm sick of 3D. The Snow Queen looked so much better in early stages.
The preproduction sketches are why I still have not seen Frozen: The Snow Queen was the movie Walt wanted to make, but no, they threw it all away because of some crappy song and then had to pull a rush job to even get it out in time.
 
Meh, I still love Frozen, and I still think it's a really good movie. It wasn't the first time that the Walt Disney Company took liberties with the stories they were adapting. Hell, one of the greatest Disney movies ever, Mary Poppins, made the original author sob in the movie theater because she hated it so much ... But people unanimously love that movie (for good reason, too-- it IS a great movie).

If I had been in charge of making the movie, and the songwriters gave me a song like "Let it Go," then I 100% would have done the same thing and changed Elsa into a protagonist. You simply CAN'T unhear a song like "Let it Go," and shelf it. The whole sequence itself is iconic, whether people are sick of it or not.

The twist with Hans works for me in the movie as well, simply because the movie wasn't about "good guys vs. bad guys." It was about the two sisters healing their relationship, and I thought the climax of the movie was perfect for those themes. Granted, Disney has gotten OBNOXIOUS about "twist villains" since, but for Frozen, I thought it worked.
 
I always believed that the reason Lasseter disliked Sanders was due to different beliefs in story telling. If you look at the works of Pixar they really follow their motto of "Story is King". Everything is in service to the overall story, which could be seen as why a few of the films are highly emotionally manipulative. Lasseter was more or less the daddy of the company, and it can be assumed that he came up with the motto or at least pushed this approach. I can't say there's anything particularly wrong with this, but it is worth noting. Strong example!es of this are The Incredibles (which is heavily benefited by this, due to allowing for the reveal of Syndrome and the marital drama) and, Up which is why Married Life is so strong. It could also be said that the reason The Good Dinosaur and Brave fell a bit flat is that they were telling heavily character stories with the emphasis on the story, leading to nothing being that strong.

If you look at the works of Sanders, he makes character oriented pictures. They're not so much about what happens, but the people it happens to and the time spent with them. Lilo and Stitch for example has a lot of stuff that could be considered filler from a story perspective, but in the context of the movie really brings it to life. This is epitomised in The Croods, which has the most stock point a-point b travel plot, but the family relationships really make it worth watching.

It wouldn't surprise me from here if Lasseter thought Sanders' work was dog shit and was appalled that Lilo did so unfathomably well. It could also be extrapolated that Lasseter wasn't a fan of older Disney movies due to Walt's insistence on adding more of the "good stuff" which were gags, character moments, and songs. Reports I've read indicate he couldn't care less about the story as it was only to service the good stuff. Probably a stretch but PatF and Pooh could have been sabotaged to end an archaic era of Disney.
You could even speculate that Meet the Robinsons was sabotaged in a similar way as in interviews with people who worked on the film, they say the were glad it turned out horribly as they didn't like any of the changes they were forced to make by Lasseter.

This is all soeculation, but I'm sure it all goes together somehow

Really? Wow, though it does make a lot of sense.

I always say the reason why Disney nowadays has lost its Disney touch is due to repeating the Pixar formula a little too much for anyone's liking, if you're not sure what I'm saying...

Despite the different themes, the Pixar all pretty much have the same story? It's always two characters who don't get along must go on a wacky roadtrip to mend their relationship and discover the best of themselves. Pixar is clever enough to disguise it with different well thought worlds, messages and character, but with Disney it's much more transparent. With Disney is like:

-Character A is a serious, adorkable hardworking girl with a dream. A certified badass ready to make her dreams occur even if society doubts her. Only flaws may be that she's a little naive and sheltered, but everything will work out for her in the end. (Tiana, Rapunzel, Anna, Judy, Moana)

-Character B is a cynical asshole, smug and arrogant who thinks himself being better than he is. He doesn't like the girl at first, but after some wacky adventures he bonds and falls in love with her, opening to her his tragic backstory at some point in the middle of the story. Or just become a friend, since Disney thinks romances are sexist nowadays and don't want to make any more romantic fairy tales. (Naveen, Flynn, Kristoff, Nick, Maui)

Add in some wacky adventures, Tumblr politics, a generic "be yourself" message, and a plot twist villain, because why not.

I know people complain about the Renaissance/90s films being "the same", but I feel the sameness is found easier nowadays than before. Or maybe I'm just nostalgic, but I'm just not feeling the new Disney movies. I thought the politics in Zootopia were dumb; I watch Disney movies for the magic and escapism, not social justice bullshit. If I want some preppy rabbit girl telling me n-word privileges I'd just go to Tumblr. I like romances and I don't feel they're so horrible and sexist that they need to be cut down. And CGI just looks the same to me, you can't vary in designs the way 2D does.
 
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I think that a big problem with Disney is that they've become too cynical and meta. For me, I don't go to see Disney movies for cynicism.

I love The Princess and The Frog, Tangled, and Frozen. There are some moments here and there of "meta" humor, but it didn't feel overdone, and the movies still felt like genuine parts of some of that famous "Disney Magic" that seems to have been lost over the past handful of years. The lead females in the three movies mentioned are "badasses" and "capable," I guess ... But those characters still had lessons to learn and character arcs leading up to the end (and none of the male characters were rendered useless-- especially Flynn Rider, who is one of my favorite Disney characters now). They were also super feminine as well, and those three movies DID showcase some romance in them.

Compare that to a movie like, let's say, Wreck-It-Ralph 2, where Vanelope is considered to be the "desirable" female character, because she's so macho and hates super girly things. They go so far with that message that they spend several minutes shitting on ALL of the Disney Princesses to make Vanelope seem "cooler." Want to make Vanelope a tomboy? FINE. But don't go on shitting on the feminine or girly Disney characters in the process! The character should stand on her own if she's so awesome.

Mulan wasn't super feminine, but not once throughout that movie do I feel that they shit on femininity. The movie was merely about an individual discovering herself and being proud of who she is, and being really freakin' brave in the process. And look at Belle: She's feminine, but her passion is in reading and learning ... And she's selfless when it comes to her family-- all admirable traits. She doesn't shit on other people who don't deserve it; she just expresses that the small country life isn't for her and that she doesn't fit in (just like Mulan).

Disney doesn't know how to write nuanced characters like this anymore. Even with the Beauty & The Beast remake, they make a point of having Belle verbally shit on other women because they're "too simple," unlike her. They can't even recreate classic characters properly, and it sucks!
 
This social justice thing wasn't stopped, btw. Apparently a cancelled film of theirs they were planning was going to be Jack and the Beanstalk set in Spain, and they were planning on making it a story commenting on Spain's history of colonization and throwing out Muslim invaders...

Man, a Zootopia type movie shitting on a country's history for not being progressive enough? Because that sounds totally "fun"...
 
I just really miss 2D and hand drawn animation. I'm sick of 3D. The Snow Queen looked so much better in early stages.
You can emulate the effects of 2d at this point pretty well. It's getting close to Don Bluth territory if you decide to add mocap data to the rigs.

The textures on the model can also be animated by hand so stuff like eyes and mouths will look just like how they did in 2d. You can also animate a gradiant and trasnparency for textures.

Theres new renders and shaders that also lend themselves to specifically getting that late 80's/ early 90's 2d look down.
 
This social justice thing wasn't stopped, btw. Apparently a cancelled film of theirs they were planning was going to be Jack and the Beanstalk set in Spain, and they were planning on making it a story commenting on Spain's history of colonization and throwing out Muslim invaders...

Man, a Zootopia type movie shitting on a country's history for not being progressive enough? Because that sounds totally "fun"...

Is that what Giants was going to be about? For reals?

What the fuck...
 
Is that what Giants was going to be about? For reals?

What the fuck...

Not exactly, since they haven't given us much of the details, but apparently the story was going to be about Jack (resembling a lot Flynn Rider) meeting up with a giant girl (as in, five year old giant), and they'd go on wacky shenanigans, where she plays dollies with him, and apparently the struggle was that her dad, the Giant King, was overprotective over her or some crap like that.

Now I'm just speculating, but they established that the film was going to be set in the Age of Exploration of Spain, and that they would "critically comment the old cartoons of a Conquistador flavor". So while something not that explicit, seeing how now Disney wants to talk about politics like they did in Zootopia, I wouldn't be surprised if they had portrayed the Spaniards as being evil greedy white men and the Giants as the peaceful Native/Muslim allegories who just want to live in peace and not be exploited. Blah blah blah bulls are cruel Spanish toxic masculinity blah blah blah fuck Trump fuck the wall diversity is our strength let them in blah blah blah Spain was bad for exploiting the Americas cue credits give us the Oscar.

I mean I'm just maybe going way too wild speculating, but I mean, anything's possible with Disney nowadays.
 
Not exactly, since they haven't given us much of the details, but apparently the story was going to be about Jack (resembling a lot Flynn Rider) meeting up with a giant girl (as in, five year old giant), and they'd go on wacky shenanigans, where she plays dollies with him, and apparently the struggle was that her dad, the Giant King, was overprotective over her or some crap like that.

Now I'm just speculating, but they established that the film was going to be set in the Age of Exploration of Spain, and that they would "critically comment the old cartoons of a Conquistador flavor". So while something not that explicit, seeing how now Disney wants to talk about politics like they did in Zootopia, I wouldn't be surprised if they had portrayed the Spaniards as being evil greedy white men and the Giants as the peaceful Native/Muslim allegories who just want to live in peace and not be exploited. Blah blah blah bulls are cruel Spanish toxic masculinity blah blah blah fuck Trump fuck the wall diversity is our strength let them in blah blah blah Spain was bad for exploiting the Americas cue credits give us the Oscar.

I mean I'm just maybe going way too wild speculating, but I mean, anything's possible with Disney nowadays.

I highly, highly doubt Disney was going to go that way, unless it was extremely watered-down.

They were, admittedly, talking how this was going to be "the definitive version" of the tale - they're self-aware enough now to know how that happened to all the other stories they've done - and now it's not being made, so it'll never be definitive. Haha.
 
I highly, highly doubt Disney was going to go that way, unless it was extremely watered-down.

They were, admittedly, talking how this was going to be "the definitive version" of the tale - they're self-aware enough now to know how that happened to all the other stories they've done - and now it's not being made, so it'll never be definitive. Haha.
Either way, at least Spain's not being shamed anymore than it is.
 
Meh, I still love Frozen, and I still think it's a really good movie. It wasn't the first time that the Walt Disney Company took liberties with the stories they were adapting. Hell, one of the greatest Disney movies ever, Mary Poppins, made the original author sob in the movie theater because she hated it so much ... But people unanimously love that movie (for good reason, too-- it IS a great movie).

If I had been in charge of making the movie, and the songwriters gave me a song like "Let it Go," then I 100% would have done the same thing and changed Elsa into a protagonist. You simply CAN'T unhear a song like "Let it Go," and shelf it. The whole sequence itself is iconic, whether people are sick of it or not.

The twist with Hans works for me in the movie as well, simply because the movie wasn't about "good guys vs. bad guys." It was about the two sisters healing their relationship, and I thought the climax of the movie was perfect for those themes. Granted, Disney has gotten OBNOXIOUS about "twist villains" since, but for Frozen, I thought it worked.
Except it's well known that Disney always alters fairy tales and the books they adapt and there's liberties and then there's rewriting a whole story that barely has anything in common with the source material. I hate Frozen and will until my dying breath.
 
Except it's well known that Disney always alters fairy tales and the books they adapt and there's liberties and then there's rewriting a whole story that barely has anything in common with the source material. I hate Frozen and will until my dying breath.

Maybe that's why the movie is called "Frozen" and not "The Snow Queen," then?

Go on, hate it. It's cool. I still think it's a good movie though.
 
Apparently marquee value is limited to one-word titles (with exception of names, I suppose), which is stupid. I think this era of Disney should be named the "Marquee Era" instead of "Restoration Era".
 
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