Does Thomas actually know any Native Americans?

[FinnSven]

Good question, one I've never really considered before. If I were to assume, just based on my own cultural knowledge, I would think it's likely a status thing. A hunter keeps and uses pelts to honor the game he hunts. The best hunter has the most pelts, right? So, the guy with the most pelts leads the hunt. Logically, the same would apply to warriors and scalps. Except, rather than honoring the previous "owner" of the scalp it would be an act of humiliation. A sort of "I beat you, now I own a piece of you and that brings me renown." thing.

It's never really been a thing I've brought up or discussed, to be honest.

My reading on it was it started as a way for the white settler forces, first British and French, then later independent US soldiers, to humiliate natives they captured or had killed.
They believed that the hair of the native warriors was an important symbol to them.

Later it appeared to have been adopted by the natives as they seemed to think it must be something that the white men found to be humiliating, which was why they did it to native warriors.

Of course this may be something that has been conflated from various accounts by several different people from different periods.

 

[AnOminous]

My reading on it was it started as a way for the white settler forces, first British and French, then later independent US soldiers, to humiliate natives they captured or had killed.

No, it was because they had a bounty system and you'd prove a kill with a scalp. Apparently ears were impractical for some reason, possibly because they didn't prove it was an Injun.

 

[Anonymus Fluhre]

No, it was because they had a bounty system and you'd prove a kill with a scalp. Apparently ears were impractical for some reason, possibly because they didn't prove it was an Injun.

That was the Dutch that put bounties on them but Natives were scalping each other long before colonists arrived.

 

[RadioactiveMonkeyMan]

That was the Dutch that put bounties on them but Natives were scalping each other long before colonists arrived.

Apparently. I just decided to a very quick look and there's evidence of scalping at the Crow Creek Massacre (Yeah, wikipedia. Sue me.) including two skeletal remains that showed evidence of having survived previously having their wigs snatched. That's from the 14th century.

I still stick to my statement before. It's most likely a possession/humiliation gesture to your enemy as well as a social cue for who of the group is a more successful warrior. As far as I know for the Cree, we were far more likely to take live capture to use a slaves or "wives" as we were pretty keen on snatching women from other bands.

 

[Anonymus Fluhre]

Apparently. I just decided to a very quick look and there's evidence of scalping at the Crow Creek Massacre (Yeah, wikipedia. Sue me.) including two skeletal remains that showed evidence of having survived previously having their wigs snatched. That's from the 14th century.

I still stick to my statement before. It's most likely a possession/humiliation gesture to your enemy as well as a social cue for who of the group is a more successful warrior. As far as I know for the Cree, we were far more likely to take live capture to use a slaves or "wives" as we were pretty keen on snatching women from other bands.

You can live for a few months if done right. It's a good horror tactic to demoralize your enemies.

 

[AnOminous]

It's most likely a possession/humiliation gesture to your enemy as well as a social cue for who of the group is a more successful warrior.

It may very well have been for them, and we very well may have borrowed the actual practice from them, but for us, it was a matter of practicality and being able to pay people to kill Injuns, while not getting cheated by people robbing graves or worse, killing white people or cutting off their ears.

 

[RadioactiveMonkeyMan]

It may very well have been for them, and we very well may have borrowed the actual practice from them, but for us, it was a matter of practicality and being able to pay people to kill Injuns, while not getting cheated by people robbing graves or worse, killing white people or cutting off their ears.

And so began the illustrious business of the Glantons, scalping Mexicans and selling them back to their own government. Sorry, this whole conversation has reminded me of Blood Meridian

 

[Mellow Malevolent]

Scalping has occurred as a practice on all continent. Scandinavia, Central Asia, Africa around Dahomey, Indonesia, to name a few places it has appeared. It's just a practical solution for war trophies and bounties in a way a bag of severed heads never could be.

Tom's scalp wouldn't fetch much though. They would probably think it came off some rat.

 

[CrazyRandomZyn]

Injuns have too much self respect to associate with Pedo-White-Goblin-Stank-Clouds

They would shoot him without hesitation if he aims for the weed used for rituals, at least from my recollection from a True And Honest Native American tribe member.

 

[W00K #17]

He smoked weed with Kokopelli and Hunter Biden on the roof of the Whitehouse while they listened to Dark Side of The Moon.

 

[Anonymus Fluhre]

Notice where I said "Very close groups, yes but not the same"? Did you also know there's an entirely different culture from the two called Oji-Cree? They're a mixed descent people that's also distinct enough to warrant being its own unique culture. I'm keeping this short, because arguing with you is pointless @Miss Tommie Jayne Wasserberg. A wide majority of First Nations speak different dialects of Algonquin, and those dialects are seperate enough they count as individual languages.

You're ignorant, and you're unwilling to learn. You just want someone to say you're right. I won't because you aren't.

mitigomizh Ojibwe for oak
mistikominahtik Cree for oak

You can tell that they belong to the same style of language (Proto-Algonquian), similar to that of French and Spanish just being Latin languages. Not that Thomas would understand things like Etymology. They're culturally different which influenced their languages.
Latin example
Bonne nuit French for goodnight
Buenas noches Spanish for goodnight
bonum nocte Latin for goodnight (though there were other ways to say "goodnight" Latin, this is just the rough way of saying it)

Now I'm going back to bed.

 

[Uncle Buck]

What does "gained prominence on the Trail of Tears" mean? You can't just throw shit like that out there Tom. Are you saying your friend is a relative of the Sequoyah, ie. George Gist?

Also lol:

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You better go disown your native friend as a tool of imperialism Tom.

Just when I think naZielensky memes can’t get more cringe……

 

[FinnSven]

No, it was because they had a bounty system and you'd prove a kill with a scalp. Apparently ears were impractical for some reason, possibly because they didn't prove it was an Injun.

I heard that too.

Maybe it is because it was such a widespread practice there are various reasons given, and all of them have some supporting evidence, depending on area and period.

Scalping has occurred as a practice on all continent. Scandinavia, Central Asia, Africa around Dahomey, Indonesia, to name a few places it has appeared. It's just a practical solution for war trophies and bounties in a way a bag of severed heads never could be.

Tom's scalp wouldn't fetch much though. They would probably think it came off some rat.

As is said here! It was not just a native American thing. It is probably just associated with them in the popular imagination as "Scalp um paleface" was a common trope in Pulp western films and media.

 

[Picnic_Boy]

Tom shouldn't talk about Native American affairs, he really doesn't get it at all. Space Jews, now there's a topic he can talk about with authority.

 

[Glowie]

But tom is a Cherokee pwincezz guise

Canadian Cherokee who are 6’2 construction workers would scalp this Degenerate and leave his corpse in a ravine for what he has done.
In eyes of real tribes, read not mutt see
@Miss Tommie Jayne Wasserberg as a white colonizer that he is.

You don't want to fuck around and find out with traditional Cherokee chads around.

 

[Postal_Rat]

Tom shouldn't talk about Native American affairs, he really doesn't get it at all. Space Jews, now there's a topic he can talk about with authority.

I don't know bro he said they were coming in 2020 and yet here we are

 

[Open Window Maniac]

I have to imagine interacting with Tommy Tooter would top the list of the worst things white people have ever done to Native Americans.

 

[Space Cooter]

He’s not allowed on the reserves. They know who he is. They are (rightfully) super paranoid about creepy white pederasts like tom targeting vulnerable wagon burner kids and ban creepy weirdos like him

He probably knows some drug addicts who are native but that’s about it

 

[repentance]

He probably knows some drug addicts who are native but that’s about it

He's said in the past that he's bought his weed from NA growers.

 

[FinnSven]

He’s not allowed on the reserves. They know who he is. They are (rightfully) super paranoid about creepy white pederasts like tom targeting vulnerable wagon burner kids and ban creepy weirdos like him

He probably knows some drug addicts who are native but that’s about it

He probably watched that episode of South Park in which Cheech and Chong were pretending to be native Americans to con a hippy alternative medicine woman, so assumes that he assumes that he knows them.