Disaster Dozens killed as passenger plane crashes in Kazakhstan - No it wasn't a Boeing.

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Dozens of people have died after a passenger plane crashed with 67 people on board in Kazakhstan, local officials say.

Authorities in Azerbaijan, where the flight originated, say there were at least 30 survivors.

Azerbaijan Airlines flight J2-8243 caught fire as it attempted to make an emergency landing near the Kazakh city of Aktau.

The plane was en route to Grozny in Russia but it was diverted due to fog, the airline told the BBC.

Video verified by Reuters news agency shows the plane heading towards the ground at high speed, with its landing gear down.

Seconds after it seems to attempt to land, a huge fireball erupts.

The airline said the plane "made an emergency landing" about 3km (1.9 miles) from Aktau.

It took off from the Azerbaijani capital Baku at 03:55 GMT on Wednesday, and crashed around 06:28, data from flight-tracking website Flightradar24 showed.

There were 62 passengers and 5 crew members on board the Embraer 190 aircraft, the transport ministry said.

Those on board were mostly Azerbaijani nationals, but there were also some passengers from Russia, Kazakhstan, and Kyrgyzstan.

Out of the 25 known survivors, 22 were taken to hospital, the emergency ministry said.

Unverified video footage showed emergency services pulling people out of the wreckage and survivors crawling out.

Both Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan have launched investigations into the cause of the accident. Embraer told the BBC it was "ready to assist all relevant authorities".

The BBC has contacted Azerbaijan Airlines for comment.

The aircraft involved was an Embraer E190, the Brazilian company is a smaller rival to Boeing and Airbus, it traditionally has a strong safety record.

 
Reduced or absent pitch authority. The plane had lawn dart attitude as it attempted to land. Very clearly a flight control issue. With multiple engine failures, you can still glide to land with a relatively normal landing attitude.
There's even a cutesy little term for it, the "Phugoid Cycle".

If you have thrust (forward power) and lateral stability (side to side), but no pitch (up down) control in a plane? It will naturally want to climb just a bit. As it does, air speed will bleed off, and it will lose lift, and drop into a dive. As it dives, it gains airspeed, produces lift again, and ... the cycle starts anew, leading to a sine wave pattern through the sky.

Famous air crashes due to loss of hydraulics, like Japan Air 123 and United 232, were able to "fly" this way for a long time after their flight controls were knocked out with the only effective way to turn being to try and vary engine thrust from side to side and time a landing right with one of the dips.

United 232 managed to do this enough to set up it's famous crash landing that ensured some survivors, while JAL 123 unfortunately clipped a mountain while trying same and crashed with almost no survivors.
 
Famous air crashes due to loss of hydraulics, like Japan Air 123
Thinking about this incident always gives me a swoop of anxiety in my gut. It's one thing for a cataclysmic failure to instantly rip you from life, but to be stuck in a minimally controlled aircraft for half a fucking hour building suspense... Guh.

And once again, tail riders live to regret their choice to fly.
 
Don’t Embraer have an amazing safety record unless there’s Russians involved?
Everyone has a good safety record until the Russians get involved.

I wondered the same question. How many of these passengers are doctors or lawyers?
You're going down the wrong track, remember they shot down Malaysian MH17 for no other reason than an amped-up SAM operator wanted a kill and didn't bother to do IFF before firing?

If Russia wants you dead, they just kill you and laugh about it. There's no need for cloak and dagger when you don't give a shit about blowback. If anything, they have a history of leaving "From Russia With Love" engraved on the daggers.
 
a plane like that should be able to handle a bird strike to an engine and lane safely at a nearby airport.
And yet birds have managed to take down large planes before. What should happen and what does are not always the same.

I don't know if it was a bird strike, but it very well could have been.
 
JAL 123 unfortunately clipped a mountain while trying same and crashed with almost no survivors
JSDF refused US forces assistance. There would have been many more survivors if they didn’t have to spend the night on top of the mountain.
the shrapnel could also be from the engine coming apart and shooting its flaming inards out like a shotgun.
The nacelles are designed to contain the compressor blades when they fail. That would be very unlikely. And even if essential systems were compromised, they are duplicated on the remaining operating engine.
 
The E190 has only had two other fatal accidents, one involving a pilot intentionally crashing the plane and the other Chinese pilot error.
I have very minor aeroplane autism, so I know if there’s two regions of the world to avoid flying it’s anywhere in Central Asia or Russia who still have the retarded Soviet Hero mentality to flying and think things like training or safety or being sober are gay.
 
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