Dr. Who

[UnKillFill]

As a kid who'd grown up watching reruns of the Tom Baker and Peter Davison eras, I hated that - to me the Doctor was meant to be an uncle/teacher/leader figure, not a romantic hero.

Hey, uncles need to get laid too... If Uncle Phil never got his dick wet then we'd never have gotten the Carlton dance.

 

[GlupShitto]

Sorry -- I'm sure this has been discussed, but what do people think about the new black Doctor? I've always been of the opinion that the doctor changing race with a regeneration makes some sense, but never bought him changing gender. I doubt the writing has improved much even though Davies is back, but how about the doctor as a character/performance?

I'm also curious. how were the three specials that had Tennant and Donna? The last thing I watched was the end of Capaldi's run (and when I think about going back to his last series all I can think of is "History's a whitewash" and I change my mind). Seeing Tennant and the best nu-Who companion reunite could be tempting but not if the writing is trash.

I also noticed how crap the viewership numbers are for these past couple seasons, but I've been re-watching Breaking Bad lately and realized series 14 and 15 have gotten more UK viewers than BB did in US viewers up until its last 8 episodes. Now idk what factors could be at play but that's pretty depressing.

Honestly, despite not liking how he looks (the way his ape-like jaw juts out activates some primal urge in me to cleanse the earth of niggers and beat him to death with my bare hands, but that's not his fault, that's just how I feel about any and all nigs I see), he's one of the best. He's great at all the aspects of the character that are universal while still carving out his own identity in the role instead of playing a basic version of the Doctor but he's a woman or a nigger or whatever like we saw during Jodie's run. In this most recent episode, he gave one hell of an enraged performance that cemented him as easily being in my top five Doctors (I feel like that meme about the racist being excited for nigger Electro lol).

In terms of the show's quality, last season was downright awful with the exception of Boom (there was one episode that was just faggot shit and another in which The Doctor showed Ruby Pyramids of Mars like the actual episode from the 70s), but this season's actually been good enough that I can look past the wokeness for the most part (pretending segregation was real and practiced in the US was cringe but RTD accidentally undermined that by having everyone just be okay with the Doctor and his jeet sidekick who's also good enough I don't mind that she's a street shitter). I think it took Davies some time to find his footing again, but all in all this season's been great with one exception.

This week's episode. Despite having one hell of a pissed off Doctor monologue that rivals Tennant in Family of Blood, it's all about gubmint good and people demanding they not waste our tax dollars bad and conspiracy theorists bad. Now I get it, this was a thinly veiled allegory for people wanting to defund the BBC (not the nig Doctor's dick) and I know that the people who work for the BBC don't want it defunded and I also get that as an American, I have no real horse in this race beyond liking this one show, but after seeing this episode, I wish some brit would go up to the BBC offices and show them the true meaning of the second amendment and leave no survivors.

But also I think the UNIT monster jail is a cool concept and I hope it shows up again.

As for the 60th anniversary episodes, the first one was a trooned up adaptation of a comic from the 70s (Donna tragically didn't put her tranny son down like she would've if she were real) and as such it's unbearably cringe, but the second episode was one of the best horror episodes we've gotten. The third one was a cringe sequel to a story maybe six living people have actually seen (The Celestial Toymaker) and introduced the concept of bigeneration (so now Tennant 2 and Nigtor Who both coexist) which seemingly goes nowhere.

So all in all, it's a shame this season isn't doing well (if season 1 had been this good, I imagine it'd be doing much better) and if I had to choose one nigger to survive a culling of all apes, Ncuti Gatwa would be my choice.

I heard a rumor that Disney is looking to buy Doctor Who. I hope that's just a rumor...

Like, when I heard the rumors that Amazon wants to buy James Bond, I was actually a little offended. There's something wrong with characters who were created to be British icons being owned by American companies. It would be like Johnny Appleseed being owned by China.

I can't imagine they would. They're burying it on Disney Plus right now (it's the second to last thing on the carousel behind a livestream of Book of Boba Fett, Andor, Revenge of the Sith, and Phineas and Ferb while it just wasn't on the carousel last week). That being said, if the BBC does die (which after this episode I think it should), I imagine it'll get snapped up by some American company, they'll give it one season, it'll bomb, and then it'll rot in obscurity for the rest of time, only brought up when people talk about the days of gay crossover fanfics with Sherlock and Supernatural.

 

[BetterFuckChuck]

Glad this topic got bumped, I kinda wanna vent.

I've recently been rewatching the Tenant era but hit a roadblock...

So, am I the only person on Earth who absolutely hates the "Human Nature"/"Family of Blood" two-parter?

Apparently these episodes won an award and I can't credit why (though I have guesses). The premise is absolutely retarded, the most addle-brained fanfic-tier garbage: the Doctor decides to hide from aliens by wiping his own memory and living as a human, and for some reason takes Martha (who is black) with him... to 1913.

The whole idea just feels like the most retarded fuck thing. Like oh, best way to deal with evil alien assassins is to render yourself defenseless, plus subject your friend to horrible treatment!

Of course, not only is this fanfic-tier garbage, it's literally adapted from a fanfic.

I think I may just skip these two episodes entirely rather than subject myself to them again.

it's a concept episode, a character piece. the premise is retarded, yes, but the point of it isnt the building blocks they're using but the shape of what theyre doing

Sorry -- I'm sure this has been discussed, but what do people think about the new black Doctor? I've always been of the opinion that the doctor changing race with a regeneration makes some sense, but never bought him changing gender. I doubt the writing has improved much even though Davies is back, but how about the doctor as a character/performance?

I'm also curious. how were the three specials that had Tennant and Donna? The last thing I watched was the end of Capaldi's run (and when I think about going back to his last series all I can think of is "History's a whitewash" and I change my mind). Seeing Tennant and the best nu-Who companion reunite could be tempting but not if the writing is trash.

I also noticed how crap the viewership numbers are for these past couple seasons, but I've been re-watching Breaking Bad lately and realized series 14 and 15 have gotten more UK viewers than BB did in US viewers up until its last 8 episodes. Now idk what factors could be at play but that's pretty depressing.

the doctor trilogy was pretty much a desperate nostalgia fest for the show, a last grasp at relevance. adapting a comic strip of all things, but with retarded tranny shit was actually the only not-tired idea in the sense that going that dumb with your identity nonsense when trying to win back viewers is almost admirably retard. but then rewriting the lore to justify tennantwank and having an old 60s villain dance to pop music in the next two episodes is typical RTDation

 

[starborn427614]

He can dance and pull off a cheeky grin, but that's it. He just doesn't have the acting range.

I've said elsewhere in the thread that I like Gatwa as the Doctor, but I can't disagree with this. Someone like Capaldi would've radiated danger during that scene at the end of the latest episode, but Gatwa's just too...cuddly? Even when he's angry he's still chipper.

 

[ShortPoppy]

I've just watched Lucky Day - for a while I was pleasantly surprised that we had a young, white, non-toxic male main character, but that didn't last long
He made a pretty good villain though, I'm sure there are a lot of lolcows with threads here who have the same deranged narcissism + social media clout to fuel it.
The preachiness was way too drawn out; anyone who thinks they can talk sense into a narcissist is just as delusional as he is.
Kate turning into a psychopath and sic'ing the alien on him to prove that it's real is not an action that would do UNIT's public image any favours in the real world, I'd think. (At least that UNIT guard told her off for it.)
The Doctor's speech at the end was just weird - like it's his daily job to look after the good people of Earth and silly billies like Conrad are making it harder.
Dude. You're an ancient time-travelling alien with futuristic technology and knowledge centuries ahead of Earth's, not a public servant beleaguered by the demands of a Monday to Friday job in a government agency.

 

[BetterFuckChuck]

very funny when doctor who is making fun of people who get more views than the show does

 

[skykiii]

They made Sir Newton look like an Indian tranny in an Evangelion high school costume, I wouldn't have even guessed it was supposed to be him if it hadn't been specified.

Dude have you ever seen classical portraits of Newton?

Guy always looked kinda feminine. I have not seen the episode but just going by that picture the other Kiwi posted, I'd say he looked the part.

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So, here's a question that only real nerds can answer (and I don't expect a serious answer, I'm just in a silly mood today):

... So... whatever happened to that one planet with the mathematicians that keep reality going? That was kind of an important story in the old days (since it was the episode where Tom Baker left the show and all).

I just watched the episode "The Caves of Androzani" and a major plot point is a powder drug that keeps you young. Anyone but me get the feeling the writer might have just read Dune, where the Spice has a similar effect (one among many?) Not necessarily a bad thing--classic Doctor Who was fully aware it was part of the Science Fiction canon.

Finally...... anyone but me ever have that decision paralysis where you want to add to your Doctor Who DVD collection but don't know which classic episode to go for next? Especially since the DVD releases (which is what I prefer) are so cheap now.

I'd like to fill out my selection of Tom Baker and Peter Davison episodes especially.

 

[blackface enthusiast]

Guy always looked kinda feminine. I have not seen the episode but just going by that picture the other Kiwi posted, I'd say he looked the part.

Isaac Newton was not brown but the actor who portrayed him was. The problem is we've had to deal with this "representation matters" horseshit where a legion of bluehairs will kick up a hissy fit when a black character is voiced by a white guy or whatever. But a real historical figure who was white and one of the most important scientific figures in human history can be brownwashed because "we have to go back and tell a lie" and pretend that every major achievement in human history came from dark skinned hands. Even showing a white person in a non-negative light is some kind of affront to this ideology.

... So... whatever happened to that one planet with the mathematicians that keep reality going? That was kind of an important story in the old days (since it was the episode where Tom Baker left the show and all).

The real answer is that Who has pretty fast and loose with canon like that. The Doctor has been to "the end of time" multiple times across the show's run and it's different each time.

I tend to look at it as a wibbly-wobbly thing where at that time, Logopolis existed and was integral to the functions of reality but after enough reality altering events (such as the Time War) it was no longer really a thing. The Doctor also mentions something along the lines about how it used to be easier to slip between dimensions when the Time Lords were "managing everything" in the Pete's World episode, so I also take it that stuff like that or the Guardians of Time which were like physical manifestations of a product of the Time Lords ordering reality around their worldview, and without them things like altering reality with numbers are outside of everyone's reach again.

 

[skykiii]

The real answer is that Who has pretty fast and loose with canon like that.

I mean, that is the truth. But the joy of Doctor Who is its fun to bullshit one's own explanation.

As much as I don't like the post-reboot series, I did think the Time War concept was a good way to handwave potential inconsistencies. "Oh the Time Lords fucked up everything and its all different now."

But I do like to think of all the weird stuff the Doctor encountered in the old days and wonder why its not still around or what kind of tales they could spin with it.

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Honest question.... what did Kiwis think of Torchwood? I never watched it except I think I saw the first episode once, and I recall back in the day on whatever forum I was on at the time people said it was bad. But I'm wondering if its worth it if I can find the complete series for less than fifty bucks?

 

[skykiii]

I tried editing this question into my previous post but the thread was two days dead at the point and it didn't get noticed:


Honest question.... what did Kiwis think of Torchwood? I never watched it except I think I saw the first episode once, and I recall back in the day on whatever forum I was on at the time people said it was bad. But I'm wondering if its worth it if I can find the complete series for less than fifty bucks?

 

[blackface enthusiast]

The first season is a mess but it does hit its stride eventually. But really it's just a Buffy reskin but with more sex and swearing, so it's funny James Marsters shows up. I think some of the ideas it explores are more interesting than the show itself, like the gauntlet that can bring dead characters back to life and Rhys's whole experience with it. It feels like you have to bite around the weepy melodrama to get to the interesting sci-fi.

No surprise Chris Chibnall was a big player in the terrible first season either, so many premises or ideas in that season that just aren't really well explored and it's almost always an episode he wrote. Can't really remember if he's involved much after that but I imagine less so because later seasons feel a bit more like they knew what they were doing.

Children of Earth is great though and I feel like it's worth chewing through some of the weaker episodes of S1 and S2 to make it to that point.

Miracle Day was pretty terrible though, the American side of the production did it no favors and it had such a dumb conclusion. It suffers from a similar problem S1 and S2 did where you had to eat a lot of sappy melodrama and dumb scenes to get to the cool sci-fi, like there were a lot of interesting moral dilemmas brought up by the issue but none of the conclusions were ever satisfying. Not to mention the idea of something like this happening with no Doctor in sight makes zero sense. Children of Earth happens over a shorter span of time so you can kind of buy a timey wimey thing, like the Doctor knows that the Earthlings win despite what they lose and his interfering could make the issue worse by changing the timeline. But Miracle Day happens over the course of months, so it's kind of incredulous to think the Doctor would never get involved in such a compelling mystery. I know it's a TV show and not real and they can not have Doctor Who show up if they want but the fact is Torchwood is a spinoff of the series so the Doctor is intrinsicly linked to the world, so that plus the American production just makes it feel like a totally different show.

And I feel like Gwen got a bit girlbossed before that became a thing. Every scene is about how badass and determined she is, she's lost all the vulnerability and relatability she had in past seasons as kind of our Luke Skywalker, our John Everman (or Everywoman) that feels as out of place and alien in this world of sci-fi boogeymen as we do. Instead she's totally unrelatable, and we're left with the very bad American characters who all suck instead to try to relate to as they begin to navigate this much less interesting, Americanized sci-fi world.

 

[UnKillFill]

And I feel like Gwen got a bit girlbossed before that became a thing. Every scene is about how badass and determined she is, she's lost all the vulnerability and relatability she had in past seasons as kind of our Luke Skywalker, our John Everman (or Everywoman) that feels as out of place and alien in this world of sci-fi boogeymen as we do. Instead she's totally unrelatable, and we're left with the very bad American characters who all suck instead to try to relate to as they begin to navigate this much less interesting, Americanized sci-fi world.

I'll never get over the time that gap toothed bitch cheated on her fiancé with... I think it was Jack, felt guilty about it and told him she cheated, and then when he wasn't ok with being cheated on and wanted to break up with her, she used an alien McGuffin of the week to wipe his memory of being told, then she ended up marrying him under false pretenses.

Iirc, the show kind of treated it like a joke, or at very least no where near as fucked up as it actually was. I don't think he ever found out she cheated again, even though the whole rest of the team knew.

I know it's stereotypical, but imagine the genders were reversed. Either way around, it's literally rape.

 

[ShortPoppy]

The Dead Ringers parody of Torchwood sums it up pretty well:

 

[Roy's Food Repair]

I tried editing this question into my previous post but the thread was two days dead at the point and it didn't get noticed:


Honest question.... what did Kiwis think of Torchwood? I never watched it except I think I saw the first episode once, and I recall back in the day on whatever forum I was on at the time people said it was bad. But I'm wondering if its worth it if I can find the complete series for less than fifty bucks?

Mechagamezilla had a good take on the I Hate Doctor Who podcast (really good podcast btw).
It was an obvious embarrassing misstep in hindsight, and it's a shame that it is going to exist forever now. Doctor Who is for kids, and the idea of making an "adult" version with swearing and gay sex should never have been entertained. Because of the trannies over at the TARDIS wiki, an unsuspecting child can go from reading an article about Cybermen, to reading an article about Cocksucking.
I wouldn't spend 50 bucks on the whole series, maybe 10 for blu rays.

 

[blackface enthusiast]

I think that's why Children of Earth is so highly regarded because it's a good example of a Doctor Who property tackling some extremely mature, heavy subject matter that would NEVER fly on the main program without it being bogged down so heavily in sex and swearing "because it's an adult programme so we need that stuff!" It makes me wish the show was more like that and less like "what if a Cyberman said bollocks lol, what if a Dalek had sex haha."

It's a shame the show is on its way to cancellation because a soft reboot of Torchwood, even just as a concept, would be really interesting if it could learn from that.

 

[skykiii]

It's a shame the show is on its way to cancellation because a soft reboot of Torchwood, even just as a concept, would be really interesting if it could learn from that.

What do you mean "on its way to cancellation?" Everything I've read says Torchwood ended yonks ago.

 

[blackface enthusiast]

I saw a cap of this article in the US Politics thread and it instantly made me think of the Monks.

What do you mean "on its way to cancellation?" Everything I've read says Torchwood ended yonks ago.

No, I mean Doctor Who looks like it's on its way to cancellation. Still no word of a third season being greenlit. If they did a followup we'd be waiting years because nothing is in production yet.

 

[skykiii]

No, I mean Doctor Who looks like it's on its way to cancellation. Still no word of a third season being greenlit. If they did a followup we'd be waiting years because nothing is in production yet.

So what you're saying is we might need to prepare to return to the wilderness?

Explanation for younger Who fans: The period from 1989 to 2005 was called the Wilderness Years because Doctor Who was supported by everything except a mainline TV series.

 

[blackface enthusiast]

I know there's been some posts in the thread from people saying they think this season is better but how much better is crap than shit? At this rate it would be 2027 before we got any new episodes - maybe a Christmas special before a new season in summer of 2028. I think it's cooked, particularly because woke is beginning to go out of fashion.

So yeah I think Wilderness Years 2 is on the table which I'm really interested in given we have AI and stuff, but also because it's ending on such a sour note. I would not be surprised if the majority of the WY2 crowd decides to go back to the Capaldi years and pretend that everything after never happened.

 

[$3_Bill_Yall]

RTD 2.0 is absolute dross, and I say this as an ardent fan of what he did for the show back in the 2000s.

Yes, I agree that not only will the show be entering its wilderness years, but it will benefit from it.

Here's the thing: Doctor Who's expanded universe is enormous with audios, novels, comics, fan creations - the works. I would even go as far as saying that it's potentially more expansive than Star Wars. I haven't even mentioned revisiting 1963-1989 and 2005-present as rewatch.

There's PLENTY to see and do. Embrace the wilderness years, I will be.