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Dragonsnow / DrDragonTim / Snowdragon6450, and the Changed Community - Chinese Furry Shotacon artist and game developer behind Changed, the Furry EPI game responsible for minors getting exposed to transformation fetishism.
Yeah those two steam discussions is the definiton getting gaslighted and I can see what people mean by Changed fans using gaslighting kind of tactics because the dude was making it clear what the issue was and yet they were jumping him like their life depended on defending the game and Dragonsnow was not helping his case either with how he was reacting like saying things like "no one cares about the children" and "Why are you guys so interested in whether the main character is an adult or not?" Like the user is explaining specifically why that is important and the dude is basically getting attacked for asking some valid questions and rapax ain't quite helping either. Like the User explained pretty well what was going on and why people might see the character as a minor and they basically ignored him or took like a personal attack.
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"noooo it is all for the greater good haha"
"what do you mean you're 15? all characters are 18+ haha"
"does the hidden danger know about me???"
Best part is how these sorts of people like to constantly sperg out about "BEING GASLIGHTED" by others, perfect example of "It's okay when WE do it!".
Greater good in question: Turns Colin into a Sex slave/Pet and his whole research team being responsible for screwing humanity over even more and what's funnier is the elites likely already had their cure to begin with and they basically decided to say fuck all to anyone on the service, so they made the scientist and dr K work on a cure they already got so the elites effectively sacrificed everyone on the surface to save themselves and at that point them working on the cure they chose was doomed the minute they even started.
Greater good in question: Turns Colin into a Sex slave/Pet and his whole research team being responsible for screwing humanity over even more and what's funnier is the elites likely already had their cure to begin with and they basically decided to say fuck all to anyone on the service, so they made the scientist and dr K work on a cure they already got so the elites effectively sacrificed everyone on the surface to save themselves and at that point them working on the cure they chose was doomed the minute they even started.
"No you don't understand! It's not latex, it's goo, latex is a mistranslation!"
>Show them the straight-up latex vacuum-bondage material in Changed
"Um...aah, how did you find this? You must be looking up this stuff on purpose! Pervert!"
Changed in a nutshell: Humanity cooks itself while dealing with a virus because they let a transformation fetish make a cure and ends up making things worse and you try to escape the aftermath of that while there are horny ahhh animals going after you.
To be honest, I don't find this to be THAT horrifying, it reminds me of carbonite freezing in star wars but I certainly find odd the origin of those pipes...
To be honest, I don't find this to be THAT horrifying, it reminds me of carbonite freezing in star wars but I certainly find odd the origin of those pipes...
it's horrifying in terms of the implications of what being in there could mean and it's also won't quite say it's like carbonitze freezing as it looks like the beings who were put in there either got sandwiched between too goo layers to well form that and alter them or similar stuff like that.
To be honest, I don't find this to be THAT horrifying, it reminds me of carbonite freezing in star wars but I certainly find odd the origin of those pipes...
I know one thing, it sure sucks in there. Furfags into this shit online don't really know about just how airtight this material is and how that's a genuinely unpleasant thing to wear. Your sweat and humidity has absolutely nowhere to go so it just stacks up. Being hung up in there for more than an hour would be a genuine form of torture and might have skin health consequences. Ever notice how your hands tend to feel strange, unpleasant and slightly wet after a few minutes of wearing protective cleaning gloves? Now imagine that you didn't have humid air leaving through the wrist section. Normal clothes don't have this problem because they're made of woven fibers so the humid air just passes through them, impeded but not obstructed.
Sorry if this sounds like rambling:
Honestly, I Feel like Games, like Changed, are a good example of why you need to plan your games out, and even more so if they involve Sexual themes and kinks as if you don't you get a case where even if it's unintentional you going to get understandably called out by people for having specific elements of said game being done wrong and what likely doesn't Dragonsnow either is as one user in that steam discussion puts it he likely don't get the culture difference between USA and similar countries in NA and well China and Japan(Especially Japan) where minors(or adults that look like them) being involved in the kind of situations Changed got going on is, of course, going to be seen as extremely weird and don't quite help either when regardless when most of your audience is people that are at best early high school age to straight up middle school age and said fetish game you made is finding its way onto games like Roblox and Minecraft games which are largely known to be played a lot by kids and a lot of devs for these said games turn out to either be groomers/pedos or extreme weridos at worst.
This also goes into the fact that the whole SFW Kink/fetish idea is self-questionable at best and not a good idea at worst as there is a reason why you don't see 16 years olds wearing kink gear but suppose that's not shocking given how Fetishes/Paraphilia's in the Furry Community are seen a lot more positively than in most fandoms and that in turn makes Changed a lot more likely to be viewed as a not bad thing even though there are some pretty clear reasons why the game is problematic not to mention the level of defense for Changed do not make sense as it's not like the Last of US part 2 and similar where at least you can argue there is some good things about the game while with Changed it doesn't take much to realize that game was made purely out of sexual and escapism reasons with very poor planning and a dev that at best is irresponsible and at worse is intentionally being malicious with their actions.
Overall holy cow is this game a dang enigma in terms of the amount of people defending it and also a lot of the events that happened with both it's dev and the community.
when you think about the entire game's premise regarding the cure part. the whole furry is the cure approach is probably the worst cure Idea I've seen in a long time
in a vision of this game where the plot isn't written in a fit of retardation, K would just be a full of shit misanthrope who is feeding you lies and likely may have been responsible for the plague
If I'm remembering correctly, there was an earlier version of the game where this was basically true. While the story was always trying to insist that the furries didn't have anything to do with humanity's demise, I remember an earlier version of the game all but stated that the whole lab was basically the furfags shoving kids into a "convert or die" death gauntlet for their own fetishistic amusement. While "K" always insisted that the virus just showed up out of nowhere, the lore bits you could find pretty much confirmed that he was full of shit and that the whole plague was started by furries. All this stuff about the riots and eldritch horrors and crap was added in later to try and make the furfags look morally justified.
And in a superior vision of this game, you should be able to kill him even if it means dying in the process. He deserves it. But the creator is on his side so he's going to be a gary stu somehow.
It's worth noting how K doesn't ever offer to allow Colin to keep his mind until after the human and Puro nearly kill his creepy ass. It's also noteworthy how a lot of scenes, particularly in older versions, show just how gleeful he is in breaking Colin's psyche, nor is there never any confirmation that Colin actually keeps his mind in the "best" ending, given how psychotic K is. Hell, it's not even confirmed whether "K" isn't some latex monster skinwalking as a scientist; it's confirmed that the latex monsters absorb the memories of people they assimilated, that "K" would've only been a toddler when the apocalypse happened, and that the other scientists explicitly never found a way for humans to keep their sense of self... so how is "K" keeping his?
(Granted, that last bit might've officially gotten retconned; a recent update confirmed that they found a way to safely combine humans and latex monsters in a symbiote relationship, with there being an interactive bit where you get to play as a human doing some tests with a trio of monsters. That just raises further questions, though...)
Which ties into the idea that the "story" we're getting in-game isn't really what happened; it's not exactly a new thing in furfag plots for them to try and pull the "unreliable narrator" bit to justify misanthrope shit. See: Puro killing/assimilating a guy in the best ending, which is just glossed over.
and what's funnier is the elites likely already had their cure to begin with and they basically decided to say fuck all to anyone on the service, so they made the scientist and dr K work on a cure they already got so the elites effectively sacrificed everyone on the surface to save themselves and at that point them working on the cure they chose was doomed the minute they even started.
There's a couple of lore bits about the elites, that paint one of two pictures; either A: they're a bunch of humans that're all stuck in bunkers that don't have a cure and are threatening to "punish" K if he can't find one, or B: the "elites" are the furfags gleefully watching the events of the game. Given how furry stories LOVE to portray the sex pests as the ones who secretly rule the planet, the second option is admittedly possible.
It's possible that they do know, actually; given some of the similar shit we see in-game, such as the "latex walls" and gargoyles, it's entirely possible that there's furfags that genuinely want it to happen because of sex reasons - typically to other people. There's been a rise of slob/filth, torture, and snuff fetishism in the fandom for a while now, if you guys didn't notice.
Really makes me want to see a game where the furries are the bad guys and we see just how horrifying they and there disturbing fetishes are and you are fighting to stop them.
Really makes me want to see a game where the furries are the bad guys and we see just how horrifying they and their disturbing fetishes are, and you are fighting to stop them.
Closest thing we got to that is probably Changed: Berserk, which is a fangame that has Colin waking up and choosing violence against the latex monsters - not sure about it, given that Dragonsnow apparently approves of it. Or you can do what the autist in my WoD group suggested and make Dr. K and his monsters into an antagonist in a tabletop game; never ran it - mostly because we could never figure out where to run the damn thing - but it sounded funny at least.
Closest thing we got to that is probably Changed: Berserk, which is a fangame that has Colin waking up and choosing violence against the latex monsters - not sure about it, given that Dragonsnow apparently approves of it. Or you can do what the autist in my WoD group suggested and make Dr. K and his monsters into an antagonist in a tabletop game; never ran it - mostly because we could never figure out where to run the damn thing - but it sounded funny at least.
Closest thing we got to that is probably Changed: Berserk, which is a fangame that has Colin waking up and choosing violence against the latex monsters - not sure about it, given that Dragonsnow apparently approves of it. Or you can do what the autist in my WoD group suggested and make Dr. K and his monsters into an antagonist in a tabletop game; never ran it - mostly because we could never figure out where to run the damn thing - but it sounded funny at least.
Sounds like that would be an interesting tabletop game Also what you said about Dr K comfirms my suspicion he's a lot more like a doctor Mercer type of character (basically a crazy one that wants to convert humanity into the Necromorphs) and he is saying this stuff to Colin more as a way of keeping him trapped rather than because Colin had the virus.
"Roll a constitution check to see if you resist the latex goo climbing up your leg."
"I rolled a ninetee--"
"FAILED! You are now a goo monster. Make a new character." (if you were going for the classic Changed experience)
There was a game like that a while back, actually; it was a Doom Eternal mod that had you playing as a soldier, murdering furries. Pretty sure it was called "Furry Apocalypse" or something; I think the project kinda petered out though.
To be fair, taking a potshot at someone makes for a fun one-off session, but doing an entire full-length plot with it out of spite just gets boring. At the risk of sounding like an autist, it's why me and my group have yet to really run the plot; yes, the latex monsters make for some VERY interesting antagonists - you should've seen some of the drunken shit my crew's come up with - but they're not really "fun" to go against for an entire campaign. We have to figure out how/where to set the entire plot up, since Changed's worldbuilding is beyond shit, and trying to make Dr. K and co. into compelling antagonists is frustrating, since they're all nothing but a bunch of 1D Fetish Sues. There's just no character to really work with.
The game's in this weird position where there's too much stuff to be covered in a single session, but not enough to make entertaining for more than a single go. Closest thing we got was a one-off of a group tracking Dr. K down to a marketplace in China, but it doesn't really cover all the shit that makes Changed so bad - the child trafficking, the cosmic horror cultshit, the bioweapon usage, etc. - so it feels like a waste, really.
The other option was making a parody like the autist mentioned, but... I'm not so sure about that. If anyone's curious, I'll tell, but...
"Roll a constitution check to see if you resist the latex goo climbing up your leg."
"I rolled a ninetee--"
"FAILED! You are now a goo monster. Make a new character." (if you were going for the classic Changed experience)
You forgot the gratuitous amounts of child rape, both physical and mental, which is lovingly described in the actual game. And yes, Colin is legally/literally getting raped in the actual game; the descriptions make it VERY clear that penetration is occurring, even if it doesn't "explicitly" say it is.
You're not wrong, but you'll have to forgive me for not wanting to write any of that shit into my dumb, offhand joke. I suppose an accurate Changed TTRPG should be played using the F.A.T.A.L. system.
Also what you said about Dr K comfirms my suspicion he's a lot more like a doctor Mercer type of character (basically a crazy one that wants to convert humanity into the Necromorphs) and he is saying this stuff to Colin more as a way of keeping him trapped rather than because Colin had the virus.
Yeah, the game/lore makes it clear that K doesn't really give a shit about Colin as a person; his gleefulness in the "tranfur" endings makes that fairly certain.
Actually, looking over some stuff I've found on TV Tropes, which does contain info from the Discord, it might actually be a case of self-preservation. The latest version of the game reveals that The Shelter - the elites of humanity - are in fact in contact with K, and that they're threatening to nuke him and the entire tower if the Pale Virus can't be stopped. Turns out, after "Tail" - the author's sergal fursona that destroyed humanity, for those that don't remember - broke out and killed everyone, they essentially carpet-nuked the surrounding area and actually successfully killed the damn thing. As of the current game, they're willing and capable of nuking the tower if K doesn't find a cure for the Virus; if Colin breaks out without getting "transfurred", then that's apparently what happens, as Colin's body is apparently capable of completely restarting the whole plague.
They're also not too thrilled about the latex monsters running around everywhere, and are demanding that K fix that issue as well; apparently, they want him to find a way of dealing with the "Core Queen", a massive bat/wolf black latex monster that's apparently the progenitor of the monsters, in hopes that they can at least call a cease-fire, if not kill the damn thing outright. And, you know, fixing up the whole "grey goo" scenario going on.
Bear in mind; The Shelter are supposed to be the REAL villains, apparently. Not the furfag sex monsters, but the humans desperate to survive an assimilation plot by the furfag sex monsters.
about the latex trio that @Scream Aim Fire mentioned, iirc, the "true" ending in the original version, mentioned there was a bio robot used by puro to assimilate, so I assume the one here is the bio robot? who knows. but that brings up a question, why do they have a bio robot in the first place? and why was it mentioned at the very end?
and about morally justified stuff mentioned, dr. K is painted as "anti-hero" in special edition, considering how he wants to "save the world" or something. but the way I see it, he comes off as nothing but really a poorly written character with badly executed motives.
there is also latex beasts who assimilate due to "instincts" and wanting to increase their life span (it's mentioned that they have really short life span without a host). now I'm not sure if my memory can serve me well but I've seen people saying that their "instincts" would go away and they'd have a full life once they assimilate a host. but I feel like this is not the case. one eaxmple I'm gonna use is the latex beast called "yuin" (according to wiki), where it's a whole mechanic is that it disguises itself as the checkpoint system being used to save the game, when colin gets close it, it assimilates like the rest.
however in one of the photosets, it shows how "yuin" was created and it showed that it assimilated someone before colin. so that would mean "yuin" wouldn't have to worry about short life span
so I have a feeling that they really don't have "instincts" and are really just selfish.
another thing about the justification stuff, in the changed wiki fandom. it tries to paint "tiger shark" as some misunderstood being according to the highlighted text.
considering that the wiki is made by the fans, this one is likely written by a fan to justify the "tiger shark".
