Inactive Elliot Rodger - The Supreme Gentleman

[maninthepicklesuit]

This is probably a re-tread of points already raised, but I don't want to go through 20 pages.

Deep down, humans are hard-wired to want to be loved by others. I'd wager that even the basement-dwellingest, neck-beardedest, pony-fuckingest wizard wants other humans to love him. However, the difference between a healthy desire for love and a malignant desire for love is one's expectations. Emotionally healthy people will not expect to be loved by anyone they want, and will accept that love sometimes just means acknowledging another person as a human being with independent thoughts and wishes. As lulzy as ponyfuckers are, at least they accept on some level that they're pretty worthless and lower their expectations of love accordingly, like maybe they accept that only their pony plush will love them or they settle for the internet acceptance of like-minded spergs. Instead of lowering his expectations or actually working to improve himself as a person, that shit-stain Elliot decided to blame others instead of re-evaluating himself. As Ovid once said, "to be loved, be lovable."

Forgive me if I come off as insensitive, but from any objective perspective, Elliot is someone who's had everything handed to him on a silver platter by his parents. If he couldn't garner the interest of even one vapid Southern California sorority girl with his BMW and his B-list Hollywood pedigree, he must have been the biggest loser in the world. It's as if he expected women to love him because they were obliged to do so due to his birthright or some shit.

When you boil it down to that, Elliot's inability to re-calibrate expectations to match reality, his shifting of blame to other parties, and his massive sense of entitlement begins to remind me of an unnamed gentleman we all know. With the obvious distinction, of course, that Elliot acted on it violently, while said unnamed gentleman will continue to shit himself and do nothing.

 

[Sweet and Savoury]

I dunno. You would think a trained analyst could pick up on the little behaviors. It's their job after all.

But I can see your point, he did fools the cops sent to check on him but I still feel the system failed us here.

He gave off so many warning signs but they all went unheeded and the result was 7 innocent people are now dead.

 

[Fapcup]

I'm also not very happy with the new banner. "Here Lies Elliot, He Never Scored." Really? I'm not trying to defend Elliot's actions but is this some kind of a joke? It looks to me more like something that goes beyond weenish and crosses straight over into tasteless! And calling this guy a lolcow? Why do we make threads about these kind of people? A guy who goes out and murders other people shouldn't be any laughing matter, and I'm sure you wouldn't laugh if you were on the receiving end. I thought that we had standards, guys...

Well, he's notorious. That's why he's being mentioned a lot in the media and here. It's far from being any kind of hero worshipping, it's just current events.

And as for whether it's funny, the fact that people lost their lives isn't funny at all.

What IS funny however, or what I find amusing in a golly-gee-maybe-there-is-karma-anyways-kinda way, is that he didn't find fame or infamy. Instead of being the laughing stock of his class, he became a national laughingstock, thanks to his cringeworthy, cartoon-villainous-like (complete with a ridiculous Muwuahaha laugh) video rant.

I hope there is an afterlife, where he can forever ponder the question that so tortured him. The question that's also on the mind of all the other basement dwelling narcissists. (Why do THEY get laid when I can't?!?) and an afterlife where he can spend an eternity BAAWWWWING over how people reacted with a smirk at his pathetic and cliche "I will be a GOD! I'll show them on my day of vengeance! I will make them quake with fear!".

I'm no expert, but if we ridicule people like this, are we really any better than news reporters who pin every killing on a mental illness or neurological disorder?

Well, while most murders are done by people without significant neurological disorders, the majority of mass killings have a perpetrator with a psychiatric diagnosis. That's just the world we live in.

 

[CWCissey]

Yup, even if he told them the truth they wouldn't understand it as they lacked his fabulous intellect.

Also, what if his therapist was a woman... Or black... Or a black woman...

'The evil therapist claims to want to get to know me. But she refuses to have sex, after my first session I ran straight to my room, slammed the door and cried on my bed, my salty tears drenched the pillow. So much for a Doctorate in psychology when she can't see how I am the ultimate alpha male, after all, I'm handsome, I have a BMW, I'm intelligent, witty, perfect.

She will pay on the day of reckoning. That slut. Damn her.'

 

[teheviltwin]

I dunno. You would think a trained analyst could pick up on the little behaviors. It's their job after all.

But I can see your point, he did fools the cops sent to check on him but I still feel the system failed us here.

He gave off so many warning signs but they all went unheeded and the result was 7 innocent people are now dead.

The big difference between a condition like mine (bipolar with hallucinations) and personality disorders in the lack of empathy corner (psychopathy/sociopathy/histrionic/narcissistic) is that I can't control how crazy I appear a lot of the time. They can and are known to be manipulative and even charming when they need to be. Maybe Elliot's sperglers stopped him from emoting enough to be charming but how in the hell would you tell the difference between the truth and a lie if he was an experienced liar? If he went in as the bullied autist who is misunderstood and never once mentioned his weird fantasies then I don't blame the therapist at all.

 

[Fapcup]

When you boil it down to that, Elliot's inability to re-calibrate expectations to match reality, his shifting of blame to other parties, and his massive sense of entitlement begins to remind me of an unnamed gentleman we all know. With the obvious distinction, of course, that Elliot acted on it violently, while said unnamed gentleman will continue to shit himself and do nothing.

There was especially one line in his video that reminded me of said gentleman. How "it's just not FAAAIR, that a perfect gentleman" like himself doesn't have a girlfriend.

The halfassed way he got his "day of retribution" also had echoes of the claw of fail, considering that when you listen to his video, he sounds as if he wants to poison the water supply of a major metropolitan area, or detonate a stolen nuke.

You forget how Elliott would consider himself as an even bigger fail than our friend though: At least OPL got laid...

 

[Sweet and Savoury]

I'm pretty sure Elliott would consider Chris to still be a Cultural Virgin.

 

[Pikimon]

Wtf is a cultural virgin

 

[KatsuKitty]

Wtf is a cultural virgin

Probably another SJW-type term MRAs came up with that means nothing at all.

 

[CWCissey]

Wtf is a cultural virgin

The very definition of having your cake and eating it.

 

[Sweet and Savoury]

Wtf is a cultural virgin

Sorry is a in-joke about Chris.

It means just because you had intercourse (ie you paid a hooker) it doesn't really count as losing your virginity because its more about the emotional level then just a physical act.

 

[slep]

A buddy of mine on steam read Elliot's manifesto and he had this to share from his readings of Elliot's manifesto:


Such entitlement Elliot shows, such racism.

He was born into a prestigious British family, lived in a picturesque English cottage and went to a private British elementary school (bet he even had the Hogwart's-like school uniforms to go with it), then moved to Hollywood and hung out at movie Premieres. He was a bona-fide Upper Class Twit, but without the huge cash reserves.

And then he got dropped straight into Southern California school culture. Nearly every school is ruled by cliques, but in California the cliques are the worst of the worst. In a local society driven by celebrity status where it's "who you know" and "who do you hang out with", these cliques really turn the knob up to 15. He was already feeling entitled, but the local culture compelling him to "be the Alpha Male" made it literally a life-and-death struggle to him.

It's places like S. California that make me glad for Global Warming because these coastal ratholes will be underwater 100 years from now. I've been to S. California. It's a horrible, overrated place that needs to be erased off the map one way or another.

 

[Fapcup]

A "cultural virgin" is a concept that basement dwellings weens came up with, to explain the fact that Chris got laid, and they still haven't. It basically means: " Technically not a virgin anymore, but godamnit he cheated!"

 

[Artard]

A buddy of mine on steam read Elliot's manifesto and he had this to share from his readings of Elliot's manifesto:


Such entitlement Elliot shows, such racism.

He actually takes a job at one point that someone had procured for him. He showed up and found out it was janitorial work. Elliot stuck around for a few hours and then quit because it was so far beneath him, and this was the last and only job he ever "worked".

I dunno. You would think a trained analyst could pick up on the little behaviors. It's their job after all.

But I can see your point, he did fools the cops sent to check on him but I still feel the system failed us here.

He gave off so many warning signs but they all went unheeded and the result was 7 innocent people are now dead.

The system -- in terms of the police -- has a limited array of tools here. "Is he an immediate danger to himself or others?" is basically the first and last question on their checklist.

In terms of psychiatry, we're still finding out details and probably won't have a complete picture for awhile.

My guess -- it's only a guess -- is that his family & therapists knew he was worryingly anti-social, but he hadn't been violent.

His father tried to send him abroard, maybe to shake him up, and then cut him out of his life entirely when Elliot was, I think, 17 -- the guy doesn't seem like he made that decision easily -- before reconciling a couple of years later. We're not told the precise circumstances of the estrangement by Elliot. Later, when he was in Isla Vista, his parents hired "social" counselors that Elliot referred to as "paid friends" to try to help him socially. These were kids a little bit older than him who would talk to him and try to help him. Elliot mentions that his mother had really tired of Elliot living with her as well.

My feeling is that these people -- parents, therapists, etc -- realized shit was really wrong with him, but he'd never been violent at all. To us, Elliot is this kid that won't fucking shut up and can't stop whining in this massive 140 page memoir and insane monologues in his videos. But I've seen it mentioned a few times that Elliot was a quiet kid that would show up when people were partying and wouldn't say a word.

I'm guessing that everyone that knew him is torturing themselves with regret right now.

 

[teheviltwin]

He was born into a prestigious British family, lived in a picturesque English cottage and went to a private British elementary school (bet he even had the Hogwart's-like school uniforms to go with it), then moved to Hollywood and hung out at movie Premieres. He was a bona-fide Upper Class Twit, but without the huge cash reserves.

And then he got dropped straight into Southern California school culture. Nearly every school is ruled by cliques, but in California the cliques are the worst of the worst. In a local society driven by celebrity status where it's "who you know" and "who do you hang out with", these cliques really turn the knob up to 15. He was already feeling entitled, but the local culture compelling him to "be the Alpha Male" made it literally a life-and-death struggle to him.

It's places like S. California that make me glad for Global Warming because these coastal ratholes will be underwater 100 years from now. I've been to S. California. It's a horrible, overrated place that needs to be erased off the map one way or another.

Although, you'd think fagging would absolutely prepare him for hazing. I thought he moved when he was 5 do the weird cliques start that early?

He came across as a try hard middle class twit to me.

Your post also reminded me of this song:

I <3 Keenan

 

[slep]

And of course, the right wing Derp sites are blaming this all on Liberalism.

http://americanthinker.com/2014/05/the_twisted_world_of_elliot_rodger.html

 

[Fapcup]

There is one place in Elliot's whinyfesto, where the sperg is strong, and is equally parts lulz and wut...

Where he gets beaten up at a party, and goes home pondering the injustice of him not having a girlfriend: "not one girl offered to help me as I stumbled home with a broken leg! beaten and bloody. If girls had been attracted to me, they would have offered to walk me to my room and take care of me. They would even have offered to sleep with me, to make me feel better. But no, not one girl showed even an ounce of concern for me."

 

[The Knife]

And of course, the right wing Derp sites are blaming this all on Liberalism.

http://americanthinker.com/2014/05/the_twisted_world_of_elliot_rodger.html

Fox New speculated that Rodger was secretly gay and upset because female JERKS were taking away all the pretty boys, leaving him with none to choose from: http://gawker.com/fox-news-wonders-about-ucsb-shooter-s-homosexual-impul-1581412307

 

[Alec Benson Leary]

Fox New speculated that Rodger was secretly gay and upset because female JERKS were taking away all the pretty boys, leaving him with none to choose from: http://gawker.com/fox-news-wonders-about-ucsb-shooter-s-homosexual-impul-1581412307

Thanks, Fox News. Way to shine light on what's truly important here.

 

[darkhorse816]

Watching that video, the way he talked, he acted like he was some super-villain. Like he saw his life like a movie. That's how delusional he was. It's so chilling that people like that actually exist. Sometimes I fear for our future, and people like this make the fear stronger.