Inactive Elliot Rodger - The Supreme Gentleman

[spaps]

Here is a quote from him



You still don't think culture had nothing to do with this?

I am a person who is diagnosed with a mental illness and I am sick and tired of every time there is a shooting spree that everyone goes to blame mental illness when there is no proof that the shooter was even mentally ill.

Culture and being a piece of shit can have a role in a person going on a shooting spree.

I'm not saying that culture had nothing to do with it. You don't just say one day, 'you know, I feel like shooting up the town today.' Mass murderers are usually mentally ill and get triggered by something. Misogynist culture clearly triggered Elliot's rampage.

 

[cypocryphy]

Call me crazy but I think this guy might've been retarded.

 

[Alec Benson Leary]

I'm not saying that culture had nothing to do with it. You don't just say one day, 'you know, I feel like shooting up the town today.' Mass murderers are usually mentally ill and get triggered by something. Misogynist culture clearly triggered Elliot's rampage.

I wonder why school shootings are common like this now. It wasn't a frequent occurrence before Columbine. So what changed? Why are these ragey little shits more willing to act on violence now than twenty years ago?

 

[Anonimo]

I am a person who is diagnosed with a mental illness and I am sick and tired of every time there is a shooting spree that everyone goes to blame mental illness when there is no proof that the shooter was even mentally ill.

Culture and being a piece of shit can have a role in a person going on a shooting spree.

This ^

I was talking with my mom about this yesterday and I wasn't happy with the way the media handled it. Elliot was someone who went out murdering other people because he chose to, not because some mental disorder magically put the thought in his head.

I'm also not very happy with the new banner. "Here Lies Elliot, He Never Scored." Really? I'm not trying to defend Elliot's actions but is this some kind of a joke? It looks to me more like something that goes beyond weenish and crosses straight over into tasteless! And calling this guy a lolcow? Why do we make threads about these kind of people? A guy who goes out and murders other people shouldn't be any laughing matter, and I'm sure you wouldn't laugh if you were on the receiving end. I thought that we had standards, guys...

I'm no expert, but if we ridicule people like this, are we really any better than news reporters who pin every killing on a mental illness or neurological disorder?

 

[AtroposHeart]

I wonder why school shootings are common like this now. It wasn't a frequent occurrence before Columbine. So what changed? Why are these ragey little shits more willing to act on violence now than twenty years ago?

You know people have blamed video games, movies, comic books, and tv. However, I have one offering.

Internet.

No, I am not saying the internet is causing this, or that the internet is bad. Hear me out. The internet gives people accesses to echo chambers that reinforces their own ideas and beliefs, and often makes it worse. Look at loveshy sites, pick up artist sites, and wizard forums. If you are socially isolated and the only places you go to for social interaction are these forums...what do you think is going to happen?

One of the first things that police search for in killers is their browser history think about that.

 

[Alec Benson Leary]

I'm also not very happy with the new banner. "Here Lies Elliot, He Never Scored." Really? I'm not trying to defend Elliot's actions but is this some kind of a joke? It looks to me more like something that goes beyond weenish and crosses straight over into tasteless! And calling this guy a lolcow? Why do we make threads about these kind of people? A guy who goes out and murders other people shouldn't be any laughing matter, and I'm sure you wouldn't laugh if you were on the receiving end.

I don't think it's disrespectful to talk about him in this board. It's been pretty clear in the whole thread that no one really finds these events funny.

But you know what? I'll say there is at least one reason to ridicule him. Disrespecting him, particularly with stuff like the "he never scored" gif... well, I think it calls attention to a fact that very much needs to be illustrated, especially for anyone that feels like he may not have been entirely wrong, and that fact is this: For all his revenge fantasies, for all the damage and loss he caused, for all the attention he's now getting in the media, he never got a single thing he wanted. He never got a girl and he never got people to like his repugnant personality. He wanted to prove he wasn't a loser, instead he proved he was. He killed people because he was a piece of shit, but where it counts, he lived and died powerless. Proving you can kill innocents doesn't make you anything.

That's kind of how I see it, does anyone agree? Or disagree? I know this is a sensitive topic but I feel strongly that he did not earn being called a somebody when he deliberately lived his life as a nobody.

 

[spaps]

I should also mention that Elliot was actually seeing therapists at the time, implying some kind of mental/social disorder.

http://www.cbc.ca/m/touch/world/story/1.2653517

I can't seem to paste text on mobile, so I'm just posting the whole article. Just scroll down a bit.

 

[KatsuKitty]

There was an article I saw where Elliot frequented some message boards much like this one where the theme was Child Molester (Pick-Up Artists), and Anti Pick-Up Artists (who talk about all of the rip off con artists trying to sell books/videos on how to score ladies). The Antis are split amongst calling Elliot a Hero or a Douchebag, and the Child Molester board is actually trying to exploit this tragedy for financial gain by going "Elliot would have scored a hot babe and never have gone on his killing spree if only he had bought our DVDs on how to pick up hot chicks! NOW ON SALE!". IMO, the PUAs have to be even lower than the Westborough Baptist Church for trying to exploit a tragedy. At least the WBC isn't trying to make money off the corpses of murdered people. F*cking ghoulish!

for those who don't know, "P.U.A" without the dots is wordbuttered to "Child Molester"

 

[DX10]

That's kind of how I see it, does anyone agree? Or disagree? I know this is a sensitive topic but I feel strongly that he did not earn being called a somebody when he deliberately lived his life as a nobody.

You've pretty much hit the nail on the head. In a surprising antithesis of the usual anti-hero characterization of mass shooters, the mass-media coverage of his pathetic and narcissistic ramblings has cemented the identity of Rodger as a complete and total bell-end, which I think is a good thing.

On another note, his spree was obviously a horrific tragedy and I don't need to illustrate that it was Not A Good Thing™, I think it's a very interesting exposure of this type of mindset to the public identity. Usually this type of person smoulders in their downward spiral until they die or take their own life, and rarely do they turn outward like this, which means this kind of issue isn't in the public eye most of the time.

Scary how people can stoop when all they have is the echo chamber of their own views.

 

[Null]

for those who don't know, "P.U.A" without the dots is wordbuttered to "Child Molester"

I'll remove this.

 

[Grand Number of Pounds]

Violent crime rates are actually the lowest they've been in a few decades and are down 50% what they were 20 years ago. There's always been a lot of violence in the US, but it's happened long before the internet. The most violent period in American history was 1870-1910, long before TV, vidya, the internet or even radio.

 

[Artard]

Call me crazy but I think this guy might've been retarded.

He sounds like the kind of guy that is "intelligent but unaccomplished". Since everyone is a fucking FBI profiler that's certainly what we'll get.

But his academics are actually worse than Chris'. He did... something to be forced to leave a private school, went to a public school for a short time and then went to a "continuation" high school, which was notable in that it allowed him to play Warcraft all day.

I am a person who is diagnosed with a mental illness and I am sick and tired of every time there is a shooting spree that everyone goes to blame mental illness when there is no proof that the shooter was even mentally ill.

Culture and being a piece of shit can have a role in a person going on a shooting spree.

No offense but the guy was diagnosed, saw therapists his entire life, was prescribed an anti-psychotic a few months before this happened (which he never took) and had a long history of it. There's not "no proof". There's "tons of proof".

I'd like to point out though that ... you know the whole "nurture vs. nature" debate? Science has come around to believe that it's completely irrelevant. There are things in one's environment which can bring out things in a person which would remain dormant in another. Genetics and environment are constantly interacting with each other. You're not wrong about what you're calling "culture", yeah it has a definite role, but mental illness does too. I think that's a given now.

 

[AtroposHeart]

No offense but the guy was diagnosed, saw therapists his entire life, was prescribed an anti-psychotic a few months before this happened (which he never took) and had a long history of it. There's not "no proof". There's "tons of proof".

I'd like to point out though that ... you know the whole "nurture vs. nature" debate? Science has come around to believe that it's completely irrelevant. There are things in one's environment which can bring out things in a person which would remain dormant in another. Genetics and environment are constantly interacting with each other. You're not wrong about what you're calling "culture", yeah they have a definite role, but mental illness did. I think that's a given now.

I now understand that. I guess I letting my frustration with the media always linking mental illness to violence (when in reality mentally ill people are most often the victims of violence instead of the perpetrators) than doing research

Mental illness did play a role, that is a fact, but I feel that many are ignoring culture in this and how some subcultures carry extremely negative views of women and recruit impressionable socially isolated men into them

This is how I see it.

The mental illness was the gasoline, but culture was the flame

 

[Sweet and Savoury]

I took the time to read his last note.

He was a narcissistic psychopath in every way.

How his therapist missed this is beyond me and he should take the full blame that Elliot was allowed to free roam the streets.

 

[Fapcup]

This ^

I was talking with my mom about this yesterday and I wasn't happy with the way the media handled it. Elliot was someone who went out murdering other people because he chose to, not because some mental disorder magically put the thought in his head.

It's a very fine line there. How much do you own your choices, if they're the result of a mental illness. It's hard to say without a lot more information than we do have.

And clearly in this case, (at least it seems like) his own free will is more to blame, than when a schizophrenic kills a random stranger cause the voices in his head told him it would prevent World War 3.

But I strongly doubt it's something he would have done without one or several psychiatric disorders affecting him.

There's a big grey area between "sane" "insane" "evil" and "good", and it's somewhere in this area that we find Elliott. As an example: Isla Vista had another crazed killer strike in 2001. David Attias killed 4 people with his car, and afterwards yelled about that he was death incarnate.

He was found not guilty due to insanity, and was released last year. Was that the wrong call? Who the hell knows.

 

[teheviltwin]

I wonder why school shootings are common like this now. It wasn't a frequent occurrence before Columbine. So what changed? Why are these ragey little shits more willing to act on violence now than twenty years ago?

I think that having the constant reinforcement of like minded individuals that the internet supplies is one reason for an increase. The other one for me would be weird/lazy parenting. I regularly see parents ignoring their kids because their attention is glued to their iphone. Been to homes where they just park their kids in front of the tv and leave them there for hours on end.

Parental bonding within the first 3 years is, imho, the most important thing for empathy. It makes a lot of sense to me from a survival point of view. If you can't rely on your family then having empathy will not help you survive if you need to compete with them for food/resources.

 

[c-no]

A buddy of mine on steam read Elliot's manifesto and he had this to share from his readings of Elliot's manifesto:

"I continued searching for a job, but I still wasn't able to find one. I refused all of the jobs that Tony suggested to me. The problem was that most of the jobs that were available to me at the time were jobs I considered to be beneath me. My mother wanted me to get a simple retail job, and the thought of myself doing that was mortifying. It would be completely against my character. I am an intellectual who is destined for greatness. I would never perform a low-class service job"

"How could an inferior, ugly black boy be able to get a white girl and not me? I am beautiful, and I am half white myself. I am descended from British aristocracy. He is descended from slaves. I deserve it more. I tried not to believe his foul worlds, but they were already said, and it was hard to erase from my mind. If this is actually true, if this ugly black filth was able to have sex with a blonde white girl at the age of thirteen while I've had to suffer virginity all my life, then this just proves how ridiculous the female gender is. They would give themselves to this filthy scum, but they reject ME? The injustice"

Such entitlement Elliot shows, such racism.

 

[teheviltwin]

I took the time to read his last note.

He was a narcissistic psychopath in every way.

How his therapist missed this is beyond me and he should take the full blame that Elliot was allowed to free roam the streets.

All he would have to do is learn to say the right things. It's really difficult to tell what is going on if someone is an accomplished liar. I have never known it to be a normal part of therapy to google your patients. Hindsight is super awesome but manipulative little gits can easily get around the mental health system. Especially if they are articulate.

 

[Alec Benson Leary]

All he would have to do is learn to say the right things. It's really difficult to tell what is going on if someone is an accomplished liar. I have never known it to be a normal part of therapy to google your patients. Hindsight is super awesome but manipulative little gits can easily get around the mental health system. Especially if they are articulate.

Yeah. This monster "knew" in his head that he was right, and the rest of the world was so wrong and stupid, why bother even telling them the truth? May as well play along with their fantasies like "black people shouldn't be slaves".

 

[teheviltwin]

Yeah. This monster "knew" in his head that he was right, and the rest of the world was so wrong and stupid, why bother even telling them the truth? May as well play along with their fantasies like "black people shouldn't be slaves".

Yup, even if he told them the truth they wouldn't understand it as they lacked his fabulous intellect.

Also, what if his therapist was a woman... Or black... Or a black woman...