Inactive Elliot Rodger - The Supreme Gentleman

[Cwckifan]

In a sense, he's in the right ballpark, but has it completely reversed. Elliot did what he did because he was a massive tool who believed whatever standards Hollywood spoon-fed him.


Yeah, suddenly the scorn and disapproval they've been imagining for so long might actually become real. Wonder how they'll deal with that.

Not all things die when they have shit thrown at them; flowers grow in it, after all

 

[Alec Benson Leary]

Not all things die when they have shit thrown at them; flowers grow in it, after all

Flowers are a hearty form of life. Loveshies are whiny babies who spend their lives inventing fake problems because they're too sheltered to appreciate that they don't have real ones. There's a difference.

The FBI has a really fun practice of classifying groups as terrorist organizations. If you see someone acting like Elliott, report them to the centralized bureau. Getting vanned with some jail time would be good for them.

What's already annoying me is that I have friends I've tried to tell about loveshies, and they would look at me strangely and say "why do you bother looking at these people?" ...now, those same friends are all up in arms that the loveshy army must be stopped before they exterminate women, or something. Reactionary people who want any answer they can take for Elliot's actions and are going to end up with the wrong one because it's too difficult to look at Elliot's more peculiar brand of insanity.

And frankly, as someone who has been scorned by crazies for years for being part of a "dangerous" group - video game players - and because of school shootings, the same reason loveshies are going to get shit now! - I'm not eager to see anyone vanned over this.

Loveshies are generally harmless for the same reason we mock them in the first place: Because they're gigantic pussies. I'm just pissed that people aren't going to examine the real cause and instead point at scapegoats and say "Aha!" to make themselves feel better.

 

[StallChaser]

I saw an article maybe 6 months ago that went into how crazy people don't kill people. Pissed off people do. Whether there's a rational basis in the anger is another story... I couldn't find it again, but I found a few others. In the interest of not having just links to stupid outrage factories like Fox News that blame everything except what really matters, here are some sane articles I found:

People who commit acts of violence lack impulse control. Note that the impulse is almost always anger.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/anger-management-self-control/

Psychology of mass murderers. One important thing is that the rate hasn't changed. People just think the world is going crazy because they're reported all the time, so you hear about them more. Also, "The mass murderer has festering 'real or imagined grievances, frustrations, disappointments, and outrages done to him by others over a long period of time'" sounds a lot like Elliot.
http://www.drtomoconnor.com/4050/4050lect07.htm

So yeah. He fit the profile of a mass murderer. It's not just about insanity in general, but anger at the world, complete lack of empathy, and lack of impulse control.

 

[A-Stump]

If you're advocating violence against people in a steady and increasingly alarming manner, you need help. Don't report someone to the FBI for complaining they can't get a girlfriend, report them for making death threats and acting like psychopaths. Whether or not you mean it, saying you have ambitions to murder people and constantly building upon these ambitions probably means you need to checked out by professionals.

 

[DrChristianTroy]

And frankly, as someone who has been scorned by crazies for years for being part of a "dangerous" group - video game players - and because of school shootings, the same reason loveshies are going to get shit now! - I'm not eager to see anyone vanned over this.

I listened to metal, played video games and watched violent movies in high school post-Columbine. I thank the lord every day I'm not in Gitmo.

 

[ChurchOfGodBear]

Just gotta say this...

This guy gets no fucking sympathy from me at all. None. Being a virgin, even if not by choice, is not a problem in life. You had a college education, a decent car, and a life in one of the most affluent areas ON THE GOD DAMN PLANET and you're (literally) crying because you can't get laid? Yeah, there is not an ounce of sympathy in me for that. It's pretty clear the reason this guy couldn't have sex was because he oozed patheticness and creepiness every waking moment.

I did without sex for quite a while, by choice, for various personal reasons. It didn't cause me to enjoy life any less at all, and when I did start having sex, life didn't suddenly get any better. Sex is something you enjoy in the moment, it doesn't have the power to improve your life as a whole... especially if your biggest problem is that you're a giant pile of shit.

I'm sorry if this asshole had mental problems, I don't wish that burden on anyone... but it's VERY clear he had the resources to seek help for that, rather than stalk people, try to assault them, and eventually go on a shooting spree. Fuck you, Elliot. Not only did you have zero REAL problems in life, you had ample opportunities to deal with the one actual monkey on your back, and you opted not to.

Now I'm going to go back to my life of living paycheck to paycheck earned from an underperforming degree... and having sex whenever I damn well want.

 

[Artard]

I saw an article maybe 6 months ago that went into how crazy people don't kill people. Pissed off people do. Whether there's a rational basis in the anger is another story... I couldn't find it again, but I found a few others. In the interest of not having just links to stupid outrage factories like Fox News that blame everything except what really matters, here are some sane articles I found:

People who commit acts of violence lack impulse control. Note that the impulse is almost always anger.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/anger-management-self-control/

Psychology of mass murderers. One important thing is that the rate hasn't changed. People just think the world is going crazy because they're reported all the time, so you hear about them more. Also, "The mass murderer has festering 'real or imagined grievances, frustrations, disappointments, and outrages done to him by others over a long period of time'" sounds a lot like Elliot.
http://www.drtomoconnor.com/4050/4050lect07.htm

So yeah. He fit the profile of a mass murderer. It's not just about insanity in general, but anger at the world, complete lack of empathy, and lack of impulse control.

That's really interesting. There are a lot of issues relating to mental health and capital crimes; really it's troubling to think about them.

The "insanity defense"as it was mentioned earlier isn't a useful filter between the sane/insane -- it's a form of compassion for people who do not understand right/wrong, law/crime, etc. You can be clinically insane and competent to stand trial.

The issue is often in the "mitigating factors", they're called, that a jury takes into account when deciding between capital murder and 2nd or 3rd degree murder, and thus between execution and a jail sentence with the likelihood of parole. And that basically comes down to effective (read: private) counsel. A middle-aged businessman who murdered his wife because he feared the financial implications of a divorce is more likely to have "mitigating factors" like mental health issues taken into account than an 18 year old that fired into a building and hit someone. As the folk song has it, "the rich man never gets the chair".

 

[c-no]

Elliot was his own brand of crazy, and like several others have said, he basically found an echo chamber on the net that pretty much validated him and the 'pain' of his 'virginity affliction'. What bothers me, aside from the fact this happened and six innocents were killed, was this article I was reading earlier about this fellow who basically said that "more people will die if you don't let us have girlfriends!" Not sure about the article's legitimacy, but if it's true, then sweet buttery jesus...

By the way, I wonder if the media has decided video games are to blame yet? If they haven't, this must be some sort of record. (It totally won't last, though.)

Considering his ego and what not, Elliot is his own brand of crazy.

Okay, how about we all cut out the "why do you want a So-Cal genocide?"-faggotry, hmmm?

I dont know if you deserve to perish, maybe you do, maybe you don't...

But I'm preetty sure that the point of his post wasn't literally that he can't wait till millions of people in California die.

Could it perchance be, that he was merely writing about his dislike of Southern California in a sarcastic and caustic way? And doesn't in fact want all Californians to die?

I think that might be the case here!

Seriously guys, do you also start to inquire about permits, and what kind of ammunition he used, when somebody writes how you shouldn't sell the fur before you have shot the bear?

If the post was indeed sarcastic, then some such as myself may of taken it too seriously. As for inquiring about permits and ammo used, one would wonder if he legally owned the guns or if he actually got them off the black market. Regardless, Elliot's rampage becomes ammo for anti-gun lobbyist as A-Stump said.

 

[Artard]

What's already annoying me is that I have friends I've tried to tell about loveshies, and they would look at me strangely and say "why do you bother looking at these people?" ...now, those same friends are all up in arms that the loveshy army must be stopped before they exterminate women, or something. Reactionary people who want any answer they can take for Elliot's actions and are going to end up with the wrong one because it's too difficult to look at Elliot's more peculiar brand of insanity.

And frankly, as someone who has been scorned by crazies for years for being part of a "dangerous" group - video game players - and because of school shootings, the same reason loveshies are going to get shit now! - I'm not eager to see anyone vanned over this.

Loveshies are generally harmless for the same reason we mock them in the first place: Because they're gigantic pussies. I'm just pissed that people aren't going to examine the real cause and instead point at scapegoats and say "Aha!" to make themselves feel better.

Look at how many people have done the i haven't read dis thread and imma let you finish but elliot is a rich fukker and im better than him.

The brain is really weird. It craves solutions to problems. If you believe in the Zeigarnik Effect, it doesn't even want you to relax if you've started a task but left it unfinished. It wants a simple-to-understand "solution" to this (and one interesting enough that it could carry a 1 hour episode of Law & Order too, please).

Here you have a guy that was emotionally, if not mentally, disturbed from a very young age; bought into the trappings of the worst of American conspicuous consumption; never saw the rewards and picked up this diseased "loveshy" mentality to explain it. It's weird, and it's not something that can be "solved" to any satisfaction. People want that satisfaction and the Law & Order episode.

But what I find weirder than the reactionaries ... are the people who are buying into that same superficial status symbolism that Elliot did.

"He had a nice car WHY WASN'T HE HAPPY?" As if BMWs have factory-installed Happiness Nozzles that emit a Happy Gas that owners of lesser examples of precision German engineering could never obtain.

"His dad was in the movies, therefore my hick mentality says he's rich, god I'd be fine with that lol". This is the same mentality Elliot had, except he thought vaginas and the admiration of his peers would fall out of the glove compartment.

So tl;dr -- Fuck brains and fuck Americans. Fuck Law & Order too while you're at it.

 

[Duke Nukem]

Considering his ego and what not, Elliot is his own brand of crazy.


If the post was indeed sarcastic, then some such as myself may of taken it too seriously. As for inquiring about permits and ammo used, one would wonder if he legally owned the guns or if he actually got them off the black market. Regardless, Elliot's rampage becomes ammo for anti-gun lobbyist as A-Stump said.

The irony is that he used knives to kill more than he did with the pistols. Where are all the anti-knife lobbyists?

 

[c-no]

The irony is that he used knives to kill more than he did with the pistols. Where are all the anti-knife lobbyists?

One thing I can say. As much as how the guns are lethal compared to a knife in terms of range, Elliot would still kill someone. He has the blade plus he could of used his car to run people over. Really, someone is bound to die in his rampage (the only victim he could had would be himself even if he didn't go through with killing others) unless he was somehow stopped and arrested, either before the rampage or during the rampage.

 

[teheviltwin]

The irony is that he used knives to kill more than he did with the pistols. Where are all the anti-knife lobbyists?

Well I tried using a 9mm to chop vegetables but I had to buy a new chopping board.

 

[Daario Naharis]

Quick question, sorry if it is mentioned in other threads, is anyone following/aware of the Loveshy/Wizard reaction to Elliots day of reckoning?

 

[Cwckifan]

Flowers are a hearty form of life. Loveshies are whiny babies who spend their lives inventing fake problems because they're too sheltered to appreciate that they don't have real ones. There's a difference.

Au contraire, few things are more resilient than entitlement and the victimhood mentality

 

[Alec Benson Leary]

But what I find weirder than the reactionaries ... are the people who are buying into that same superficial status symbolism that Elliot did.

"He had a nice car WHY WASN'T HE HAPPY?" As if BMWs have factory-installed Happiness Nozzles that emit a Happy Gas that owners of lesser examples of precision German engineering could never obtain.

I think it's a fair point to bring up because his whole schtick was that he had no ability to attract the women he wanted, when in fact he had almost every tool imaginable. He just didn't want to have to do any work.

 

[teheviltwin]

Au contraire, few things are more resilient than entitlement and the victimhood mentality

Until it actually meets victimisation. If Rebecca Watson was actually going to be stoned for spouting her vile bullshit she'd conform in a heartbeat.

 

[Cwckifan]

Until it actually meets victimisation. If Rebecca Watson was actually going to be stoned for spouting her vile bullshit she'd conform in a heartbeat.

Oh? she wouldn't embrace her martyrdom so as to validate her worldview?

 

[Duke Nukem]

Well I tried using a 9mm to chop vegetables but I had to buy a new chopping board.

You forgot to fix the bayonet first. By the way, that sounds like something Homer would do. Ever see their episode The Cartridge Family?

That being said, I use my shotgun to plant flowers.

 

[teheviltwin]

Oh? she wouldn't embrace her martyrdom so as to validate her worldview?

It is a possibility but I see it as being a pretty remote one. She is a monumental hypocrite. If she was to find herself in a situation that required more strength of character than whining on a blog she'd bail in an instant. We are discussing a woman who left youtube because people said mean things to her and still blocks comments and even ratings.

 

[c-no]

You forgot to fix the bayonet first. By the way, that sounds like something Homer would do. Ever see their episode The Cartridge Family?

That being said, I use my shotgun to plant flowers.

Does the bayonet attachment require a waiting period? Also using shotgun shells to plant flowers? Now that is one way to make use of something for the enviroment