Epic! 8-bitguy uses 1 weird trick to detroy rare prototypes!

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Same, but he hasn’t even really been doing Mac stuff lately. Honestly, neither have a few other channels I can think of. If I wanted to learn video editing/rent an office for filming I could probably do it because I’m starving for content out here.
A farmer making tech content would be a great change of pace compared to contemporary soyboys we have today (e.g. ncommander crying about rms, cathode ray dude simping over his tranny boyfriend, windowsGelectronics...well, doing troon shit). If you go about this def show your first vid on the thread and try and get crunklord to join as well sometime too.
 
A farmer making tech content would be a great change of pace compared to contemporary soyboys we have today (e.g. ncommander crying about rms, cathode ray dude simping over his tranny boyfriend, windowsGelectronics...well, doing troon shit). If you go about this def show your first vid on the thread and try and get crunklord to join as well sometime too.
If I did it I would never reveal I was a farmer. People are too dox-happy nowadays.

Also, non-potato cameras/lights cost an assload. Apparently iPhones can look good recording? Mine never has.
 
If I did it I would never reveal I was a farmer. People are too dox-happy nowadays.

Also, non-potato cameras/lights cost an assload. Apparently iPhones can look good recording? Mine never has.
Just don't ever show your face. shrimple as
 
A farmer making tech content would be a great change of pace compared to contemporary soyboys we have today (e.g. ncommander crying about rms, cathode ray dude simping over his tranny boyfriend, windowsGelectronics...well, doing troon shit). If you go about this def show your first vid on the thread and try and get crunklord to join as well sometime too.
For a second I thought you meant an ACTUAL farmer doing tech stuff, like Billy Bob programming his C64 as an automated livestock feeder or something.
 
A farmer making tech content would be a great change of pace compared to contemporary soyboys we have today (e.g. ncommander crying about rms, cathode ray dude simping over his tranny boyfriend, windowsGelectronics...well, doing troon shit). If you go about this def show your first vid on the thread and try and get crunklord to join as well sometime too.
>ncommander
last time i saw anything by his, he looked so bad. surprised that he's okay (in the relative term? still waiting on the troonout, honestly)
 
I left behind any retro online communities because these people are just consoomers that absolutely do not give a fuck about anything retro but just want to buy expensive and rare things because they're expensive and rare. That's like 90% of these people. I can understand that the usefulness of an e.g. Amiga 500 is kinda limited in 2024 and you can only play some of these games that often and you also won't make one your daily driver but it's pathetic if you don't know simple user things like formatting a harddrive and installing must-have patches and tools, but still insist on buying a $400 (or whatever they cost now) FPGA accelerator and a $300 special designed case for it. That's all these people do, buy stuff. That's where that excitement about new old computers comes from, not because they'll do anything with it, but because it's a new thing they can buy.

I myself sit on a heap of this garbage because I started collecting when it was junk and even have things I'm not even sure are documented anywhere, like 24 bit color framebuffers from some random french engineering company for OCS/ECS systems but I at least know what that stuff does and how to make it work.
 
>ncommander
last time i saw anything by his, he looked so bad. surprised that he's okay (in the relative term? still waiting on the troonout, honestly)
He's close. If you go to his fediverse he now goes by they/them. Oh by the way if you don't know already he owns the imageboard kotchan. Its pretty cool cuz it uses a function known as livechan meaning that its basically like an irc chat in the format of an imageboard.

I’ll think about it. I’ve got other projects I’ve been pursuing in the meantime.
It'd totally beat the coonsoomer nu male bullshit we have nowdays

I left behind any retro online communities because these people are just consoomers that absolutely do not give a fuck about anything retro but just want to buy expensive and rare things because they're expensive and rare.
Itsnot even about rarity with them, its basically about how they can get money out of any old device by giving it noteriety on their network of shows. If you don't believe me look up shit like the iopener and see how their prices skyrocketed after mjd, action retro, and several others covered the device. This isn't even a new phenomenon either...if you remember it actually all started with techmoan and what people deemed online as the "techmoan effect" . He denied that his reviews had any change in internet prices of devices and several other youtubers around the same time coincidentally said the same thing too.
 
I left behind any retro online communities because these people are just consoomers that absolutely do not give a fuck about anything retro but just want to buy expensive and rare things because they're expensive and rare. That's like 90% of these people.
This is very true, and it's frustrating when you meet someone who is into this niche hobby, and it turns out that they're one of the collectors who just buy and put on a shelf. Wooooow, that's great you have 4 SE/30s. Did you take the clock batteries out? "Wait, what's a clock battery?"
Thing is, that's most kinds of collections. Most people who collect, collect to have, not use. Coin collectors don't spend their coins. Sneakerheads don't wear all their shoes. Makeup hoarders don't use all their makeup.

Vintage computers are kind of an oddball hobby (and kind of like car collecting) because using them actually keeps them healthy and functional. If you let them sit, they die. I suppose the exception to this is CRTs taking on hours of wear and stress on the flyback transformer, but whatever. They still run for 40+ years of periodic use.
I actively try to fight that (sitting on a shelf collecting dust) with my computers, and while you obviously can't daily-drive a computer that can't handle Javascript in 2024, I like using them for the things they CAN do and I believe it helps keep me from spiraling down the drain that is total reliance on a constant internet connection.
 
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I should get two more old rustbucket machines running. One for authentic first family computer experience and other one for windows 2000 autism. I also managed to get a crt for free as it was being thrown out. Been using it sporadically with an existing win xp machine.
I would fiddle with these more if i had more room in my apartment and didn't have to rely on parents house for this. Tbh there's more shit i should throw out from there that's useless now but haven't gotten around to it.
 
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Wooooow, that's great you have 4 SE/30s. Did you take the clock batteries out? "Wait, what's a clock battery?"
FOR SALE
APPLE MAC MACINTOSH SE/30 CLASSIC MAC WORKED LAST I USED IT 1993
HARD DRIVE'S DEAD, FLOPPY DRIVE'S FULL OF FLOOD DIRT, CLOCK BATTERY MELTED INTO THE TV TUBE CAUSE I STORED IT UPSIDE DOWN TO FIT ON OLD NEWSPAPER SHELF, CASE TURNED SMOKER SUNTAN FROM MY GARAGE'S CFL LIGHTS, BLACK SMUDGE GOUGES FROM BEIN HIT BY MY SNOWBLOWER ONCE, CASE SCREWS GONE AND WON'T SHUT ALL THE WAY, CABLE ON THE BACK OF THE TV TUBE MISSING, KEYBOARD MISSING THE SPACEBAR E L AND NUMBERPAD 7 KEYS, MOUSE WON'T MOVE, COMES WITH FOUR APPLETALK MODEMS 3 DIED FROM CAT PEEING ON THEM
$800 W/ $45 SHIPPING BUY IT NOW NO COUNTEROFFERS THESE ARE RARE
 
Vintage computers are kind of an oddball hobby (and kind of like car collecting) because using them actually keeps them healthy and functional.
A vintage computer and/or vintage game console collection is to Gen X dudes what car collecting is to boomers. I suspect this is because many Gen Xers have been priced out the classic car market and have to scratch that nostalgia itch somehow. Or it could just be projection on my part.

I've been collecting for many years, though it's only been the past couple of years I've been able to use a lot of the stuff I've collected. I like to rotate my collection from time to time, as actually using these machines is half the fun (the other half of the fun being the act of keeping them alive via maintenance and repairs).

I can understand that the usefulness of an e.g. Amiga 500 is kinda limited in 2024 and you can only play some of these games that often and you also won't make one your daily driver but it's pathetic if you don't know simple user things like formatting a harddrive and installing must-have patches and tools, but still insist on buying a $400 (or whatever they cost now) FPGA accelerator and a $300 special designed case for it.
Now there's a can of worms. How far do you go before your vintage machine is no longer a vintage machine? I know some enthusiasts are all about "muh purity", but at the other end of the spectrum (no pun intended) there are dudes who throw everything they can at making their 30+ year old machine behave vaguely like a modern PC.

imo there are some computers where modern upgrades are very helpful e.g. a BlueSCSI on a Mac where the original spinning rust no longer spins, and some are even within the spirit of the original machine. The PiTubeDirect for the BBC Micro is a classic example, as the ARM chip is a direct descendant of the original Beeb (there's even a version of Elite specifically written for PiTubeDirect equipped Beebs). I don't find this anywhere nearly as difficult to reconcile as a PiStorm on an Amiga.

Then there are some computers where even the most inoffensive of modern hardware just seems a bit wrong. Why anyone would want to load ZX Spectrum games from an SD card is beyond me; the tape loading noises are part of what makes the Speccy so iconic.
 
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I suspect this is because many Gen Xers have been priced out the classic car market
That and not having a lot of land on which to store those project cars. A Mac fits in an apartment, a Mustang doesn’t.

It’s also not just gen X, there’s a not-insignificant group of younger people interested (though most are of the aforementioned “collector” variety).
 
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I can't even get mad at windows g. He doesn't post a lot and more or less fully commits to the bit. If he was taking sponsorships or whatever I'd probably find him obnoxious, but he's more just doing wacky shit for personal fulfillment so I kinda respect it.

But then again, I'm an IRCfag from the 00s/10s - watching a feminine man in a maid outfit install linux on things is like autistic internet comfort food.

A vintage computer and/or vintage game console collection is to Gen X dudes what car collecting is to boomers. I suspect this is because many Gen Xers have been priced out the classic car market and have to scratch that nostalgia itch somehow. Or it could just be projection on my part.
I think post-Boomer gens have an entirely different relationship with cars tbh. A lot of boomers associate them with "muh freedom, go anywhere" because they were legitimately the first gen where individual (as opposed to household) car ownership became a reality. Anyone born after the US became a car-centric society though probably sees them as more of a chore - a car is an expensive necessity that you can't maintain a livelihood without. Meanwhile computers were actually a manifestation of new freedom and culture for gen X/millennials, a luxury you buy into to join the next zeigeist (like what cheap cars were for boomers).

This might also just be projection though since I hate driving.
 
I can't even get mad at windows g. He doesn't post a lot and more or less fully commits to the bit. If he was taking sponsorships or whatever I'd probably find him obnoxious, but he's more just doing wacky shit for personal fulfillment so I kinda respect it.
I'm sure nothing bad involving kids would come up involving that "trans rights" AGP and the Discord he runs.
 
Watching more of this stuff I feel we're at a bit of a crossroads with the early electronics stuff, which means we're about at the peak of it. The two issues are separate but rather intertwined:

First, the Computer of Theseus problem is now rather rife. Shit's failing. Most commodity chips are fine to obtain and replace. Common EPROMs and RAM chips aren't going away anytime soon. The uncommon chips are. This does a lot of things (including fueling replacements, see point 2) but it has some super interesting effects. It puts a bit of a cap on what era can be restored. Early-mid 8-bit stuff? Commodity chips (mostly) and 74 series logic, have the fuck at it. Got a 90s desktop with a failed custom IC? You're not replacing it. And the replacements thereof may not be all that much better. One of the gold standard replacements for the now-rare C64 PLA (the PLA20V8) uses small programmable logic chips... that are themselves obsolete, though for now readily available. That's just kicking the can down the road a little. The boards themselves are aging so you have projects like the EVO64 to replace all that stuff if you need. Storage is a huge thing: you really can't fix a trashed magnetic drive. You're replacing more and more of the system just to keep it going and much of it isn't 'original'. Then we get:

The age of wonder in which we live. Consider that when I was a kid these 8-bit computers represented not absolute cutting edge tech, but the best a normie could get their hands on. Now, though... Even about ten years ago when I re-set-up a 64, I could get a little pseudo-cartridge that shoved cartridge data onto the 6502 bus, talked the cut down IEEE488 bus to act like a floppy drive and on and on. Now, just consider the simple, cheapish Raspberry Pi Pico. That device has been used to essentially bitbang the following through GPIO: 8-bit CPU local buses of your choice, Acorn Tube (which is almost that), ISA (picogus), IDE, Fast SCSI... Even some of those ASICs I mentioned before. A cheapass tiny SBC and some level shifters/bus drivers and you're good to go. There's something strange though, connecting a little computer a literal million times more powerful than the host system to it to take care of tasks for it.

This particularly hits me when people want to use an old hard drive for a system to give a true feeling of the actual speed and sensory experience of using an old machine. If you're into this for historical and educational reasons, you're just not going to be able to do much about this stuff soon. If you're a collectsoomer, maybe it doesn't matter that you've got a 100% original case with a Pi or modern FPGA in every orifice to keep it running but at what point are we actually just... you know, running a series of interlinked emulators and calling it 'hardware', while turning up noses at software emulation?
 
This particularly hits me when people want to use an old hard drive for a system to give a true feeling of the actual speed and sensory experience of using an old machine. If you're into this for historical and educational reasons, you're just not going to be able to do much about this stuff soon. If you're a collectsoomer, maybe it doesn't matter that you've got a 100% original case with a Pi or modern FPGA in every orifice to keep it running but at what point are we actually just... you know, running a series of interlinked emulators and calling it 'hardware', while turning up noses at software emulation?
To bring it back to cars as a reasonable comparison, you could wax on about this with how much people replace when it comes to a restoration, a resto-mod, or just finding ways around using consumable components that aren't available anymore.

We're in an era where the long-term support for these computers is simply beginning to emerge. There are people who have recreated the PCB layouts for Macs prone to being battery-bombed, and FPGAs can serve as (not scalable) replacements for custom ICs if said ICs are reverse-engineered (which some are). I don't think anyone's calling a classic car "not historically accurate" for not having the factory tires on it, because that's simply unreasonable. No one's going to bitch about you replacing capacitors. Even having a BlueSCSI isn't spitting in the face of historical preservation of hardware. I've done several such mods on my computers because the hard drives are simply dead. I've gone further with others.

Of course there is the question of "when does this become emulation?"

I'd answer that with "when you've gutted it." When it's not even pretending to be what it originally was. Someone gutting a Mac Mini and putting it into an SE/30 case, for example.

Another way to look at modern mods you can do with these computers, is to think of them as just the natural evolution of mods that existed back then. Often, they're modern recreations of said modifications.
 
I think the question of what makes an authentic experience with retro computers and video games is interesting. The Retron SNES system on a chip clones specifically are difficult to distinguish from the real thing in terms of graphics and sound nowadays unless you literally have a CRT hooked up side by side with a real SNES to test its authenticity. They also come with really good controllers that are probably better quality than the originals. There also seems to be little perceptible delay compared to an SNES hooked up to a CRT. I know all this because the first thing I did when I picked up and Retron 3 HD was hook up an SNES to a small CRT next to it to test input delay.

If someone buys something like a Super Retron HD, buys a knockoff Super Mario World cart on Ali and plays it on a modern television, are they getting the authentic experience of playing a Super Nintendo?

I have a GBA. The hardware is the original horizontal board released in 2001, but I've installed a good, glass IPS screen that emulates the pixels of the original, I've swapped out the case and buttons, I've done the USB-C rechargeable battery mod and I use a flashcart instead of original cartridges. I am using original hardware, and the person with the Super Retron HD & knock off cart is not, but isn't it fair to argue that the person using the Super Retron HD is getting something closer to the original experience of using the system than I am with my GBA despite using an original board?
 
Now there's a can of worms.
Indeed, I picked these FPGA accelerators for the amiga because they are (were? I don't know what the state is) absolutely ridiculous. The problem with the Amiga in particular is that the chipset will always run at it's slow ~7 Mhz. The entire system is built around that clock (really build around the PAL/NTSC color clock frequencies, these are divisons) and you can't change anything here without changing *everything*, so screen refresh rate, audio sampling rate and disk drive speed, which as you can imagine, would not end well. It's set in stone. (There would've been the possibility to run parts of the system actually "asynchronously" but they didn't because basically the fast, additional memory required was very, very expensive but that's neither here nor there) I have a 68060 50 Mhz accelerator card for my Amiga 2000. The 68060 is an uncommon processor (to most end users, it was in a lot of stuff though, from airplanes to missiles to telco to space shuttles to BMWs) but to make it more relatable, it's about the speed of an early pentium. There are not many of these cards because implementing this on an accelerator was not that easy in the early 90s for a small outfit and it was also kinda pointless because the PC already reigned supreme so you were restricted to a market of people romantically attached to their Amiga in the 90s of which there were suprisingly many but not that many. Main use for such cards was to run 68k Mac "emulation" (not really emulation, it's more like linux' WINE really) to have a bigger software library which the Amiga can pull off flawlessly, making an 68060 equipped Amiga the fastest 68k Mac platform you can have, on "authentic, time-appropiate" hardware. This got somewhat forgotten but these 68k Macs were expensive and an accelerator for the Amiga gave you both the capability to run your old AmigaOS software and newer Mac stuff, which is one thing that made them attractive for a few years. An 68060-equipped Amiga 2000 is fast enough to run Mac games like Capitalism, Day of the Tentacle, Full Throttle and Star Trek TNG: A final Unity, which is quite the gamut for a system from 1987.

The 2000 is strictly 16 bit memory bus and very slow so the 68060 has local 32 bit memory on the card. (otherwise it'd be utterly pointless and the processor would just wait on the slow system ram all the time) This is ok for CPU bound tasks and actually really quick, especially when you use the accelerator-local SCSI controller with DMA so you have to pipe as little data through the slow Amiga part as possible. Sadly, the 68060 has to talk to the rest of the system sometimes, especially in chipset-bound operations involving sound, graphics etc.. The "timing window" for the 68060 on this particular accelerator to talk to the chipset is actually so unfavorable that chipset-bound operations are SLOWER than on an unaccelerated Amiga. Videogames played via e.g. whdload in some cases run actually slower than just directly booted from a floppy with the accelerator turned off, not because the individual parts are slower, but because there's so much delay in them being able to talk to each other.

One solution you can implement to avoid that slow chipset further (while still being bound to the just as slow Zorro II, so really not that much of an improvement) is adding a graphics card to the system and then get clever with memory access times, caching and so on. There weren't really graphics chips made for the Zorro bus (because it was such a tiny marketshare it would have not been profitable) so all "classic" graphics cards that exist for the Amiga have graphics chips that were either made for the ISA or the PCI bus. The amiga graphics cards then have glue logic so they speak PCI/ISA to the chip and Zorro to the system. This was quite timing critical too and even though we had programmable logic it was finnicky, not that trivial to implement in the early 90s. On top of that the OS never really supported this. Promises by Commodore were made and not kept and you know the rest. Then there were 3rd party libraries to patch this into the OS but they had some gay licensing slapfights going on and I don't even remember the story there I think it's actually still going on because autism. There are also accelerators that completely bypass the Zorro system an have a local bus from the accelerator to a graphics card which is of course the fastest you can go. I have a graphics card for that Amiga. It's kinda useless on the "amiga side" of things, but again, great for 68k Mac emulation since MacOS software goes cleanly through the OS and isn't just a bunch of chipset-poking hacks.

Why am I telling you all this? We're now in the world of tomorrow and both the 68060 and the amiga chipsets are trivial, downright primitive and easy to implement in an FPGA. And that's what the FPGA accelerator people did, they just implemented the entire computer in the FPGA and avoided all these complicated speed bumps and timing problems. With these FPGAs, the Amiga is nothing more than an appendix, just forwarding keyboard and other port signals. You might as well remove the Amiga from the equation altogether. This is not putting new wheels on a classic Bentley, this is welding parts of one to your 2013 Honda Civic. At that point you might as well save yourself the money, use the old amiga for old amiga things and run an emulator on a more modern machine for those two programs that need something your old Amiga cannot do.

Same, in my opinion, with all these solutions that give you modern outputs (HDMI etc.) for old systems. I don't know what's the newest there but I can promise you they all probably work by just reproducing what the original graphics chip did and then piping it to an digital output. Because it's a lot more trivial to do than processing (often not really good) analog video signals, which is a science in itself. (read: more expensive) There's been made some good progress here in the last few years with the OSSC and Framemeister and what-have-you and I personally just wouldn't, especially since analog video signals was what an Amiga was all about, it's "soul" so to speak.

I think a different case can be made for modern storage solutions. In my "retro religious" beliefs I see a closed microcontroller who e.g. handles SCSI or floppy disk emulation less critical because it's a system that interfaces with the retro computer without replacing any of it's parts. The old SCSI drives, disk drives etc. weren't any different, they had their own onboard microcontrollers too, even if a lot more primitive. If you put a "modern" SCSI server drive (one of the few drives you can still get that still work well- which is possible, SCSI is backwards compatible) into an old Amiga for example, you end up with a drive whose microcontroller probably has many times the RAM and processing power the entire system has, so it isn't really any different, just more inconvinient.

I'd write more about how you can easily build 8 and 16 bit systems time appropiate with cheap off the shelf parts, but this post is long enough.
 
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