Epic Games General Thread - Its time to talk about what the AAA gaming industry does not understand about the PC console.

If Epic wants exclusives for their store why don't they just fund them themselves like Sony,Microsoft and Nintendo do for their consoles instead of poaching games from Steam?
If Epic were to fund a game on the scale of like Borderlands 3 or Control it would not come out for another 2-3 years from now. They want to replace Steam right now, not 2 years from now when people stop playing Fortnite and they go back to being irrelevant as a game developer.

If they don't get anything going this is going to be one of those cases where in a few years they lay off hundreds of people, apparently they're over 1000 employees right now which is crazy for a company that essentially only has 1 game.

Not that I think their current strategy is a great one or anything. I expect the whole thing to come crashing down a some point.
 
That was..very hard to watch. Think I made it about two minutes before I couldn't be bothered anymore. It's amazing that guy has any subscribers at all.



There is absolutely no reason to buy a single exclusive on EGS. You don't reinforce bad behavior; you mock it mercilessly until the entity partaking in said behavior either falls in line or implodes. As it stands now, my money is most definitely on the latter..

Just ride out the temporary grief and feeling of loss over that game you really wanted to play. It'll get better in so much as a year's time as the Tencent/Epic "games exclusives" money pit dries up and EGS bears a whole bunch of rotten fruit in kind.

Every single shill or troll in this thread hasn't given me a single reason why I should use Epic. I want someone to tell me a practical reason I should use Epic over Origin, right now. Not a year from now, not it'll get better. Now. And not an emotional one. A practical, consumer-based reason that benefits me. They can't. Its simply not possible.

Its already getting bad for them. Devs were terrified of going on stage and saying Epic exclusive. And nobody ever fucking admits the real reason, because they're all lying faggots and cowards. Money. Just say its the fucking money. Everyone with a brain fucking knows, you aren't fooling shit. "OH THEY HELPED US SO MUCH" Fuck yourself, cunt. Nothing is worse than a greedy, lying cocksucker who fucks over people that trusted them.

Barely anyone has had the fucking balls to announce it right up front that they're going exclusive. They have to fucking deceive you to use their store. Deception, bribes and false advertising are the main things Epic is offering to people. And it still isn't working.

Video: "In a publicly traded company"

Epic isn't publicly traded you dumb ape. Unless I missed that news.

I'm sure he said some other words that maybe matter in that video, but when his defense about "Sweeny isn't lying" seems to heavily lean on this "fact" well I don't actually care what he says after that, and he sounds obnoxious so I doubly don't care to hear him out. The comments in that twitter are exceptional too. "Oh Steam gamerz are gonna be mad at E3 LOL" yeah we just had to screw over people's kickstarter for the revival of a cult classic people have wanted for nearly 2 decades to accomplish that. We need to own Steam, just like the libs, by any means necessary RISE UP DOWN WITH STEAM.

As @AnOminous said, it isn't. It is privately held. Sweeny went for a deal with Tencent.

lol, does he even know why Epic went in with Tencent? Does he have a singular clue? Its because they saw that games were moving towards a 'games as service' model and wanted to get in on the action with Tencent and have them help them accomplish that. Why do you think Fortnite was made the way it was and they snapped up Autochess by a chink developer? Epic gaming does not intend to make 'PC gaming better' and have actively made it worse. Its probably some faggot shill who made that video or someone legitimately brain damaged who went on the 'Steam hate train' that's an old as fuck meme. People just hate Steam now to hate it.

If Epic were to fund a game on the scale of like Borderlands 3 or Control it would not come out for another 2-3 years from now. They want to replace Steam right now, not 2 years from now when people stop playing Fortnite and they go back to being irrelevant as a game developer.

If they don't get anything going this is going to be one of those cases where in a few years they lay off hundreds of people, apparently they're over 1000 employees right now which is crazy for a company that essentially only has 1 game.

Not that I think their current strategy is a great one or anything. I expect the whole thing to come crashing down a some point.

Honestly, I think they're too late on that point. They've basically destroyed their entire reputation. They've got one singular game and an engine, which if they hold over developer's heads like the mafia if they go to Steam, it will be avoided. People are very slow, especially these days, to adopt a new digital storefront since there are so goddamn many. And why are you going to adopt a platform worse than Origin mostly known for a casual game for children? They've also basically decimated any Kickstarter, since nobody in their right fucking mind is going to trust them. This strategy had to work hard and fast out of the gate, and it really hasn't. Also, with every 'exclusive' title for a AAA studio with a launcher, they risk people just buying it from that launcher, like Uplay.

Microsoft isn't going to go to them. They're going with Steam and cross-play for the time being. The Halo Collection being on Steam is better than any exclusive Epic currently has. Even Metro Exodus is on the Windows Store. How good did that exclusive deal REALLY work if they put it out on another storefront a few months after it went 'exclusive'? Their strategy is already not working. Their exclusivity deals reek of cancer and basically the first question everyone asks now is, 'Will it be an Epic exclusive?' Somebody even asked CYBERPUNK that question, even though CD Projekt has their own store. And Cyberpunk isn't even on Epic yet, so its losing out on those HYPE pre-orders after Keanu was one of this year's best moments at E3.

IMO, Shenmue III as an exclusive was a huge mistake. Most people who play games haven't heard of it. Most people who do remember it as this weird game with a hardcore audience that was on the Dreamcast. Who the fuck else is buying this except the people who backed it? Yakuza looks better in every way anyway, and I don't have any loyalty or nostalgia to the Shenmue series. Nor would I buy it from a bunch of slimy cocksuckers. So why are you paying millions, since Deep Silver is part of Koch Media and those greedy faggots aren't giving that away just for the Unreal Engine cut. So you have Shenmue III costing millions, have to abide by the even slimmer cut from it using the Unreal Engine and pissing off everybody who 1) Wanted this game and 2) Runs a Kickstarter. What was the point? Do they really think they're going to make any money on that deal? It just seems like Tim Sweeny hates Steam and is doing this out of spite. Its like he's shouting "NOTICE ME, DO SOMETHING, DO ANYTHING, WE'RE HERE, WE'RE GOING TO BEAT YOU" when he's already been gutshot and Steam is just watching him getting septic from his own shit, slowly dying and going "Why?" I also had to laugh when Sweeny basically tried to beg Steam to get out of the exclusive hole they dug with a cheap and obvious ploy that would hurt Steam more than any exclusive deal. So fucking transparent.

I see absolutely no point in them poaching Shenmue III. Its an extremely niche game which everyone who wanted it backed it. Completely illogical and frankly a bizarre move. They're trying to get Steam to react. The only thing Steam needs to stop is developers using their platform for free advertising then going exclusive. That's about all they really need to do. Because the entirety of this strategy is acting like a parasite off of Steam.
 
Every single shill or troll in this thread hasn't given me a single reason why I should use Epic. I want someone to tell me a practical reason I should use Epic over Origin, right now. Not a year from now, not it'll get better. Now. And not an emotional one. A practical, consumer-based reason that benefits me. They can't. Its simply not possible.

Simple! You have to. That's it. They're trying to compete despite having a shit client by offering the publishers a bigger pie slice, but for the consumers their one and only strategy is to strong-arm us into using their stuff because it's the one and only (legal) option (for now). But I'm going to 'member which games went in for this. If they think they can show up on Steam ever how much later with a, "Hi fellow kids!" and a sixty dollar price tag like it's a day one release, I hope they enjoy not getting my money until their game's $5 in a Humble Bundle. Outer Worlds is the one and only exception in my book, because they're coming out on Microsoft's store in addition to Epic. They still pulled some stupid shit by taking money just to screw Steam, but at least they aren't trying to force me to use Epic's shit client. Microsoft's shit client is at least built into Windows anyways, has user reviews and a working shopping cart.

Let that sink in for a second. Microsoft's storefront works vastly better than what Epic shit out.
 
Simple! You have to. That's it. They're trying to compete despite having a shit client by offering the publishers a bigger pie slice, but for the consumers their one and only strategy is to strong-arm us into using their stuff because it's the one and only (legal) option (for now). But I'm going to 'member which games went in for this. If they think they can show up on Steam ever how much later with a, "Hi fellow kids!" and a sixty dollar price tag like it's a day one release, I hope they enjoy not getting my money until their game's $5 in a Humble Bundle. Outer Worlds is the one and only exception in my book, because they're coming out on Microsoft's store in addition to Epic. They still pulled some stupid shit by taking money just to screw Steam, but at least they aren't trying to force me to use Epic's shit client. Microsoft's shit client is at least built into Windows anyways, has user reviews and a working shopping cart.

Let that sink in for a second. Microsoft's storefront works vastly better than what Epic shit out.

You have to remember, Outer Worlds was NOT published by Microsoft. It was published by Take 2. Take 2 made that decision. Its Obsidian's last game before MS bought them. Take2 basically took the money and locked it away from Steam. Its only available on the Windows Store as well because Microsoft now owns Obsidian and its IPs. Take2 did that to get more profit out of it and to fuck over Microsoft's newly bought brand.

That's really it. As a consumer, the devs aren't seeing these cuts, the publishers are. Its like believing in trickle down economics. Its fucking re.tarded. If I want to support the devs, guess what? I can buy their game off of a key site which offers them a bigger cut than Steam. That's right, Steam gives its keys out for free and you are free to re-sell them. If you give it to a third party, Steam gets 0 dollars. The re-seller and the devs do, and the cut is more than Steam offers. Steam also allows you to give infinite keys. Steam can afford to do this because of its cut. If you say that's monopoly tactics, then I'll call you a fucking re.tard because Steam has allowed more growth in the marketplace through third party re-sellers like Humble Bundle than Epic has or ever will. Wonder why certain GoG games come with a Steam key? That's free. Epic does not do the same thing because it literally cannot afford it. It cannot afford third party re-sellers because of its margins and its constant spending of millions of dollars on exclusives.

You blame Steam for a monopoly? Hah. It's expanded the PC market to be more profitable. What's Epic doing for that? Is Epic building up 3rd party sellers that give you great deals, make it more profitable for both the devs and the reseller, allowing more games to come to the PC platform? What's Epic doing to make a better experience? Poaching exclusives and installing spyware on your computer and has a store that doesn't have a shopping cart that even a 78 year old's Etsy page has.

If you buy a game off of Green Man Gaming, or any other re-seller, Valve sees 0 profit. So Valve has effectively lead to more growth in the PC space by allowing more stores and cheaper games. The more stores that publishers can sell their games on, the more money they make. So if you hate Steam so much and want to deny it money, buy games through key re-sellers. You support small businesses and the developers and not Gaben. How is Epic saving PC gaming? Oh, it isn't, because Tim Sweeny is a gigantic faggot who doesn't understand the market he's in. You don't want to give Valve any money and want devs to have a cut? Use re-sellers. Epic still has DRM like Steam. Otherwise shut your fucking mouth. You can't even troll this shit properly. The only reason to use Epic is because you have no standards and you love companies fucking you up the ass and lying to your face.

So answer me again. You hate Valve, fine. You can support devs, independent businesses and the growth of the PC market without giving Valve a single dollar and use all the features in Steam, costing the company you hate money in bandwith and data. So why am I going to Epic which has 0 features, even if I hate Valve and can use Steam without giving them a cent? I want a fucking reason. I'll never get one except troll responses. But that's ok, I'm used to dealing with dumb faggots.

It might seem like I'm mad, but I view the trolls and the shills as pathetic brain dead morons. Nigger, I'm not mad at you. I'm not even mad at Epic, I think they're fucktarded and disgusting, but they've already failed. Shenmue III exclusivity is proof they don't have any idea what the fuck they're doing except be in the red, get bad press and fund YouTube channels for outrage vids. Its such a poor acquisition its funny. I'm laughing and enjoying how fucking stupid the Epic store is and how bad your trolling is. Its like watching a re.tard at the carnival. You're a side-show attraction to me.
 
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The trifecta of cunts teaming up to give a non-answer to the Shenmue backers
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Let's see how the backers are taking it

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Also got some defenders/apologists in the comments too. C'mon guys, don't just bend over and take it because you want a game
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This dude is weird. He posted this a couple of times. How do you jump to this conclusion when Valve has done nothing in response to Epic?
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This right here is very interesting and fucked up. Backers are getting screwed on physical copies of PC versions because Epic can't run the CDs unlike Steam. I can't find the tweet in question though, if any kiwi's find a message like that let me know. How is this ok? Those people purposely paid more to get the physical copy and you're just gonna toss them a code when they at minimum paid double than what they would have. I'm sensing class action lawsuits in the future with all the bullshit happening

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If these shenanigans epic keep pulling on a weekly basis over a crowdfunded project that promise to be on steam, advertise themselves on steam store and then pull the rug from under the customers doesn't make people realize that paying money for a chance of a game 4 years later down the line is a bad investment I don't know what will.

But then again, you know what they say about fools and their money.
 
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To paraphrase he ginger gremlin from sbfp, the way they’ve gone about this guarantees a lawsuit. No refunds, no stated period of exclusivity, renaging on things people payed for because Epics launcher apparently can’t run physicalmedia, and times for chargebacks long being past. Kickstarter might even pitch in, because shit like this endangers their core business model. @AnOminous ? That sound halfway believable?
 
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To paraphrase he ginger gremlin from sbfp, the way they’ve gone about this guarantees a lawsuit. No refunds, no stated period of exclusivity, renaging on things people payed for because Epics launcher apparently can’t run physicalmedia, and times for chargebacks long being past. Kickstarter might even pitch in, because shit like this endangers their core business model. @AnOminous ? That sound halfway believable?

It's really a classic class action situation and I can see that happening with the amount of money involved. What they've done is just pure bait and switch and they aren't delivering on what people paid for.
 
Every single shill or troll in this thread hasn't given me a single reason why I should use Epic.
Because how dare you not sell yourself for chinaman bucks and have standards for services!

its real pathetic lookin back in the thread early, and seeing as more and more shityness about epic store came out, stuff which most people id say took a shot from the hip with and it being pretty close.
 
Because how dare you not sell yourself for chinaman bucks and have standards for services!

its real pathetic lookin back in the thread early, and seeing as more and more shityness about epic store came out, stuff which most people id say took a shot from the hip with and it being pretty close.

It is pathetic. No shill can ever respond to me clearly. Its also terrible trolling because you can just post memes and go 'lol u mad', which is really fucking pathetic. You can't even play games off-line with Epic. So you have no argument, literally. There is absolutely no reason for me to use Epic except if I want an exclusive game, which I don't.

Also anyone defending this is a faggot and a reason why we have companies doing shit like this.
 
Also now DotA 2 has DotA Underlords. Runs on their own engine, didn't pay the chinks a cent. All DotA 2 characters.

Epic paid money for a chink knock off and has to waste dev time helping them lol.
 
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I want to be more annoyed, but the only game I care about from them is Vampyr and that's still on Steam and GOG. At least they didn't snag another backer game. Let's see if their Life is Strange fans like the company enough to jump on the Epic train.
 
Epic paid money for a chink knock off and has to waste dev time helping them lol.
why isnt that Dota knock off exclusive to epic? Lol still has its own client. maybe the Chinese Overlords arent that Powerfull?
 
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