Epic Games General Thread - Its time to talk about what the AAA gaming industry does not understand about the PC console.

[MI 814]

Nah, I have pretty much thrown Epic under the bus too. Been really consistent about that.

Are you attempting to troll me? Really is that what this is? Honestly at this point, you are making my case for me about people approaching this with a bunkered mentality.

I even stated it in my last post that I am pushing for an economic concept called "Monopolistic Competition". This isn't that hard.

You seem to be giving a lot of mixed messages though. Hmmm...

 

[AP 297]

You seem to be giving a lot of mixed messages though. Hmmm...

I would argue been pretty consistent. Never once encouraged people to use Epic unless it is for Fortnite. Called out Steam for its bullshit. Been pushing people to think of separating social from commercial and explore what I am now referring as Monopolistic Competition as it is formally called in Economics.

 

[SJ 485]

That's ironic coming from someone desperate to tell people they are stupid for calling out shitty business practices like a paid shill.

You seem to be giving a lot of mixed messages though. Hmmm...

@SunLightStreak hasn't called anyone stupid and hasn't even advocated for buying games from Epic, his point of view has been 100% consistent and he's been way more fair to people like you calling him a shill and getting mad at his posts than I have, I'll happily tell you you're a low IQ moron though. Go take a long walk off a short pier dumb-dumb. Your posts are the opposite of worthwhile discourse, if you want to get mad at everyone who thinks differently than you and start slapfights with them in every single thread calling them shills and retards or whatever then /v/ is over here, they enjoy that sort of thing.

 

[666DEATHGAY]

Heres a fun question: Got anything to back up this bullshit? I mean, aside from the obvious proof that you're just borrowing from Sweenys interview off "Yo guys. We do good here. Ya gotta believe that were being cerial here"

Also, stop bringing up cheap games and thinking it somehow makes your argument.

I don't even know who Sweeny is though you seem very obsessed with him though. To answer your question my post already explains why games will have higher production values if distributing games is cheaper. I brought up cheap games to show that I don't really care and im just looking at the objective factors at play here.

 

[The tired cat]

I don't even know who Sweeny is though you seem very obsessed with him though. To answer your question my post already explains why games will have higher production values if distributing games is cheaper. I brought up cheap games to show that I don't really care and im just looking at the objective factors at play here.

Really now? You dont know him, kinda hard to buy it since you are spouting the same BS he is. Anyway, hes the clown who made the Epic store and lives this delirious idea how his circuss of a store is gonna beat steam and that consumers dont understand the "good" he does. Despite that everyone has called him out on being a load of bull. An to repeate myself games arent gonna be distributed cheaper nor will it change tje production value, Epic isnt giving buyers cheaper prices, but instead I should care that publishers/devs are getting a better cut while I get jack? Fuck that noise an fuck it hard.

 

[666DEATHGAY]

Epic isnt giving buyers cheaper prices, but instead I should care that publishers/devs are getting a better cut while I get jack? Fuck that noise an fuck it hard.

Pretty much all your grievances come from not understanding how capitalism and competition works.

 

[The tired cat]

Pretty much all your grievances come from not understanding how capitalism and competition works.

Said the guy who claims to know it. But then claims what Epic is doing should be considered "competition". I love some good irony, dont you?

 

[SJ 485]

Said the guy who claims to know it. But then claims what Epic is doing should be considered "competition". I love some good irony, dont you?

What is not competitive about what they're doing? Please elaborate.

 

[The tired cat]

What is not competitive about what they're doing? Please elaborate.

The fact they are forcing people to buy from em while aside from force, they dont offer anything else not even cheaper prices. Hell, for this be competitive wouldnt it be more proper to say on lines of say a game being available on both steam and Epic with either trying to offer a better deal to sway a costumer. GoG does that with DRM-free stuff or when you buy games with major discounts you get a small amount of cash on the GoG wallet to use later. What does Epic have to offer besides holding games for a year and giving consumers a middle finger? Nothing, just their BS about how publishers/devs get a bigger cut and act like anyone gives a shit.

 

[666DEATHGAY]

The fact they are forcing people to buy from em while aside from force, they dont offer anything else not even cheaper prices. Hell, for this be competitive wouldnt it be more proper to say on lines of say a game being available on both steam and Epic with either trying to offer a better deal to sway a costumer. GoG does that with DRM-free stuff or when you buy games with major discounts you get a small amount of cash on the GoG wallet to use later. What does Epic have to offer besides holding games for a year and giving consumers a middle finger? Nothing, just their BS about how publishers/devs get a bigger cut and act like anyone gives a shit.

How are they forcing people to buy their games? Sounds pretty fucked up if that's happening. They seem to be offering a game people want and offering developers money for hosting their games. Downloading their client is really easy and you are gay if you care about what launcher you used when you actually play the game and that's why you are also gay if you are mad about this.

 

[SJ 485]

The fact they are forcing people to buy from em while aside from force, they dont offer anything else not even cheaper prices. Hell, for this be competitive wouldnt it be more proper to say on lines of say a game being available on both steam and Epic with either trying to offer a better deal to sway a costumer. GoG does that with DRM-free stuff or when you buy games with major discounts you get a small amount of cash on the GoG wallet to use later. What does Epic have to offer besides holding games for a year and giving consumers a middle finger? Nothing, just their BS about how publishers/devs get a bigger cut and act like anyone gives a shit.

Nobody is forcing you to buy video games. That is asinine, they're making deals with publishers and developers and offering a product to you. If you feel that you absolutely NEED to buy video games to the point where it only being offered in one place is "force" to you, you need to re-examine your life. There's no force, no coercion, just business.
If I want to buy Ben & Jerry's Ice Cream and Tesco decides to strike up an exclusivity deal with Unilever to become the sole suppliers of that brand of ice cream, I am not being forced to shop at Tesco, I am making an active choice to purchase a product that I like from that supermarket. If I decide to boycott Tesco because of the horse meat fiasco from a few years ago and this means I can no longer enjoy Ben & Jerry's ice cream, that is my decision, nobody made that choice for me, nobody forced me to behave that way, and ABSOLUTELY NOBODY is forcing you to buy any video games.

 

[Mammal Pod]

I understand wanting to give Epic a chance but nothing, absolutely nothing about this storefront is giving me even a slither of hope.
"Steam is a monopoly!" So what? Really, what's the big deal? From a consumer standpoint, Steam charges fair prices for game (specially if you're not american like I am due to their own designated regional pricing), allows you to keep all games you purchase even if they are pulled under, has two-step verification for extra account protection, etc.
"They charge 30% of profits!" Scummy, yes, but you'll never cause a significant consumer migration on that alone.
"The games aren't regulated, it's flooded with shit games!" That's what your discovery queue is for. My Steam front page is completely sparkly clean from garbage, and if you accidentally buy a bad game you can get a refund in two hours. Even scam games like that "Journey of the Light" one that had no second level was pulled and unconditional refunds were issued to everybody who bought it. If you can't filter out your own storefront that's your own problem.
"Review bombings!!" Fixed now, as Steam automatically hides sudden spikes of negative reviews from games.
Epic at this point is a Nascar driver who rode in, immediatly crashed its car, and is now begging to be allowed to join the race again while its still limping and wearing casts, while at the same time bribing all the tire companies to stop them from selling to the competitors.

 

[The tired cat]

How are they forcing people to buy their games? Sounds pretty fucked up if that's happening. They seem to be offering a game people want and offering developers money for hosting their games. Downloading their client is really easy and you are gay if you care about what launcher you used when you actually play the game and that's why you are also gay if you are mad about this.

Okay, let me explain this slowly for you: They are making games exclusives to THEIR store front, these arent games THEY made, but games made by OTHERS and they essentially bribed those people to sell on their store for a year. These games arent available on any other PC store front, not just steam but even GoG. That is literally forcing consumers to use your joke of a launcher, because you have no other honest ways to attract costumers. An you my dear friend are acting like a typical Epic apologist, while everyone else seems em for how scummy and shady they are.

 

[SJ 485]

essentially bribed

It's called business dude, there's no bribery, a bribe implies foul-play or some kind of illegality. It's a voluntary exchange between two parties, it's not a crime just because they didn't ask you if you liked the idea before doing it. You have no say in the matter, you're not a party to the contract, if you don't like it you're free to just not buy the game. Video games are the most unnecessary luxury consumer item in history, you don't have a right to buy whatever you want from whoever you want. Take issue with what they're doing by all means but stop pretending it's somehow unfair to consumers or illegal or whatever you're trying to imply. It's not.

 

[The tired cat]

It's called business dude, there's no bribery, a bribe implies foul-play or some kind of illegality. It's a voluntary exchange between two parties, it's not a crime just because they didn't ask you if you liked the idea before doing it. You have no say in the matter, you're not a party to the contract, if you don't like it you're free to just not buy the game. Video games are the most unnecessary luxury consumer item in history, you don't have a right to buy whatever you want from whoever you want. Take issue with what they're doing by all means but stop pretending it's somehow unfair to consumers or illegal or whatever you're trying to imply. It's not.

Uh-huh, so them pulling that stunt with the indie game or Metro Exodus at the last moment isnt bribery. Then again, from what I saw you're like the #1 apologist for Epic and whatever shady shit they pull.

 

[SJ 485]

Metro Exodus

There's an argument to be made that that was a shady move and I'd agree on the face of it, publishers should not alter their offer once they've put it out and accepted people's money, they did honour all existing purchases though which to me makes it seem like this is a molehill being made into a mountain.

Then again, from what I saw you're like the #1 apologist for Epic and whatever shady shit they pull.

Not an argument.

 

[The tired cat]

There's an argument to be made that that was a shady move and I'd agree on the face of it, publishers should not alter their offer once they've put it out and accepted people's money, they did honour all existing purchases though which to me makes it seem like this is a molehill being made into a mountain.

It still doesnt change that they did this at the last moment, thus screwing people who wanted to buy the game after it came our of pre-purchase
Hell, I actually have more respect for Gearbox, atleast they announced right away that Bl3 will be on Epic for half a year instead of pulling what Exodus and the Indie game did. Hell, I prob even have some repsect for Obsidian and the Sinking City people, since they were doing the pre purchase stuff.

 

[666DEATHGAY]

Uh-huh, so them pulling that stunt with the indie game or Metro Exodus at the last moment isnt bribery. Then again, from what I saw you're like the #1 apologist for Epic and whatever shady shit they pull.

What you are doing right now is slander as you have no proof of epic bribing anyone. Delete your post or im calling my lawyers.

 

[SJ 485]

What you are doing right now is slander as you have no proof of epic bribing anyone. Delete your post or im calling my lawyers.

I already notified the legal boys, it's okay. Our paychecks are secure.

 

[AP 297]

Hurr Durr!
Epic good!1!
Tenec better!1
Epic dindu nuffin!1
Steam bad!1

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In all of these postings and especially the long one I made earlier that you rated dumb; this is all you read? Really?

No sign of being able to see a bigger picture? No sign of being able to see that some of us are wanting something better after the Epic vs Steam fight is over? The concept that some of us might be wanting a different marketplace option when Epic possibly drives itself into a ditch and Steam has an unchecked monopoly again; does this actually go over your head?

Is this nihilism or autism? I am really hoping for the former here.