Eurovision Song Contest - Eurofags, Britbongs and Ausfags, let the hate flow through you

[DenseDeerFather]

Unless the EBU fiddled the counting too, to not let Israel win.

Morrocanoil; We need to threaten the money so they'll let us win!

Also, Sweden and Norway have joined in the fray. Belgium has been more ambiguous, asking for transparency.

I suspect more countries might join in.

But honestly, after two years of this uproar against Israel, people should probably realize that Israel will not be banned unless EBU has literally no choice but only if a new sponsor is ready,

Not groundbreaking, and I'm sure it's been mentioned in this thread. But I bet that the only reason why the EBU is so hellbent on bending over backwards for kike cock is literally money. I bet this entire mess has been a giant headache for them, and they'd love to end it, but they can't because of money.

 

[Flaggy but One]

The Croatian artist posted a long thing on instagram complaining about Israel and Ukraine's participation. While I'm sure it's driven by bitterness for his piece of shit not qualifying, I give him credit for saying the quiet part out loud in that political votes for Ukraine (particularly 2022 when their win was a foregone conclusion) isn't great for the contest either. Imo the EBU is lucky Ukrainian acts are generally bretty gud so it looks less sus than Israel, however obviously the issue with wartorn countries isn't that straightforward given noone gives a flying fuck about Armenia. I've quoted the salient parts below-

But, in my mind, if any country is participating in a war, no matter if they are on the side of the aggressor or on the side of the victim, they should not be participating in Eurovision.
And Eurovision, as you know, as we all know, it claims to be non political, strictly neutral. We know that that’s not the case.
So obviously it’s very politicised, and obviously Ukraine is the winner of the first semi final, Israel is the winner of the second one.
Unfortunately Ukrainian people are everywhere around the world and Europe, not because of any beautiful reason, but because they had to leave their country, which is terrible. But that exactly means what it means. It means they will vote for their own country, they will support their own people from other countries where they are living now.
I never called for Ukraine to be disqualified, I just wanted to have a wider discussion about how the countries who are participating in a war, you know, how, what kind of an atmosphere do they bring to the table because of their participation?
And yes, regarding this whole tweet about me bashing other contestants and outing them in Euroclub. Completely true, honestly completely true. I was walking around referencing Silvia Night and yelling that I “hate the ugly bitch from Holland and the stupid old fuck from Sweden” and I was definitely having fun with my friends after all the pressure was lifted, and just talking shit about everybody.
Because the code of conduct that we signed to be nice to each other has stopped with my disqualification [sic] from the contest.
So yes, if I was drunk and talking shit with my friends about other competitions, I have like nothing to say except it’s true and add more on top of it.

Not groundbreaking, and I'm sure it's been mentioned in this thread. But I bet that the only reason why the EBU is so hellbent on bending over backwards for kike cock is literally money. I bet this entire mess has been a giant headache for them, and they'd love to end it, but they can't because of money.

Agree, they couldn't care less either way as long as the bottomline is good and the show can run. I can't imagine any change to the televote system to prevent countries cheesing it either while it rakes in money.

 

[Stoneheart]

big changes in they system would lead to german dominance. right now they give alot of power to the local tv stations, if they change that by taking away that power germany will not be able to stop good songs and real bands from getting to the contest.
Germany had 2 clear winners not making it to the final in the last 5 years.
well known meme metal bands with banger songs destined to win the televote

 

[DenseDeerFather]

The Croatian artist posted a long thing on instagram complaining about Israel and Ukraine's participation

Pl probably but I actually brought that up to a friend. Not Croatia but Ukraine's pity votes and political biased.

Friend said it was fine because Ukraine needed the exposure or "people would forget about them".

That left me with a weird feeling.

 

[-Jack-]

I do wonder how the votes would look if Israel and Ukraine (or any country in a current war) were not able to participate.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Here are some more details from Spain. The numbers are got total votes cast; they're asking for a more detailed breakdown.
The full story

Lol, "why would people vote more for a final than a semifinal"? One thing for certain, the Moors won. Or was it Moops?

And an october 8 survivor. I thought the song festival intro for her was so interesting. It talked about how she's an 8 october survivor and then how the eurovision is not a place for politics. Lmao. Don't know if it got presented like that in other countries too.

Top tier optics sending an october 8 survivor.

People like the tragic background and as long as the song is inoffensive enough they'll be more likely to vote. Especially as the people who rant against Israelis only give them PR.

 

[Lemmingwiser]

People like the tragic background and as long as the song is inoffensive enough they'll be more likely to vote. Especially as the people who rant against Israelis only give them PR.

You're exactly right. This is why I don't believe the audience vote is rigged.

If you view the event politically, even if people barely supported israel, like 95% against 5% for, those 5% would be energized at some level to vote, whereas it's not like the 95% can vote against israel. Instead they're not energized to vote politically (because they can't in this case), and even if they were, their vote would dissipate over 25 or so other contestants.

It's interesting that some countries called for an audit though.

 

[DenseDeerFather]

I will have my tinfoil hat moment and say the only time I feel the vote was rigged was in 2023 where Sweden won instead of Finland.

I am probably wrong and biased and bitter and shit but it has always seemed a little too convenient for Sweden that 2024 would be in time for their ABBA anniversary.

And ABBA just happens to be one of the most influential Eurovision winners and European bands in history.

EBU could milk that bitch for all she's worth for that sweet cash.

But then again I also disliked that song and I consider Euphoria to be overplayed and overrated.

Also one of the articles over here that mentioned wanting an auditor for the public vote was because they found it odd how the jury and the public vote didn't match up.

Which is a piss poor excuse because it's common that the jury and the public have vastly different tastes.

 

[Silence of the Troons]

I will have my tinfoil hat moment and say the only time I feel the vote was rigged was in 2023 where Sweden won instead of Finland.

I am probably wrong and biased and bitter and shit but it has always seemed a little too convenient for Sweden that 2024 would be in time for their ABBA anniversary.

And ABBA just happens to be one of the most influential Eurovision winners and European bands in history.

EBU could milk that bitch for all she's worth for that sweet cash.

But then again I also disliked that song and I consider Euphoria to be overplayed and overrated.

Also one of the articles over here that mentioned wanting an auditor for the public vote was because they found it odd how the jury and the public vote didn't match up.

Which is a piss poor excuse because it's common that the jury and the public have vastly different tastes.

I believe that this is what happened. During the 2023 contest, they were talking about how next year was going to be the 50th year anniversary of ABBA winning the ESC, even before the voting process had begun. I don't think they did this in 2018 with Céline Dion on the 30th anniversary of her winning the ESC, even though she also is a world famous artist.

The distribution of points awarded by the jury that year was also much more uneven that it usually is – Tattoo received 340 points from the jury, whereas the 2nd most popular entry (Israel) only received 177. No wonder Käärijää wasn't able to catch up.

Fun börk fact: if the Bara bada bastu guys hadn't showed up this year, we would most likely have sent Måns Zelmerlöw a second time, with a song that sounded like it was made in 2015 i.e. exactly like Heroes (despite being called "Revolution"). Good thing KAJ showed up and defeated the bad loser Måns, who was sulking afterwards because he didn't get to go to the ESC a second time.

 

[DenseDeerFather]

Fun börk fact: if the Bara bada bastu guys hadn't showed up this year, we would most likely have sent Måns Zelmerlöw a second time, with a song that sounded like it was made in 2015 i.e. exactly like Heroes (despite being called "Revolution"). Good thing KAJ showed up and defeated the bad loser Måns, who was sulking afterwards because he didn't get to go to the ESC a second time.

Jesus lmao....

Yeah, Norway sending Alexander Rybak a second time and bombing is a good reason why that's a coinflip that only worked for Loreen. And I like Heroes but...yeah the sauna dudes saved Sweden from embarrassing itself. Måns even hosted the ESC the year after he won so idk why he's bitching. Maybe he's jelly of Loreen.

I don't like Euphoria, but it is one of the ESC's most popular winner songs so my feelings matter fuck all. Assuming they didn't rig the vote, it's highly likely that Loreen won based on pure nostalgia alone even if Tattoo is quite worse than Euphoria.

Fairytale by Rybak however, doesn't have the same star power so it's a given he flopped. Rip. Although in my opinion, That's How You Write A Song (what the fuck is that title lmao) is absolute garbage and sucks so much more than Tattoo.

 

[-Jack-]

Jesus lmao....

Yeah, Norway sending Alexander Rybak a second time and bombing is a good reason why that's a coinflip that only worked for Loreen. And I like Heroes but...yeah the sauna dudes saved Sweden from embarrassing itself. Måns even hosted the ESC the year after he won so idk why he's bitching. Maybe he's jelly of Loreen.

I don't like Euphoria, but it is one of the ESC's most popular winner songs so my feelings matter fuck all. Assuming they didn't rig the vote, it's highly likely that Loreen won based on pure nostalgia alone even if Tattoo is quite worse than Euphoria.

Fairytale by Rybak however, doesn't have the same star power so it's a given he flopped. Rip. Although in my opinion, That's How You Write A Song (what the fuck is that title lmao) is absolute garbage and sucks so much more than Tattoo.

Spoiler: TMI

I had such a crush on him back in the day

do we think they'll have that tranny sing at the concert next year?

 

[DenseDeerFather]

Spoiler: TMI

I had such a crush on him back in the day

do we think they'll have that tranny sing at the concert next year?

Nemo? No.

Drag Queen? 1000%. He's Austria's last win after all. And their most prolific.
Also about him being a troon.

Well sir, if you don't want people to think you're a troon, don't run around like one.

 

[Onni Kalsarikännit]

I do wonder how the votes would look if Israel and Ukraine (or any country in a current war) were not able to participate.

You are aware that Israel has won the ESC like 3 or 4 times before?

 

[Stoneheart]

Well sir, if you don't want people to think you're a troon, don't run around like one.

He is only an perv who likes to run around in womens dresses, thats very different from thinking you are a real and hones woman

 

[Flaggy but One]

You're exactly right. This is why I don't believe the audience vote is rigged.

I agree. The more I think about it I think it's likely the vote is genuine. Sure, it's easy to get yourself 80 votes if you're determined, but there's likely people doing that for other countries for all sorts of reasons. Either way eurovision makes more money. The other delegations complaining about that issue are missing the point and aren't going to get anywhere.
The bottom line is that Eurovision is currently functioning as a referendum on peoples' feelings towards Israel. Atm looks like the EBU and delegations are happy to just ride the circus out.

You are aware that Israel has won the ESC like 3 or 4 times before?

Fun fact, Israel won in 1998 with the first transwoman participant in the contest.

 

[Nopenopenope]

People are still big mad that Israel came in 2nd and want the results auditing:

Israel's Eurovision result prompts questions over voting

 

[DenseDeerFather]

I can only imagine how worse it's going to be in Austria next year, an Austrian friend of mine said their country/government is experiencing major financial issues.

So about this, articles over here, cited The Guardian, talk about how Austria is now worried about how they are gonna finance the whole thing. It's estimated to cost about €30,000,000 or $34,042,568.55.

Jesus fuck. Some choice quotes.

Side note: Stefanie Groiss-Horowitz is the broadcaster’s programme director for Austria's public service channel ORF.

Yikes.

What have you done, you little Filipino Philistine?

Also a member of the Danish jury has talked about whether or not the public vote should have less power to determine the winner or a jury is even needed. Not because of Israel, but because "there's a lack of agreement between the jury and the public"

Of course, the jury member says that having a jury is a very good idea.

He says that "It's important that a nuanced result with a degree of professionalism and subject knowledge is found in regards to a song contest", then says that "there's many non-musical factors that can influence the public's vote. Maybe a funny gimmick or huge publicity before the competition".

Then finally "For myself, as someone with a background in music, I pay attention to the composition and how the song is performed. If the song was performed and delivered properly, and if it has a sense of artistic meaning."

Have y'all been sleeping under a rock? Why are you so baffled that the jury and the public don't agree?

Edit: words and clarity.

 

[Sooty Soot]

Where India sir

 

[JockMcGrotty]

Top banter that cheating at the Eurovision Song Contest is the straw that broke the camel's back of European patience with Israeli genocide.

 

[Shroom King]

This year seemed a lot whiter than the past few years. I only saw one black person performing. The Jewess was good looking and could pass for a human. My rating: not even mad/10