Extremely specific Nintendo stupidity thread - The others are too general.

[Dammit Mandrake!]

Extremely specific Nintendo stupidity thread. The others are too general.

Is Shigeru Miyamoto at a point in his career where he has become more harmful to the creation of fun games? Is there a specific type of game he can still excel at in terms of bringing the classic Nintendo magic? Or have Katsuya Eguchi, Eiji Aonuma, Hisashi Nogami and Yoshiaki Koizumi superseded Shigeru Miyamoto? They are effectively the day-to-day managers of Nintendo EPD since Miyamoto became a "Creative Fellow" at Nintendo in 2015, becoming more of a consultant than a director. Not to mention Miyamoto's time largely being spent working on Super Nintendo World and his dream of Nintendo movies.

In this post-Miyamoto era at Nintendo, have the games been as fun and as innovative and have they retained the level of quality one has come to expect from a top-tier Nintendo production? And is the company in good hands now that its elder statesman has taken a back seat and allowed the next generation of creators to take the reigns of production?

And for our non-Nintendo fans that may be looking in: are there other companies that are going through a similar transition as their great developers from the previous era begin to grow older? How have they handled this changing of the guard and do you foresee continued success?

 

[Marissa Moira]

He killed the life source of Paper Mario and somehow had both Zelda and Mario Odyssey have awful collectables where before no other installment had this level of tedium. Yes even windwaker because the HD version fixed the statues.

There's way too much Nostalgia huffing, but it's like all Iwata Nintendo era Nostalgia huffing back when they sanitized everything. They've been coasting for far too long.

But when people are gushing over that awful Arceus game the bar is clearly set way too fucking low.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

Miyamoto is more of a concept guy. He's a well of creativity. He just can't be allowed to force games to regress based on his personal preferences. Stories in games are good, necessary for some genres. And not everything needs a gimmick. He needs to be told no, but tapping into his wacky old school Japanese creativity is important for Nintendo, imo.

 

[Gender: Xenomorph]

IMO Nintendo lost its Nintendo magic since the WiiU...

 

[Sharkbait]

To be honest, the last Nintendo product I owned was a Nintendo 64. I assume it went downhill from there.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

To be honest, the last Nintendo product I owned was a Nintendo 64. I assume it went downhill from there.

GameCube was amazing. I have more nostalgia for N64 but NGC was better. It was a pretty sharp decline from there, especially if you can't tolerate the motion controls of the Wii.

 

[Overcast]

GameCube was amazing. I have more nostalgia for N64 but NGC was better. It was a pretty sharp decline from there, especially if you can't tolerate the motion controls of the Wii.

I'd argue the Wii had some gems. But compared to previous gens, it was massively saturated by shovelware to take advantage of the motion control craze.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

I'd argue the Wii had some gems. But compared to previous gens, it was massively saturated by shovelware to take advantage of the motion control craze.

It did, I just think it was the first time the games didn't seem to be as good. Sunshine & Wind Waker are better than Galaxy and Skyward Sword, just for a couple comparisons. Lack of F-Zero, inferior Metroid and Fire Emblem, etc...

I think Wii is good, it's just not as good as NGC, and the annoyance of motion controls can't be overstated.

 

[Dammit Mandrake!]

I'd argue the Wii had some gems. But compared to previous gens, it was massively saturated by shovelware to take advantage of the motion control craze.

The Wii had ExciteBots Trick Racing, which is one of the best games ever made. I'm completely serious.

 

[Marissa Moira]

The Wii had ExciteBots Trick Racing, which is one of the best games ever made. I'm completely serious.

Beetle Adventure Racing was better.

 

[Dammit Mandrake!]

But when people are gushing over that awful Arceus game the bar is clearly set way too fucking low.

Game Freak is a whole other can of worms. I have no idea why Nintendo hasn't sat them down at a table and told them to get their shit together. They've been making the same game for decade, except not in the good way like Dragon Quest.

 

[DDBCAE CBAADCBE]

I'd argue the Wii had some gems. But compared to previous gens, it was massively saturated by shovelware to take advantage of the motion control craze.

I think the Wii regardless of its library will always be remembered fondly for its motion controls in spite of how iffy they could be sometimes. They really spearheaded the trend and reminded the gaming world why Nintendo once wore the crown in the console wars so long ago.

The Wii U by comparison was a disaster, it’s only redeeming quality in my opinion being that you could use your 3DS as a controller. Otherwise it felt like just another Wii with less functionality.

The switch compounds this problem, having dumped nearly all the fun apps once offered by its predecessor in favor of a few subscription services that will allow you to access the very limited internet functionality and some retro games.

 

[Grub]

Is Shigeru Miyamoto at a point in his career where he has become more harmful to the creation of fun games?

Shigeru Miyamoto Spent A Lot Of Time Climbing Trees In Zelda: Breath Of The Wild

"He just kept climbing trees. Up and down"

www.nintendolife.com

We put rupees at the top of the tree to let them know that this is something we're taking into account, but I didn't tell them. All I did was say, 'Here, play the game.' So the first thing [Miyamoto] did was start climbing, and he climbed the tree, and once he was able to do that and see that he can go anywhere within this small field, he got how this game will play out and that's how I presented it to him.

When we first presented this to Mr. Miyamoto, he spent about an hour just climbing trees. We left little treats like rupees on the trees, but we also left other things in other places we thought he might go. But he just kept climbing trees. Up and down. And so we got to the point where we go, 'Do you want to look at other stuff?' But he just kept on going. Once [he] got out of the Shrine of Resurrection, he spent an hour just within a 25-50 meter radius outside of that cave just climbing trees.

Yes.

 

[Marissa Moira]

Shigeru Miyamoto Spent A Lot Of Time Climbing Trees In Zelda: Breath Of The Wild

"He just kept climbing trees. Up and down"

www.nintendolife.com

Yes.

You see at least americans show people mountains that they can climb.

 

[Dom Cruise]

The Switch has been Nintendo at their best since the GameCube, they lost me with the Wii and Wii U, but Super Mario Odyssey and Breath of The Wild blew my ass away.

I don't know what influence Miyamoto has had on this one way or the other, I think it'd be cool if he spearheaded one last major game though.

 

[Dunsparce]

Game Freak is a whole other can of worms. I have no idea why Nintendo hasn't sat them down at a table and told them to get their shit together. They've been making the same game for decade, except not in the good way like Dragon Quest.

I've brought this up many times before, but Nintendo merely funds the Pokemon games and has no hand in making them. Game Freak is a 3rd party company that can make games for non-Nintendo systems(and they have, both pre and post Pokemon).

The reason why Pokemon is partially owned by Nintendo, was because they got a share of the rights in return for helping Red and Green get finally completed(work started in 1990 and it was in a six-year development hell that caused one third of Game Freak's staff to quit)

 

[FlipTopBox]

Game Freak is a whole other can of worms. I have no idea why Nintendo hasn't sat them down at a table and told them to get their shit together. They've been making the same game for decade, except not in the good way like Dragon Quest.

Why would Nintendo want them to change anything? Pokemon is one of the most successful media franchises of all time and brings in a shit ton of money.

 

[Dunsparce]

Why would Nintendo want them to change anything? Pokemon is one of the most successful media franchises of all time and brings in a shit ton of money.

It's actually THE largest, not one of the largest, media franchise or all time in terms of money made. The majority of the money Pokemon makes is not from the games, anime, or TCG, but the merchandise and toy sales. The games are, from a business perspective, mostly a vehicle used to introduce new Pokemon to turn into merchandise, though they still make up around 10% of the revenue.

Also the newest games, Sword and Shield, are at this rate going to surpass Gold and Silver in lifetime sales by the time the switch is replaced with its successor, thus becoming the 2nd-best selling games in the series, currently they have only sold a small smidge less. Due to this, I highly doubt that Nintendo will tell Game Freak to do anything different.

 

[Dammit Mandrake!]

Because Pokemon games could be significantly better with a few minor changes that wouldn't make the games less accessible or fun for normies.

 

[Jason Wynn]

The GameCube was the last time I was really excited for a Nintendo product. I couldn’t stand the Wi and ended up giving it away to a family member after less than a year. The DS was ok but still got nothing more than a lukewarm response from me. Never had a 3DS and the legion of soyfaced consoomers that seem to be the Switch’s fanbase have turned me off of getting that (the few times I’ve played a Switch game I wasn’t that invested in it either)

Eh, might see if I can find a used 3DS and give that a try, or see if there’s a decent emulator for it. Just can’t get into Nintendo like I used to