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Someone mentioned Final Fantasy XIV and I found this and thought it was very relevant:
https://twitter.com/gamasutra/status/446418234632192000
https://twitter.com/gamasutra/status/446418234632192000
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That 3rd point really sticks out. If I have to wait for patches to play the game, then why bother getting it now instead of a year or so later? That's still a major issue with Paradox games, just wait for them to "mature" a couple of years. Then you get all the autismos rushing out to by this jank day one (or even preorder), thus rewarding this shitty behavior.
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If you aren't aware of the FFXIV story, the "old" FFXIV team botched the release of FFXIV so bad that Square eventually stopped charging for the game and brought in someone to "fix" it. After he fixed the game (painstakingly over a year or two) this was his "after-action" report of what the company had done to ensure failure with one of their largest IPs.
Not on that slide but another very important thing that came from that report was the idea behind the rebuild, Yoshida (the "fixer") had stated that if they left FFXIV as-is, some people would play it and everyone would eventually forget about it; but they would alienate their base of hardcore fans and it would be near impossible to regain that trust if they left them high and dry with a shoddy product; especially said fans that were still actively defending square/FFXIV on social media when they had no real right to be defended.
This was the idea that convinced the Square board of directors to move ahead with "A Realm Reborn" and a costly multi-year relaunch of FFXIV, which went on to be very successful to this day.
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Weird isn't it? Not treating your fans with contempt and assume you'll be forever able to munch off ill-placed brand loyalty and instead valuing them and trying to make them enjoy your products for being well-made and tailored to their tastes.
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I agree, and I think FFXIV is a great "developer righting a ship veering off-course" story; but FFXIV at launch wasn't as bad as Fallout 76 is. They way they recovered was genius but it took a large amount of man hours and effort to keep the existing game afloat while building a new one in the background.
Fallout 76 I don't really think it very salvageable; there really isn't anything there to salvage. Not only that but I don't think Bethesda is capable of doing so, as they haven't done so for previous titles (Fallout 3, 4, Skyrim have been patched/maintained by fans instead of Bethesda).
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The really weird thing is people will defend a game they don't enjoy and a company they don't intend to support in the future all without realizing it.
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Because they don't want the IP to die.
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I'm not sure how true that is. I think the few people defending it actually enjoy the game and it isn't that weird to be honest. Don't get me wrong, the game and company seem like absolute dogshit but there a lot of games that weirdly have an audience.
FFXIV 1.0 was one, but people still play Everquest, Anarchy Online, Ragnarok Online, Phantasy Star Online, Maplestory, Star Wars : Galaxies, and Runescape despite how old, busted, and sometimes borderline illegal (emulation) those are. Some people are capable of enjoying anything.
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Defending utter shit to keep an IP alive is a dumb idea. It only brings disrepute on the brand and makes the possibility of a revival harder later because the redemption it has to do gets harder to accomplish to overcome it's earlier dogshit reputation.
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So you see plastic as some super epic shit? You absolute fucking cucks
They describe the damn thing as if they had to engineer a fucking rocket
"It would have cost 2x as much if we just used glass"
Too bad. You're already charging people 80 dollars for this. Give them the product you promised.
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So bottle cucks don't even get pity atoms for a pretend apology 
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https://gamerant.com/the-elder-scrolls-6-release-date-2019/
https://comicbook.com/gaming/2019/01/02/the-elder-scrolls-6-release-date-2019-rumor/
Not sure how reliable this is, but I've been seeing people talk about Bethesda supposedly rushing the release of The Elder Scrolls VI for 2019 in a desperate attempt to salvage their reputation. Take it with a spoonful of salt, but if true, this will only lead to a rush development full of problems. Imagine the chaos if VI turns out to be a disaster. Their biggest IP getting fucked over would even knock that smug grin off Pete Hines' face.
https://comicbook.com/gaming/2019/01/02/the-elder-scrolls-6-release-date-2019-rumor/
Not sure how reliable this is, but I've been seeing people talk about Bethesda supposedly rushing the release of The Elder Scrolls VI for 2019 in a desperate attempt to salvage their reputation. Take it with a spoonful of salt, but if true, this will only lead to a rush development full of problems. Imagine the chaos if VI turns out to be a disaster. Their biggest IP getting fucked over would even knock that smug grin off Pete Hines' face.
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Bethesda has insane technical debt - they keep using their "creation engine" for new stuff (this is what fucked Fallout 76) and it has all sorts of hilarious bugs like physics being tied to framerate, etc. They're planning on using the creation engine for Starfield and ES6, probably because the projects were started using it and switching the engine would delay the projects by years, and frankly there is no amount of time they can spend on fixing that shit to make the games not buggy messes, so they're probably internally starting a "let's make a not retarded game engine" project while pushing Starfield and ES6 out the door to try to make the money in the interim.
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FTFY
They have learn nothing so far, and they will learn nothing even then
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While I would like to see Bethesda punished for this, it would be a shame to see both the Elder Scrolls series and the Fallout series die with the company.
I just had another thought. What if EA smelled blood and decided that Bethesda was the next company they wanted to devour for it's IPs...
I just had another thought. What if EA smelled blood and decided that Bethesda was the next company they wanted to devour for it's IPs...
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Bethesda's already lost tons of fans and trust, probably alongside lots of funding and industry connections, I think they've already been punished for being massive idiots.
Don't watch because you hope they'll suffer, watch so you can laugh at them being spergs and throwing their legacy away
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What really gets me about the bottle is how insanely bulky it is due to the plastic shell compared to the amount of liquid actually inside the bottle.
I'm not sure you'd even be allowed to sell that in Germany in a store since the size of the bottle suggests a far larger amount of rum than there actually is.
And it looks cheap as fuck in the videos and photos, so what chance does it have once you hold it in your hands?
It tasting like paint thinner with artificial coconut flavour is just icing on the cake.
Either way, I like to imagine some poor sod at Bethesda working on ES6 frantically going through ancient Rolodexes and phone lists, yanking out a piece of paper, dashing to the phone and after finally getting through to the other person - bullets of sweat running down his face - sputtering "Y-yeah... this is James from Bethesda, head programmer for the next Elder Scrolls, you worked for our company in the... geez... 90s... and... you know. When you wrote part of the engine, you made a comment in the code about a bug, do you remember whether there was a solution to it later on? Are you still there? Hello? He- Hello?"
And given how shitty the products turned out that Bethesda is making, a hiatus and a change of IP holders might not even be that bad tbh.
I mean, when there's a choice between shitty games that tarnish the reputation and drag it into wrong directions vs. no games at all, I would pick the latter in a heartbeat.
And who knows, maybe someone picks up the IP who knows how to programm in an engine that doesn't suck shit through a straw.
I'm not sure you'd even be allowed to sell that in Germany in a store since the size of the bottle suggests a far larger amount of rum than there actually is.
And it looks cheap as fuck in the videos and photos, so what chance does it have once you hold it in your hands?
It tasting like paint thinner with artificial coconut flavour is just icing on the cake.
Either way, I like to imagine some poor sod at Bethesda working on ES6 frantically going through ancient Rolodexes and phone lists, yanking out a piece of paper, dashing to the phone and after finally getting through to the other person - bullets of sweat running down his face - sputtering "Y-yeah... this is James from Bethesda, head programmer for the next Elder Scrolls, you worked for our company in the... geez... 90s... and... you know. When you wrote part of the engine, you made a comment in the code about a bug, do you remember whether there was a solution to it later on? Are you still there? Hello? He- Hello?"
IPs like that don't die, they might be on hiatus at worst.
And given how shitty the products turned out that Bethesda is making, a hiatus and a change of IP holders might not even be that bad tbh.
I mean, when there's a choice between shitty games that tarnish the reputation and drag it into wrong directions vs. no games at all, I would pick the latter in a heartbeat.
And who knows, maybe someone picks up the IP who knows how to programm in an engine that doesn't suck shit through a straw.
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Literally nothing about that product inspires awe; namely the fact that the plastic will clearly rot/degrade since you know they used the cheapest shit available. I do have to also back up that you don't even get the amount that the bottle suggests, meaning even if you wanted that rotgut swill not even hobos would drink, you'd get less of it than you should. That the contracted company and Shithesda can't seemingly apologize and still think that they won't have shit sales for their next few games is telling of how dumb they think their consumers are/were."We determined glass bottles alone would not have been dramatic enough for the look we wanted"
So you see plastic as some super epic shit? You absolute fucking cucks
They describe the damn thing as if they had to engineer a fucking rocket
"It would have cost 2x as much if we just used glass"
Too bad. You're already charging people 80 dollars for this. Give them the product you promised.
Probably gonna double down and go bankrupt too since they won't course correct even then; rushing ESVI will just mean I get to see reviewers crucify it in all of its glory and watch as the company shuts down due to their tardation.
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You know how in the Cthulhu Mythos, Azathoth is described as a 'continuous nuclear detonation at the center of reality'?
This is kinda like that, but it's a trainwreck that never fucking ends.
The institutional arrogance at Bethesda must rival 1980's Atari levels.
This is kinda like that, but it's a trainwreck that never fucking ends.
The institutional arrogance at Bethesda must rival 1980's Atari levels.