Fallout series

[MightyBiteySnake]

I would have loved to see a new “brotherhood of steel”-like faction with a new backstory and aesthetic.

But clearly that’s asking too much of the writers at Bethesda

 

[Burned Man]

Not interested talking about internal consistency in a series with talking zombies

Excuse me but the term is Ghouls. You need to check your bigotry at the door smoothskin.

I would have loved to see a new “brotherhood of steel”-like faction with a new backstory and aesthetic.

But clearly that’s asking too much of the writers at Bethesda

It would have been pretty easy to have a BOS like group of US army remnants. That way you have a group of people with better weapons,tech, and training with some core values and morals while still keeping the cannon and being able to explore something new. My guess is they won't be crazy enough to explain them as being the original Brotherhood from the west coast but some other army unit that Maxson inexplicably got into radio contact with and turned to his side.

 

[Ruin]

The pre release buzz and pre order numbers for 76 are awful and the last attempt to take a beloved franchise and turn it into a micro transaction cash grab hell (Metal Gear Survive) flopped hard but Todd Howard is such an out of touch hack he'll probably conclude the reason it failed is that it didn't have enough micro transactions. Sadly I think Fallout is yet another in a long line storied franchises that will be whored out relentlessly and then dumped when the quality drops so low no one will want to buy it.

 

[SiccDicc]

Asian Sterling talking about Fallout 76 fucking with the lore and Pete Hines being the douche nozzle he always is, my words not his, but mostly that they're fucking with the lore:

Personally, I dunno what people expected from Bethesda since they don't even respect their created IP's lore -- looking at you Elder Scrolls. Hell, not even Blizzard does anymore.

 

[millais]

With all this talk of lore raping, maybe it's some consolation that total conversion FNV mod, Fallout: New California, is coming out later this month too.

 

[Medicated]

The pre release buzz and pre order numbers for 76 are awful and the last attempt to take a beloved franchise and turn it into a micro transaction cash grab hell (Metal Gear Survive) flopped hard but Todd Howard is such an out of touch hack he'll probably conclude the reason it failed is that it didn't have enough micro transactions. Sadly I think Fallout is yet another in a long line storied franchises that will be whored out relentlessly and then dumped when the quality drops so low no one will want to buy it.

I think RDR2 and Fortnite is stealing a lot of the thunder. Then you have the players that ask the first thing about the game, is "can I mod it" they aren't really interested in the gameplay as much as turning it into their own modded themepark. I haven't preordered it because I'm interested in more info before its released.

 

[Nazi vegeta]

It is fucking amazing that bethesda still has so many loyal fanboys.
Like, how the fuck do they manage that, with all the shitty things they like to pull off?

 

[Billy_Sama]

I am not interested in any Bethesda Fallout games until Obsidian gets a hold of the engine and makes a more engaging game.

 

[ES 148]

Fallout? More like Borelout.
I take cheques.

 

[Alfons Schmitler]

Asian Sterling talking about Fallout 76 fucking with the lore and Pete Hines being the douche nozzle he always is, my words not his, but mostly that they're fucking with the lore:

Personally, I dunno what people expected from Bethesda since they don't even respect their created IP's lore -- looking at you Elder Scrolls. Hell, not even Blizzard does anymore.

 

[GethN7]

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That's just stupid.

It's like suddenly saying "The Elder Scrolls always had a modern day civilization with smartphones and the Internet, we just hadn't depicted them till now".

Sure, they have have steampunk Dwemer stuff, but that doesn't break lore and pretty standard to the setting, and they were all over the place in some form or fashion. But you are just asking way too damn much for even a fantasy setting to ask fans to buy something THAT lorebreaking.

On on more related to the particular lore breaking note F76 is setting, it's as dumb as Super Robot Wars Alpha 3 including Gundam SEED in their crossover when they had already established the world setting had a Universal/After Colony Gundam setting for the past three games (1, Alpha Gaiden, 2), and lazily tried to claim "it was always there, we just never showed anything about it till now".

If Hines is really this arrogant, I'm stunned. There is taking liberties with your lore, then there is utterly disregarding it in manner one cannot suspend their disbelief to buy even if the universe is weird as hell by default.

 

[vertexwindi]

I mean in a way I can understand Hines not caring because he's just marketing, but then again you'd think he'd just say "I'll pass it off to the team" and leave it at that. The only real writer they have for the FO series is Emil Pagliarulo who has already made it clear he gives zero fucks about lore, continuity, a good story that makes sense, interesting characters or any of that nerd shit fans care about.

 

[Medicated]

If Hines is really this arrogant, I'm stunned. There is taking liberties with your lore, then there is utterly disregarding it in manner one cannot suspend their disbelief to buy even if the universe is weird as hell by default.

You're kidding right? It's practically in the job description if you want to work at a major game studio in the US today you have to be the most arrogant "go fuck yourself" guy there is. Only difference is, most of the time the PR tell them to smile through clenched teeth. The whole bunch of guys that think they are king shit because they work on a videogame.

Here's the Blizzard staff chatting about the lead for Diablo 2 saying what things he would've changed about D3 in an article.

 

[GethN7]

You're kidding right? It's practically in the job description if you want to work at a major game studio in the US today you have to be the most arrogant "go fuck yourself" guy there is. Only difference is, most of the time the PR tell them to smile through clenched teeth. The whole bunch of guys that think they are king shit because they work on a videogame.

Here's the Blizzard staff chatting about the lead for Diablo 2 saying what things he would've changed about D3 in an article.

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Wow, what a bunch of jackasses.

But seriously, I get arrogance is a job requirement, but Diablo III sucked ass compared to II, so that's just ironic as hell.

On a more relevant note, pride in your product is one thing, but refusal to listen to rational complaints from fans is a sure guarantee you'll run a franchise into the ground.

In this case, while the kid in a fridge quest in Fallout 4 was "WTF?", it was one minor discordant note in a game where most of the major stuff didn't defy the lore established from everything that came before it, and Fallout is a very lore based series, given its basis on a divergence from actual history, where several events are precise down to an exact time and date.

In this case, they are defying a precedent that was clearly established since day one, which is that the Brotherhood of Steel was formed in Mariposa Military Base and only later spread elsewhere, and that took several decades to centuries.

While the ghoul kid in a fridge is a WTF moment concerning how ghouls work, it's stupid but forgivable ultimately as a minor one off bit of crap writing. Disregarding a precedent established through the first game and reinforced by everything that came after just for the hell of it is another.

Fallout 3 was criticized for it's divergences, but it least the divergences they made, in all major particulars, are reasonably plausible given the time in which they are stated to have occurred. F76 having the BoS be somewhere at a point in time they could not reasonably be and trying to call it canon makes no sense and is spitting in the face of consistency.

 

[byuu]

I can't get upset at F76 directly contradicting the lore.
Since FO3, I'm already used to Bethesda not giving a shit about things making sense.
They could come up with some awful hand-wave like the BoS time-travelled there and I wouldn't bat an eye.

And for me, the worst way Bethesda fucks with Fallout is the loss of many RPG mechanics.
Fallout 1 defined modern CRPGs for me, FO4 gives you 4 different ways to say 'yes' and every character plays the same.

 

[Ghostapplesause]

Bethesda tweeted out a responded and it isn't the worst explanation I was fearing.

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They did have radios in the Lost Hills bunker, but it still feels contrived and askes a lot of questions. For example, why would military units from West Virginia take orders to form an anti-technology undemocratic group stuck in California? Among other questions.

 

[Mola Ram]

They did have radios in the Lost Hills bunker, but it still feels contrived and askes a lot of questions. For example, why would military units from West Virginia take orders to form an anti-technology undemocratic group stuck in California? Among other questions.

It stands to reason that they shared the info that made them desert in the first place -- the FEV experiments.

Not that this is going to convince me to buy this pile of shit, but it's nice there's some concession to the lore.

 

[GethN7]

Bethesda tweeted out a responded and it isn't the worst explanation I was fearing.
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They did have radios in the Lost Hills bunker, but it still feels contrived and askes a lot of questions. For example, why would military units from West Virginia take orders to form an anti-technology undemocratic group stuck in California? Among other questions.

This elevates things from utterly impossible to highly implausible at least.

It's incredibly convoluted, but assuming Maxson broadcasted the truth of the FEV experiments and urged other military personnel to revolt, it's vaguely possible BoS like groups did appear elsewhere besides California, but it still stretches verisimilitude pretty damn far.

On the other hand, at least it's paying slight lip service to the lore, which is better than "Just because", as a reason for the BoS being in West Viginia 20 years after the nukes.

 

[Ruin]

Why is there "lore" in Fallout 76 at all? It's an always online Battle Royale game with no side quests or NPCs at all apart from other players.

 

[Mola Ram]

Why is there "lore" in Fallout 76 at all? It's an always online Battle Royale game with no side quests or NPCs at all apart from other players.

Because that's the only way they're going to get the grognards interested in it. You'd hate to think you missed out on the story and world you've been following since 1997, right?

I mean, the gameplay's not gonna do it, from what we've seen so far.