Fallout series

[LORD IMPERATOR]

"No I didn't say those exact words, I just bitched how old fallout fags never make anything and that rancid garbage like Frontier is admirable, cause atleast it got made, cause it means they tried to make something unlike complaining oldfags"

Blow it out your ass, faggot.

Glad to see you can be civil.

lol, first nobody makes anything, then it doesn't count 'cause muh country, nice quadruple backflip there autismo
the "why didn't they just make Fallout 69 yourselfs HUH??"non argument makes you look like you have the mental capacity of a 12 year old

seethe harder, maybe you should've done a 3 second google search before typing farcical bullshit

Again, answer the question. Are most NMA fans from the Czech Republic or Russia? Because if the answer is neither, then yes, my point stands, and the NMA twats are lazy bums.

yeah right, shove that goalpost up your ass and dilate, schizo

What goalpost? You're acting like the work of some foreigners counts for the NMA fans at all. Which, unless the NMA fans come from Russia or the Czech Republic, means that it doesn't count, since they didn't do it.

Maybe you're the one who should have done that 3 second google search.

 

[Mega Black]

I'm surprised at how few worthwhile mods there seem to be for FO4. Most of my current modlist is largely adding in old, missing equipment from previous Fallout entries, improving the graphics, and some various tweaks & fixes.

You can chalk this up to the voiced protagonist and the boring as fuck setting. Unlike New Vegas or Skyrim, there isn't a good central conflict to build new stories or quests around.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

You can chalk this up to the voiced protagonist and the boring as fuck setting. Unlike New Vegas or Skyrim, there isn't a good central conflict to build new stories or quests around.

They really went full in with the settlement building and radiant quests for that one.

 

[Anachronistic]

yeah right, shove that goalpost up your ass and dilate, schizo

What is your NMA username and why is it Norzan?

 

[capitalBBustard]

Glad to see you can be civil.


Again, answer the question. Are most NMA fans from the Czech Republic or Russia? Because if the answer is neither, then yes, my point stands, and the NMA twats are lazy bums.


What goalpost? You're acting like the work of some foreigners counts for the NMA fans at all. Which, unless the NMA fans come from Russia or the Czech Republic, means that it doesn't count, since they didn't do it.

Maybe you're the one who should have done that 3 second google search.

cope harder, first you say old fallout fags don't do anything, literally saying they don't even make muh fan fixes, and now that you've been told they did do both you start sperging about muh countries

cheers, you were wrong, are wrong, fuck off

What is your NMA username and why is it Norzan?

yes

 

[Shidoen]

This looks worse than my lore sperg in the Elder Scrolls thread

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

cope harder, first you say old fallout fags don't do anything, literally saying they don't even make muh fan fixes, and now that you've been told they did do both you start sperging about muh countries

cheers, you were wrong, are wrong, fuck off

You failed to answer the question, you keep dodging it, so I suppose the answer is YES, the NMA twats are lazy bums. Especially when foreigners have to make full game mods for them.

This looks worse than my lore sperg in the Elder Scrolls thread

Elder Scrolls lore always seems more airtight than Fallout lore.

Fallout lore leaves questions unanswered on purpose, like who launched the nukes (China or Vault-Tec) or who won the war in the Mojave. (House/NCR/Legion)

Although I'm pretty sure they'll pick a winner for the Skyrim Civil War in the next Fallout game. Unless they go the KOTOR 2 route and make it so that you can choose which one won and get slight dialogue and character variations for it.

 

[ScurvyRat]

I'll never forgive bethesda for fallout 76
They effectively killed the whole franchise by releasing a buggy, broken ass game with a shit ton of microtransactions. The absolute fucking retards at Zenimax just see a fallout game failing and will probably never greenlight any new entries in the franchise.
I wish they could just give the IP to Obsidian to do something with, but Outer Wilds sucked ass too. Doesn't seem like they'd be able to revive the franchise since they just don't make good games anymore.

R.I.P Fallout. I will always love you

 

[Saturnalia-1918]

One thing that annoys me is people acting like Fallout has always been this multiple choice, grey versus grey morality when really it hasn't.

Fallout 1's main conflict is either you stop the green orcs from kidnapping and transforming people or turn the whole human race into a sterile population that wouldn't last a generation. A binary choice.

Fallout 2 is about stopping genocidal lunatics (Enclave) from releasing a super virus that kills everyone in the world besides those on the oil rig. A binary choice.

Fallout 3 is about stopping the Enclave again, this time preventing them from literally poisoning the waterhole that would otherwise revitalize the Capital Wasteland (they try to add some variety by saying Colonel Autumn is against President Eden's new attempt at genocide, but by the time comes to put the poison in or not Autumn lost his army and the decision is null)

Fallout New Vegas does have that multiple choice that people claim has always been part of the franchise. Even then, it's not grey vs grey rather grey vs black. The Legion, although efficient, does not lend to a nuanced "grey" side as they are a faction built on mass slavery, misogyny, and genocide (both cultural and literal).

Fallout 4 is the second Fallout game with a multiple choice ending but still falls in the New Vegas trap. The Institute are a group of sociopathic scientists responsible for Commonwealth Super Mutants, the University Point massacre, Synth abduction and replacement, and the infiltration of Diamond City leadership. To argue that the Institute is a "grey" faction is to ignore their blatant and continuous atrocities

I have not played Fallout 76

 

[CWCissey]

The Institute are a group of sociopathic scientists responsible for Commonwealth Super Mutants, the University Point massacre, Synth abduction and replacement, and the infiltration of Diamond City leadership. To argue that the Institute is a "grey" faction is to ignore their blatant and continuous atrocities

And yet somehow they are still better than the SJWs in the Railroad, Maxon and his Meet Me At McDonald's haircut and Preston 'Lemme At That Map Mo'fucka' Garvey.

 

[Shidoen]

One thing that annoys me is people acting like Fallout has always been this multiple choice, grey versus grey morality when really it hasn't.

Fallout 1's main conflict is either you stop the green orcs from kidnapping and transforming people or turn the whole human race into a sterile population that wouldn't last a generation. A binary choice.

Fallout 2 is about stopping genocidal lunatics (Enclave) from releasing a super virus that kills everyone in the world besides those on the oil rig. A binary choice.

Fallout 3 is about stopping the Enclave again, this time preventing them from literally poisoning the waterhole that would otherwise revitalize the Capital Wasteland (they try to add some variety by saying Colonel Autumn is against President Eden's new attempt at genocide, but by the time comes to put the poison in or not Autumn lost his army and the decision is null)

Fallout New Vegas does have that multiple choice that people claim has always been part of the franchise. Even then, it's not grey vs grey rather grey vs black. The Legion, although efficient, does not lend to a nuanced "grey" side as they are a faction built on mass slavery, misogyny, and genocide (both cultural and literal).

Fallout 4 is the second Fallout game with a multiple choice ending but still falls in the New Vegas trap. The Institute are a group of sociopathic scientists responsible for Commonwealth Super Mutants, the University Point massacre, Synth abduction and replacement, and the infiltration of Diamond City leadership. To argue that the Institute is a "grey" faction is to ignore their blatant and continuous atrocities

I have not played Fallout 76

The legion is grey in terms of if you view the mass slavery as beneficial for a wasteland.

 

[CWCissey]

The legion is grey in terms of if you view the mass slavery as beneficial for a wasteland.

Considering Legion land is mostly bandit free is a massive plus. Traders will openly tell you that.

 

[Shidoen]

Considering Legion land is mostly bandit free is a massive plus. Traders will openly tell you that.

A libertarians dream of free waifus.

 

[Saturnalia-1918]

Considering Legion land is mostly bandit free is a massive plus. Traders will openly tell you that.

But at the expense of Legion territory being a ticking time bomb waiting to explode once Caeser inevitably kicks the bucket. They've sacrificed temporary peace at the cost of long term stability that cannot endure past the lifetime of a single dictator.

 

[Shidoen]

But at the expense of Legion territory being a ticking time bomb waiting to explode once Caeser inevitably kicks the bucket. They've sacrificed temporary peace at the cost of long term stability that cannot endure past the lifetime of a single dictator.

What’s to say those same territories won’t take the legions example and form their own city states, like Rome.

 

[Saturnalia-1918]

What’s to say those same territories won’t take the legions example and form their own city states, like Rome.

The very culture that the Legion has been cultivating under Caeser. The Legion has consistently fostered an identity of might makes right and constant expansion that promotes brutes like Lanius into positions of power. When the Legion's central control fails at the inevitable death of Caeser and Lanius (both very mortal and killable men) the only Roman example that Legion officers will follow is taking their personal armies and battling it out for control of throne.

 

[Shidoen]

The very culture that the Legion has been cultivating under Caeser. The Legion has consistently fostered an identity of might makes right and constant expansion that promotes brutes like Lanius into positions of power. When the Legion's central control fails at the inevitable death of Caeser and Lanius (both very mortal and killable men) the only Roman example that Legion officers will follow is taking their personal armies and battling it out for control of throne.

Proof or is a wasteland Byzantine Empire too far-fetched?

 

[Saturnalia-1918]

Proof or is a wasteland Byzantine Empire too far-fetched?

I would like a wasteland Byzantine Empire to emerge from the Legion, but the leading figures of the Legion make that unlikely.

Lanius, the direct successor of Caeser, proves to be brutal and shortsighted. The endings where he commands the Legion showcases him wasting lives and resources in pointless and bloody conflicts such as their attempts to kill the Enclave Remnants or the Boomers. He even expresses distaste for the Frumentarii and their methods despite such methods resulting in massive Legion victories and allowing the Legion to catch NCR off guard on multiple fronts in the Battle of Hoover Dam. Finally Lanius caps off his conquest with unnecessary mass killings and enslavements that not even Caeser would enact, showing that Lanius would only continue the worst excesses of the Legion with no indication of reform or preventing a power struggle upon his death.

If future developers want, they could introduce a new character to radically reform the Legion into a Neo Byzantine Empire, but I think it have to be a previously unseen Legion character back East we haven't seen in New Vegas.

 

[Snekposter]

I would like a wasteland Byzantine Empire to emerge from the Legion, but the leading figures of the Legion make that unlikely.

Lanius, the direct successor of Caeser, proves to be brutal and shortsighted. The endings where he commands the Legion showcases him wasting lives and resources in pointless and bloody conflicts such as their attempts to kill the Enclave Remnants or the Boomers. He even expresses distaste for the Frumentarii and their methods despite such methods resulting in massive Legion victories and allowing the Legion to catch NCR off guard on multiple fronts in the Battle of Hoover Dam. Finally Lanius caps off his conquest with unnecessary mass killings and enslavements that not even Caeser would enact, showing that Lanius would only continue the worst excesses of the Legion with no indication of reform or preventing a power struggle upon his death.

If future developers want, they could introduce a new character to radically reform the Legion into a Neo Byzantine Empire, but I think it have to be a previously unseen Legion character back East we haven't seen in New Vegas.

For my spergings I always went with Lucius. Head of Caesar's Praetorians, too respected by anyone to be challenged to the death for his spot despite a total of 13 years of service as a Praetorian, plus his combat years as a mere Legionary, and most importantly, not particularly young.

He's the one who sends you on the quest to fix the howitzer, so he has an appreciation for firepower despite his "Caesar says to use melee weapons" attitudes, so I always saw him as the one to build a New Roman Republic. Thesis, antithesis, synthesis. Just not quite the one Caesar intended.

 

[Shidoen]

For my spergings I always went with Lucius. Head of Caesar's Praetorians, too respected by anyone to be challenged to the death for his spot despite a total of 13 years of service as a Praetorian, plus his combat years as a mere Legionary, and most importantly, not particularly young.
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He's the one who sends you on the quest to fix the howitzer, so he has an appreciation for firepower despite his "Caesar says to use melee weapons" attitudes, so I always saw him as the one to build a New Roman Republic. Thesis, antithesis, synthesis. Just not quite the one Caesar intended.

He's gonna get fat if he runs the wastelands Byzantine, I forsee it.