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I always figured that Little Lamplight is still populated with kids because wastelanders dump unwanted children or infants off there as kind of an unofficial orphanage. I mean, not everyone is going to keep their kid, and not everyone is going to be heartless enough to just abandon them to die.

As to the Children of Atom, I like to imagine that it's now kind of like the Abrahamic religions, with many different sects who believe radically different things. They all believe that the nuclear explosions that buttfucked the world are actually good, but not all of them believe in irradiating everybody. What if the ones in Boston are more or less radicals who were expelled from the Capitol Wastes because they kept attacking people and were fucking with the Church's reputation?
The issue is that the games do not really hint at this. Little Lamplight is literally some pre-war field trip troop of kids that's been going on for a century. When the bombs dropped is when it started. If it was maybe some settlements little storage bunker and the kids distrust adults because some Raider group killed their parents and tried to enslave them it make some more sense, or if it was literally some orphanage.
 
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The issue is that the games do not really hint at this. Little Lamplight is literally some pre-war field trip troop of kids that's been going on for a century. When the bombs dropped is when it started. If it was maybe some settlements little storage bunker and the kids distrust adults because some Raider group killed their parents and tried to enslave them it make some more sense, or if it was literally some orphanage.
Honestly, if the game really was supposed to take place 12 years after the war and they changed it mid production, then the lack of explanation makes sense. It's sloppy, tho. They really should have tried to make SOME sort of explanation as to why there are still a colony of kids there 200 years after the original group. Like, a simple encounter of a woman leaving her child at the gate telling them that this is a better life for them, only to walk out in the wastes and eventually get killed after leaving Lamplight. Then you at least get the idea that this is a sort of orphanage for desperate wastelanders.
 
Honestly, if the game really was supposed to take place 12 years after the war and they changed it mid production, then the lack of explanation makes sense. It's sloppy, tho. They really should have tried to make SOME sort of explanation as to why there are still a colony of kids there 200 years after the original group. Like, a simple encounter of a woman leaving her child at the gate telling them that this is a better life for them, only to walk out in the wastes and eventually get killed after leaving Lamplight. Then you at least get the idea that this is a sort of orphanage for desperate wastelanders.

There is a hint of this in that you can bring Bryan Wilks, the sole survivor of Grayditch, to Little Lamplight instead of his aunt, but it really needed to be fleshed out more. As it stands, the implications of how they go about replenishing their population is ... troubling, to say the least.
 
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What was the point of the crashed alien ship in Fallout 4? Was it just an easy quest to give the player a new weapon or did Todd have a plot for it that got scrapped?
 
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Oh man, I hope it has tons of heccin' self aware quips!

"Uh... is that guy wearing Enclave power armor? Yikes, talk about a bad look..."
"So... let me get this straight. You want me, a vault dweller, to wander out into a nuclear hellscape full of fire, radiation, and God only knows what else, to find a water chip? Or else we're all gonna die? Whew, no pressure..."
"Hey! I'm a Brotherhood of Steel Paladin, so leave your sexist BULLCRAP at the door!"
"Man, war really doesn't change, huh?"
if the game really was supposed to take place 12 years after the war and they changed it mid production, then the lack of explanation makes sense.
This is really the only way I can rationalize a lot of the retarded shit in Fallout 3. If you just shift the clock back to 10 years after the bombs fell the whole game makes so much more sense.
What was the point of the crashed alien ship in Fallout 4? Was it just an easy quest to give the player a new weapon or did Todd have a plot for it that got scrapped?
It's just another reference to Fallout 3. Bethesda added The Zetans to the lore with 3 and it's basically just the same thing as in that game. There's a crashed alien ship that's hard to find and full of radiation that gives you the alien blaster. Same shtick, it's meant to get you to clap and fart and shit yourself all over because you recognize it from that other game you like.
 
It's just another reference to Fallout 3. Bethesda added The Zetans to the lore with 3 and it's basically just the same thing as in that game. There's a crashed alien ship that's hard to find and full of radiation that gives you the alien blaster. Same shtick, it's meant to get you to clap and fart and shit yourself all over because you recognize it from that other game you like.

In fairness, the FO3 crashed alien ship is itself a reference to the original Fallout, which had a dozen or so very rare desert encounters (how likely you were to find them was based on Luck), the most famous of which was the crashed UFO with a couple of alien skeletons ... and the Alien Blaster, far and away the most powerful one handed pistol in the game.

Of course, in Fallout the aliens were just a gag, like the disappearing TARDIS or Godzilla's footprint with a crushed corpse in the middle of it. It was Bethesda that gave us the retardation that is the Zetans and all the lore-breaking stupidity that goes with them.
 
In fairness, the FO3 crashed alien ship is itself a reference to the original Fallout, which had a dozen or so very rare desert encounters (how likely you were to find them was based on Luck), the most famous of which was the crashed UFO with a couple of alien skeletons ... and the Alien Blaster, far and away the most powerful one handed pistol in the game.
Oh fuck you're totally right I completely forgot. I need to play Fallout 1 again, I've been holding off on playing classic Fallouts again for the Sonora translation.
 
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Of course, in Fallout the aliens were just a gag, like the disappearing TARDIS or Godzilla's footprint with a crushed corpse in the middle of it. It was Bethesda that gave us the retardation that is the Zetans and all the lore-breaking stupidity that goes with them.
I feel like the 'it was a gag' argument falls apart when those things were treated with exactly the same relevance as finding Dogmeat, or, to belabor a point, the Zetans in 4.

Otherwise, what's to stop you from saying that about every stupid fucking writing choice BI made? Which would be most of them, since Avalone is a fucking retard.

Why is the Enclave's number 2 a mutant? It's a gag. Why is Coffin Willy not dead? Gag. Why is there an actual ghost that needs to be exorcised? Gag.

The biggest crime 4 has is getting rid of the fucking brilliant Wild Wasteland, which solved this problem by making the gags and references opt in, and cleanly separating actual lore/canon from jokes.
 
I feel like the 'it was a gag' argument falls apart when those things were treated with exactly the same relevance as finding Dogmeat, or, to belabor a point, the Zetans in 4.

Otherwise, what's to stop you from saying that about every stupid fucking writing choice BI made? Which would be most of them, since Avalone is a fucking retard.

Why is the Enclave's number 2 a mutant? It's a gag. Why is Coffin Willy not dead? Gag. Why is there an actual ghost that needs to be exorcised? Gag.

The biggest crime 4 has is getting rid of the fucking brilliant Wild Wasteland, which solved this problem by making the gags and references opt in, and cleanly separating actual lore/canon from jokes.

I actually agree with you. For my own part, I would consider the Luck-based encounters in 1 & 2 to be "gags" that have no effect on the canon. As for your other points, I can see how they might be taken seriously and not as gags. Horrigan isn't the #2, he's head of the Secret Service, and it's plausible the Enclave would have access to and experiment with FEV. Coffin Willy is a tougher nut to crack, but clearly there's not a whole lot of agreement on how ghouls are supposed to work. The ghost could be a manifestation of psychic powers that are present to some degree in every game.

But while I think those can be explained, plenty of others can't. The fucking Dan Quayle stand in VP and the Monica Lewinsky stand in are obnoxious and dated; the existence of a video porn industry makes zero sense; Chuck Stodgers, despite my fondness for pulp, is a truly headscratching joke.

Wild Wasteland did thread that needle very nicely, though.
 
The biggest crime 4 has is getting rid of the fucking brilliant Wild Wasteland, which solved this problem by making the gags and references opt in, and cleanly separating actual lore/canon from jokes.
With Starfield having its own set of Traits, maybe there's hope something like Wild Wasteland can return in a future Fallout.

But yeah, some of the stuff in 2 was stupid. Having Gordon of Gecko practically quote Wolf of Wallstreet was already pushing it, but having him be central for the quest allying Gecko with Vault City (assuming you're playing with the cut content patch, of course) really made him stick out like a sore thumb. Don't get me started on the lines of dialogue where the Chosen One annihilates the Fourth Wall...
 
The biggest crime 4 has is getting rid of the fucking brilliant Wild Wasteland, which solved this problem by making the gags and references opt in, and cleanly separating actual lore/canon from jokes.
Honestly, I agree. I've even seen New Vegas modders hide shit behind the Wild Wasteland trait. And you could use it to such great effect. Unique weapons held by a dangerous enemy, special boss encounters with a giant firebreathing Deathclaw named Godzilla, and clever little references. And if you're not a fan of seeing some pop culture references or having some sillier encounters you just... don't take the trait.
 
Automatron is in my opinion underrated. Making killer robots is a hoot. Pretty thin on the story, just enough to justify the addition of said robots, but it's fine for what it is.

The mod where I could make an securitron with the workshop was god damn magical. I even made a headcanon that its a securitron that just wondered off after the events of Fallout New Vegas and The Solo Survivor just decided to take this machine as a companion by pretending to be Mr House (they would know who Mr House is but wouldnt know that he at least survived up to New Vegas's events).

It was legit awesome.
IIRC Nate is a war hero of some sort (since he's supposed to be giving a speech at a veteran's hall IIRC), and Nora is an attorney. You may not be mega-rich but you're definitely not nobodies, and are almost certainly connected to people who are part of the mega-rich or in government.

Yeah, its actually possible we just happen to live in one of the few decent places still in the pre-war world. We havent see the rest of the world at large to come up with any conclusions.
I always figured that Little Lamplight is still populated with kids because wastelanders dump unwanted children or infants off there as kind of an unofficial orphanage. I mean, not everyone is going to keep their kid, and not everyone is going to be heartless enough to just abandon them to die.

As to the Children of Atom, I like to imagine that it's now kind of like the Abrahamic religions, with many different sects who believe radically different things. They all believe that the nuclear explosions that buttfucked the world are actually good, but not all of them believe in irradiating everybody. What if the ones in Boston are more or less radicals who were expelled from the Capitol Wastes because they kept attacking people and were fucking with the Church's reputation?

That is somewhat what happened in lore. Its stated that the Children of the Atom began to expand after F3 and they may started to come in conflict with the brotherhood of steel. A lot of members felt they werent doing enough to fight for their freedom of faith. This led to internal conflict over their peaceful ways and "peaceful ways by force". This caused them to split up and the ones that we see in F4 were the radicalized branch that the original has disowned because of "religious" pursecution.

This is all IIRC but if Im right on the money, the BoS is indirectly responsible for this.
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What was the point of the crashed alien ship in Fallout 4? Was it just an easy quest to give the player a new weapon or did Todd have a plot for it that got scrapped?

I guess Zetans decided to fuck with Earth again after that backfired 10 years ago?

Who knows, they aliens, you dont gotta explain shit.
Oh man, I hope it has tons of heccin' self aware quips!

"Uh... is that guy wearing Enclave power armor? Yikes, talk about a bad look..."
"So... let me get this straight. You want me, a vault dweller, to wander out into a nuclear hellscape full of fire, radiation, and God only knows what else, to find a water chip? Or else we're all gonna die? Whew, no pressure..."
"Hey! I'm a Brotherhood of Steel Paladin, so leave your sexist BULLCRAP at the door!"
"Man, war really doesn't change, huh?"

*hold chest* ouch....dude, stop, that cringe legit hurt me :stress:
 
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Again, the original Fallouts and the background lore of Fallout pretty much saw American exceptionalism as a bad thing, and anti-communist America was portrayed as some kind of corrupt, hedonistic society that kinda deserved to get nuked, so I don't really see this as a departure. It's like when Warhammer 40K started appealing to SJWs and some 40K fans got pissed, ignorant of the fact that Warhammer 40K was made as a satire of what Britain's Left saw as conservative militarism and religious fanaticism.

Dollars to doughnuts, they'll have the same kind of "nuance" with this show as they had with another Amazon-backed show, the TV adaptation of Garth Ennis' "The Boys". And by "nuance", I mean the same kind of blatant political satire where the bad guys are just Trump fans in a new skin. Shit, they can even make a Trump expy be an Enclave leader who gets whacked.
 
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Again, the original Fallouts and the background lore of Fallout pretty much saw American exceptionalism as a bad thing, and anti-communist America was portrayed as some kind of corrupt, hedonistic society that kinda deserved to get nuked, so I don't really see this as a departure. It's like when Warhammer 40K started appealing to SJWs and some 40K fans got pissed, ignorant of the fact that Warhammer 40K was made as a satire of what Britain's Left saw as conservative militarism and religious fanaticism.

Dollars to doughnuts, they'll have the same kind of "nuance" with this show as they had with another Amazon-backed show, the TV adaptation of Garth Ennis' "The Boys". And by "nuance", I mean the same kind of blatant political satire where the bad guys are just Trump fans in a new skin. Shit, they can even make a Trump expy be an Enclave leader who gets whacked.
I'M just tired of "adaptations".
Unrelated but here's a NV and Fallout 2 related question: Is there any set of endings in Fallout 2 that makes sense with the NCR becoming like it is in New Vegas?
 
Honestly, I agree. I've even seen New Vegas modders hide shit behind the Wild Wasteland trait. And you could use it to such great effect. Unique weapons held by a dangerous enemy, special boss encounters with a giant firebreathing Deathclaw named Godzilla, and clever little references. And if you're not a fan of seeing some pop culture references or having some sillier encounters you just... don't take the trait.
Don't forget the Fist of the North Rawr weapon in Lonesome Road Wild Wasteland gives you... which sadly doesn't cause your enemies to explode when killed.
Yeah, its actually possible we just happen to live in one of the few decent places still in the pre-war world. We havent see the rest of the world at large to come up with any conclusions.
I mean, it legitimately depends. I'd hate to live in one of the big cities in the Fallout world for obvious reasons, but the suburbs and rural areas are probably decent enough places to live. Keep in mind the USA is also the last intact nation on Earth pretty much, having both the last real reserves of oil as well as a very slow but still steady roll-out of fusion power to replace fossil fuels. That intact and productive industrial base also meant it was making bank exporting consumer goods to a completely wiped-out Europe following their war against the Middle East. Going by the Fallout Bible (and Fallout 3/4) the Chinese invaded Alaska in 2066, so the US that's presented to us right when the nukes fly has been engaged in a bloody war of attrition against the Chinese for eleven years, including Chinese use of bioweapons against us (hence initializing the Pan-Immunity Virion Project to immunize everyone against every disease, but we know what comes out of that once the side effects happen). It isn't until 2076 that we see a major breakdown in law and order in the US with food riots as a result of wartime shortages hitting their peak, and that's with us engaging in a land war not just in Asia but China itself for the past two years to force them to redeploy men and supplies away from Alaska.

And then in October 2077, with the Chinese driven out of Alaska and the end of the war in sight as the USA has occupied major parts of the country and their subjugated vassal nations are in full revolt, the Chinese hit the button, damning the entire world to nuclear hellfire.

TL;DR: The USA was somehow doing okay or at least better than the rest of the world, until it suddenly wasn't.
 
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