Fallout series

[God of Nothing]

The tunnelers plot line was always super fucky because the damn things are literally scared of the fucking daylight and the NCR could just shine bright lights at them to scare them off. If the NCR can deal with death claws, super mutants, rival regional powers, the West coast BoS, the Enclave, etc, then they can most likely deal with some shrimpy ass wildlife. My guess is they'll use nukes again and couple it with the east coast or Midwest BoS launching an invasion which we seem to be seeing with some of these shots. So yes, the NCR is Canon but Bethesda decided to kill it and we're supposed to side with the guys who did it.

Avellone fumbled so hard with Lonesome Road

 

[Shadfan666xxx000]

Avellone fumbled so hard with Lonesome Road

Yeah. I used to respect the guy because everytime you met his mouthpiece, you could kill them and get a good ending but actually seeing them outright take the bad ending you're not supposed to get pisses me off.

 

[Get the rope Macaulay!]

and I just ended up coming back to blow his brains out before I left because fuck dean domino.

if you truely hated him that much that wouldn't have been an option in the first place, you literally have to never sass him or use any skill checks with him or else that kike decides to try and kill you once in the casino

I've seen student films, fanmade shorts and porn parodies that look better than most of modern studio mandated slop

thats because all those were made with care, this was made because there was a financial inventive. remember the strikes? they even admitted it. Jonathan nolan only made this show because he's addicted to having sex with kids.

Like Mathew parry.

i'm still sort of surprised/sad Perry was a fallout fan. How the fuck does a guy with no job and an addictive personality like him not get into streaming especially during the covid lockdowns? He would have literally been alive today still doing his let's play if anyone he knew tried reaching out to him about doing it. It sounds like a goddamn lay up of an idea. Sam Hyde hates both fallout and video games and bethesda and did a stream about it, somehow perry never thought to do a stream where he plays video games to the enjoyment of the masses? "Could you look anymore like a ghoul?"

Instead we have murky canon that erases large portions of older titles to fit in whatever stupid story they have conceived.

the worst part is they're only doing that because Mr.Nolan's a faggot that wants to include some california landmarks CGI'd into the series. he straight up had almost the entire rest of the planet and united states to play with, but chose the only part with real history to it.

if they set it in say, Detroit all the people whining about this adaption would have vanished and honestly its sort of odd for an americana based series to completely avoid talking about what used to be the iconic american city of the 1950s.

but cut out too many features and undercooked it,

do you have any specifics on that front?

just destroyed the one faction that was actually building a lasting society.

i sort of understand why he did it from a gameplay aspect. declaring that there's barely any crime or danger in a quarter of the US and its bounced back to the 1890s but with helicopters really will fuck with canon and later installments.

Honestly as much as i like NV, the base game is sort of shit from a combat perspective, the powder gangers and animals are mostly low level threats and most of the map is rather empty or non-hostile. You can complete almost all of the New Vegas and surrounding area quests in under an hour, and its mostly non-violent solutions to everything meaning just passing low skill checks.

it's got paved roads and working vehicles

is that canon in the games? i thought they were still using the brahmein as pack mules and never figured out vehicles outside of the veribirds.

if you want to get an idea of what a build like that looks.

moding FO1 for starters, basically the only unarmed weapon you get is hidden in a room in the end game and you wouldn't get slayer by that point either. IIRC its near impossible to actually hit level 18 unless you modded out the time limit too,

Fallout 1 on the other hand has a boring first act unless you are sequence breaking:

fallout 1 is sort of shit like that, if you notice almost all the quests take place in the city they're located in and you never have a reason to go back to them. plus between the lack of locations and reasons to be there or do anything its a very short game. which is probably a reason they gave the player such a time limit. unless you waste all your time "exploring" you won't ever hit even 400 days. on the map.

 

[Shadfan666xxx000]

if you truely hated him that much that wouldn't have been an option in the first place, you literally have to never sass him or use any skill checks with him or else that kike decides to try and kill you once in the casino

I think it was my first playthrough where it all happened. I DID try to save everyone but I fucked up and it didn't feel fair him to live after all that.

 

[eatler]

He would have literally been alive today still doing his let's play if anyone he knew tried reaching out to him about doing it.

Oh fuck man this just makes me sad to think about. I even loved watching josh sawyers play through of the game. That would of easily been a welcomed edition to my saved fallout playthroughs. I always wondered his story’s of recording for fallout.

I think it was my first playthrough where it all happened. I DID try to save everyone but I fucked up and it didn't feel fair him to live after all that.

if you truely hated him that much that wouldn't have been an option in the first place, you literally have to never sass him or use any skill checks with him or else that kike decides to try and kill you once in the casino

Say what you want about dean, modern Bethesda’s wouldn’t have the balls to add a character like that in a recent game. I think the last time I was fucked over by a character in fallout 4 was the Kent cannoli mission. Basically you need 10 charisma or he dies.

Detroit

Also you forget Bethesda hates Detroit. It would be fitting too to set it in Pontiac (it’s worse that Detroit, really bad highway man problem)

 

[Two-bit]

I watched the Fallout Amazon show trailer earlier today. Gotta say, I really fucking want to like it and hope this will be a banger of a show. But I know from previous experience that tv shows these days are bullshit filled with lefty faggotry. Not to say the games also didn't have that shit in them. But at least it was tolerable because you could murder literally everyone in the game if you wanted to. That's really what'll be missing from the show. I'm almost positive it'll toe the line and not get too dark. Which is unfortunate. Not to mention what Amazon did with Rings of Power.

I'll probably end up watching the whole thing since I'm starved for new Fallout content and I won't give in and buy a Fallout 76 subscription.

 

[eatler]

I won't give in and buy a Fallout 76 subscription.

Do you play the game at all or do you abstain from it?.

 

[Two-bit]

Do you play the game at all or do you abstain from it?.

I played Fallout 76 early pandemic. It was a good distraction from everything going on and I think that was also around the time where they had that update which added actual people into the game as quest givers. I had my fun with it but it just wasn't the same as the single player games. I was also playing it on ps4 which was a whole other issue, specifically lots of lag and connectivity problems.

 

[Swingletonthesimpleton]

The tunnelers plot line was always super fucky because the damn things are literally scared of the fucking daylight and the NCR could just shine bright lights at them to scare them off. If the NCR can deal with death claws, super mutants, rival regional powers, the West coast BoS, the Enclave, etc, then they can most likely deal with some shrimpy ass wildlife. My guess is they'll use nukes again and couple it with the east coast or Midwest BoS launching an invasion which we seem to be seeing with some of these shots. So yes, the NCR is Canon but Bethesda decided to kill it and we're supposed to side with the guys who did it.

If they did go the tunneler route, it doesn't look like the ENTIRE city is demolished so that's probably what happened. Tunnelers dug and dug and a big sinkhole opened up in shady sands one night, tunnelers poured out and began causing havoc, eventually someone accidentally shined a bright light at one, realize they're scared of light and they drove them off, not before a good sized hole opened, hence the scene from the trailer

 

[Shadfan666xxx000]

If they did go the tunneler route, it doesn't look like the ENTIRE city is demolished so that's probably what happened. Tunnelers dug and dug and a big sinkhole opened up in shady sands one night, tunnelers poured out and began causing havoc, eventually someone accidentally shined a bright light at one, realize they're scared of light and they drove them off, not before a good sized hole opened, hence the scene from the trailer

Who knows? Honestly, I might be overreacting. The NCR is in the show, they've got some kind of a force in LA and that's all we know for sure. Probably isn't even the same Shady Sands with public library nuked. Either way, I'm feeling like I'll absolutely hate what they do with the NCR.

 

[Big Brown Schlub]

if you truely hated him that much that wouldn't have been an option in the first place, you literally have to never sass him or use any skill checks with him or else that kike decides to try and kill you once in the casino

Isn't it just that he gets pissed off at you if you just do the very first extremely easy barter skill check (I think it's like 20 barter or something)?

 

[30+GameOvers]

do you have any specifics on that front?

There were many, many cut features from Outer Worlds that we know of. In Tim Cain's own words, he was not happy with it himself, "there was one cut too many".
From the top of my head, I know there was going to be a dogmeat like companion but due to the lack of resources they went with SAM because they already had mech assets. The entire planet was supposed to be one giant open world space, for example Terra 2 would have Emerald Vale, Roseway and Byzantium in one area. This was apparently supposed to let players make their way to Byzantium early on if they didn't care about the Emerald Vale tutorial, likely a similar affair to New Vegas and making your way to Freeside right from Goodsprings in a sense that it would be dangerous but theoretically possible to skip all the way there early. Additionally, Roseway was the tutorial started location originally, and you can tell it would have been both quicker and more pleasant to simply start there instead of being forced to spend 2-3 hours on Emerald Vale every playthrough.
I remember that SubLight was also going to be a mandatory story faction, that's why the biggest plot reveal is casually dropped in that questline and then forgotten about. Reason for this cut? Play testers didn't want to be "forced" to play as the bad guys, so they were made into an optional faction quest line. This one is a bit harder to find info on, but Outer Worlds was also going to have traits very early on, much like Starfield does. These would effect the game in a minor or major way, this was likely back when you were going to be a colonist fresh off the ship rather than a frozen fish-out-of-the-water(early intro that would take place in "Welcome To Halcyon!" building has many otherwise unused assets, so it's speculated that's where the game's tutorial originally took place since there is a training course in there as well). Lastly, there is a whole bunch of cut outfits for Hope colonists, I mean an entire class of armor and gear along with a cool eyebot helmet like headwear with a non-working effect that was supposed to scramble robots. This shows that there were likely even bigger plans for Hope, which is a very short dungeon filled with more exposition than gameplay in the final game.

There is an entire series of interviews on NoClip where the devs go into more details

https://yewtu.be/playlist?list=PL-THgg8QnvU6_HSs9x4S86dVq0izton1P

Not sure why these cuts were made, likely budget or time constraints altho the lack of open world planets was likely a decision forced on them by the engine/consoles. Sad to see what could have been, but still not nearly as bad as New Vegas and all of it's cut content.

Say what you want about dean, modern Bethesda’s wouldn’t have the balls to add a character like that in a recent game. I think the last time I was fucked over by a character in fallout 4 was the Kent cannoli mission. Basically you need 10 charisma or he dies.

Funny that you mention this, apparently Bethesda was REALLY mad about the Elijah ending. Not sure if it was Pete that said it, but Bethesda told Obsidian to knock it off, because "bad guys don't win". If you ever wanted their mindset on the franchise, there you go, this cost us another fun non-canonical ending where you got to side with The Think Tank and turn the Mojave into one giant testing ground(that ending has been leaked, it's probably on the Fallout wiki or TCRF)

 

[Swingletonthesimpleton]

"Bad guys don't win" then why's the brotherhood still kicking given how the west coast has no problem killing people for "misusing" technology. "I could make you care" comes to mind.

And as for that cut ending, not only is it found, its been restored with mods

 

[30+GameOvers]

"Bad guys don't win" then why's the brotherhood still kicking given how the west coast has no problem killing people for "misusing" technology. "I could make you care" comes to mind.

And as for that cut ending, not only is it found, its been restored with mods

Because Bethesda's Brotherhood is good and cuddly, never mind that the one in F4 are basically just MidWest BOS from Tactics with a new coat of paint who go back to hating all mutants for some reason. Funny how there is a mod that replaces all their aesthetics with swastikas and it's not even that out of place, made Nexus and Beth fans shit themselves in anger.
Also, I never took the Tunneler threat seriously because I don't take Ulysses seriously. He's a cool antagonist, but if you look deeper than that, he's just some nutjob who's willing to start WW4 over you destroying a town by accident. He can talk about THE BULL AND THE BEAR until he chokes on it, none of what he says has any deeper meaning, he just doesn't like you and wants to make you suffer. It's like hearing a lefty talk all that nonsense of them being on the good side of history and having the moral high ground when in reality they're just power hungry psychos who still have issues dating back to their parents and high school days they want to take out on everybody else.
If you spare him, at least he builds a character arc and becomes some sort of self imposed exile, so that's cool, altho there is a mod to make him a companion if you really want to go the fanfic route.
The performance for Ulysses is one of my favorites in the entire game so I don't mind him being a flat character. Roger Cross hit that role right out of the park(and he also voiced the Biological Research Station in OWB, on a more humorous note).

 

[eatler]

I don't take Ulysses seriously. He's a cool antagonist, but if you look deeper than that, he's just some nutjob who's willing to start WW4 over you destroying a town by accident

The dlc was quite literally Ulysses shot the messenger.

 

[God of Nothing]

Because Bethesda's Brotherhood is good and cuddly, never mind that the one in F4 are basically just MidWest BOS from Tactics with a new coat of paint who go back to hating all mutants for some reason. Funny how there is a mod that replaces all their aesthetics with swastikas and it's not even that out of place, made Nexus and Beth fans shit themselves in anger.
Also, I never took the Tunneler threat seriously because I don't take Ulysses seriously. He's a cool antagonist, but if you look deeper than that, he's just some nutjob who's willing to start WW4 over you destroying a town by accident. He can talk about THE BULL AND THE BEAR until he chokes on it, none of what he says has any deeper meaning, he just doesn't like you and wants to make you suffer. It's like hearing a lefty talk all that nonsense of them being on the good side of history and having the moral high ground when in reality they're just power hungry psychos who still have issues dating back to their parents and high school days they want to take out on everybody else.
If you spare him, at least he builds a character arc and becomes some sort of self imposed exile, so that's cool, altho there is a mod to make him a companion if you really want to go the fanfic route.
The performance for Ulysses is one of my favorites in the entire game so I don't mind him being a flat character. Roger Cross hit that role right out of the park(and he also voiced the Biological Research Station in OWB, on a more humorous note).

Killing him is far more rewarding and climactic. I should've screenshotted it. With The Blade of the West I had, I gibbed his skull in. Just fell back on the ground. It was awesome.

 

[Swingletonthesimpleton]

Because Bethesda's Brotherhood is good and cuddly, never mind that the one in F4 are basically just MidWest BOS from Tactics with a new coat of paint who go back to hating all mutants for some reason. Funny how there is a mod that replaces all their aesthetics with swastikas and it's not even that out of place, made Nexus and Beth fans shit themselves in anger.
Also, I never took the Tunneler threat seriously because I don't take Ulysses seriously. He's a cool antagonist, but if you look deeper than that, he's just some nutjob who's willing to start WW4 over you destroying a town by accident. He can talk about THE BULL AND THE BEAR until he chokes on it, none of what he says has any deeper meaning, he just doesn't like you and wants to make you suffer. It's like hearing a lefty talk all that nonsense of them being on the good side of history and having the moral high ground when in reality they're just power hungry psychos who still have issues dating back to their parents and high school days they want to take out on everybody else.
If you spare him, at least he builds a character arc and becomes some sort of self imposed exile, so that's cool, altho there is a mod to make him a companion if you really want to go the fanfic route.
The performance for Ulysses is one of my favorites in the entire game so I don't mind him being a flat character. Roger Cross hit that role right out of the park(and he also voiced the Biological Research Station in OWB, on a more humorous note).

Technically he was supposed to be a full on legion companion found in the fort with a similar backstory in the base game. They ran outta time to make him, scrapped that and put him in halfassidly in lonesome road because they didn't wanna fully get rid of him. So much of this game could have been better had they just been given time to do it.

 

[30+GameOvers]

Technically he was supposed to be a full on legion companion found in the fort with a similar backstory in the base game. They ran outta time to make him, scrapped that and put him in halfassidly in lonesome road because they didn't wanna fully get rid of him. So much of this game could have been better had they just been given time to do it.

Ulysses was cut because they ran out of time for it. Avellone wrote a 100 page document or something on him and there was no time to get all his dialogue translated for all the languages nor implement him in any way. He was supposed to be met in Wolfhorn Ranch, standing over a grave, and the last remnant of that idea is that in some languages, Wolfhorn Ranch is actually called "Ulysses Ranch".
Also, while Ulysses wasn't going to be found at The Fort, supposedly a few NPCs were going to become faction companions: Vulpes for Legion, Victor for House and Benny for Independent Vegas. The idea for every faction having it's own companions must have been scrapped early since at some point, you could befriend Benny and even have him help you out for some reason. I am guessing that dates back to when Followers of the Apocalypse were going to be a bigger faction and more or less be the ones guiding you thru the Independent path instead of Yes Man.

 

[Mysterious Autist XX]

Killing him is far more rewarding and climactic. I should've screenshotted it. With The Blade of the West I had, I gibbed his skull in. Just fell back on the ground. It was awesome.

That sounds like it was so fucking awesome man, beats my runs where I just snipe him the second I load into the room with an Anti-Material Rifle.

 

[God of Nothing]

That sounds like it was so fucking awesome man, beats my runs where I just snipe him the second I load into the room with an Anti-Material Rifle.

Practical but boring. Too much like the NCR. I need to hear what he has to say one last time before I end him as the greater man.