Fallout series

Why exactly are so many people saying Fallout 2 is the best in the series ? I can't see it tbh, third place maybe
Well, when you compare it to Fallout 1 it is pretty much better in every way, with the exception of a more silly tone and writing(both of which were mandated by Interplay in order to make the game more appealing to the casual and mainstream audience. Some things never change!).

Fallout 2 improves on many features of Fallout 1 while keeping the base gameplay itself the same, it also adds a ton more content and overall makes for a better RPG, a much meatier one too. There is another aspect to it, however: It is a journey. All Fallout games are, but Fallout 2 does it the best: You start out in a crappy dungeon, you live in a crappy village, and then you wonder into a shitty backwards town, but compared to what you had before, tutorial town feels like a much needed breath of civilization. You get your first clue as to where to go next, you find out that your crappy village is indeed crappy and that your kind(tribals) aren't really looked upon with respect, you do your first quests, get your first gun and get your first companion. The game expands from there, and at a certain point, you have many, many towns to visit without the game pointing a stupid quest arrow telling you where to go. You eventually make it there on your own, by exploring and doing your own investigative work. On the way there you meet many more NPCs, do many more quests, get involved with the local politics, recruit more companions and of course, get better gear. It is a very addictive loop and it feels less like a grind and more like an actual proper adventure. I would go as far to say that Fallout 2 is the franchise's own Odyssey, no other game comes close to this scale. The game kinda peters out in the final act, Enclave aren't really that engaging as far as villains go, especially when compared to Unity, and the final dungeon is a bit lacking in options compared to the Cathedral(you can't even talk the final boss to death), but it's overall servicable. Plus, you can't really go wrong with hijacking a giant tanker and then blowing up an Enclave base with them non the wiser(or going in guns blazing if you're suicidal). Frank Horrigan, despite needing violence to take out, is also a pretty badass villain, I guess not every boss needs to be The Master and the game does go out on a high note, but it goes to show you just how strong Fallout 2 is when even it's weakest parts are merely mediocre.

Honestly, you just need to play it yourself. The original is very buggy and has lots of cut content, but we've come a long way, Restoration Patch is pretty much mandatory and makes the game even better. I haven't even talked about things you can do on the side that no other game lets you do, like getting married(then either getting divorced, enslaving your significant other or whoring them out for money and equipment), you can become an enforcer for a crime family of your choosing in New Reno, you can cure the Jet addiction(the New California variant is much stronger and pretty much 100% addictive compared to the diluted homebrewed variants in Vegas and East Coast), you can become a porn star, you can repair your own car and use it to travel faster on the map(with unique encounters in some places when you bring it there), you can become a scientologist and ruin an entire town for a few measly dollars, you can become a slaver and actually go on slaving runs against clueless tribals(you get a big head tattoo when you join, so every single NPC in the game knows who you are and some won't even talk to you anymore for the rest of the game), you can actually help out the NCR rangers before they become relevant in New Vegas, you can finish the job that Vault Dweller started and kill off the last remaining Khan, you can join a cult made by an intelligent talking mole rat that wants to rule the world(and it actually influences a few quests in quite a big way, this isn't a stupid one time joke), you can construct your very own robobrain called "Skynet"(and if you lack science, you can strap one of your own less wanted companions, including your spouse, on an operating table to extract their brain if you lack the required science skill. You can also give it a monkey brain and make it completely useless, or give it a cybernetic brain inversely and get the best sniper in the game, the game becomes a cakewalk once you give it a gauss rifle), and of course there is nothing stopping you from being an evil bastard that kills kids and screws over everyone, the game won't stop you even if it will make your life miserable. This is the kind of game you owe yourself to try out one of these days, the claims of it being one of the best CRPGs of all time are not overblown, and people treat it as one of, if not the best, Fallout game of all time for a reason. It's few shortfalls, like the abundance of pop culture references and bugs(many of which are fixed in the RP), can be easily overlooked when the rest of the experience is so good. Just be aware: The game is MERCILESS to the newcomers, there will be instances where you will just get killed by the game for shits and giggles and you have to take it or get gud at it. That's just how games were back then, nothing exclusive to Fallout 2, and you become a real badass by the end anyways. If you know the game well enough, you can even speedrun to the best power armor in the game and have a nice, easy playthru from there.
 
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Replayed Fallout 2, been more than a decade since I last beat it. Since I also replayed the original recently it corrected one big misconception I had with the classic games, in that Fallout 2 had way more le wacky xD stuff and Fallout 1 was super serious. Relative to the length of each game (F1 I beat in 21 hours, 2 in 50 hours) F1 has about as much humor in my experience but admittedly it has less le wacky xD humor and more subtle and dark humor. Still, the humor doesn't feel overpowering in either game, both have a really gritty and ruthless atmosphere but with some silly jokes being cracked here or there.
Over compensating NV kids like to overstate how 'grim and gritty' F1 is.
 
Over compensating NV kids like to overstate how 'grim and gritty' F1 is.
It does get pretty bad towards the end of the game, when you realize just how bad the mutant problem is(especially when you enable invasions and find entire towns slaughtered and mutants/cultists parading around, talking of purifying the weak with fire). LA boneyard is also pretty gritty, it's basically one giant clusterfuck of people trying to screw over or kill each other(and it would have been even worse if the devs had more time, since there was going to be a gang war subplot instead of the regulator/blades one)

I don't think any other Fallout game truly captures just how much things go to shit in the end game. Fallout 2 just drops the revelation that Enclave are going to gas the world...for reasons, New Vegas is just a warzone, you don't really get high stakes as much as you are making sure your side wins. Bethesda titles are cartoons, more or less, so you rarely take them seriously. I think Fallout Tactics comes close to capturing this feeling of hopelessness towards the end, I'm not gonna spoil it but the enemy might be worse than Enclave and Unity put together, and Brotherhood is JUST strong enough to stop it, and that's only after an entire game's worth of conquests.
 
Honestly, you just need to play it yourself.
I got 120 hours in Fo2 and like 40 in Fo1, my issue with 2 is the talking deathclaws and mainly that the enclave are too cartoonishly evil for no reason. For example the doctor in the oil rig that spent his life developing the lethal FEV strain just changes his mind after a tribal talks with him about Drawin's law and calls him a hypocrite.
Also the fact that Enclave wants to wipe all human life outside of their own is very absurd
 
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I think Fallout Tactics comes close to capturing this feeling of hopelessness towards the end
Tried playing it but it feels way different compared to any other game in the series, put it on the insane difficulty and the bullets never connect to the enemy and when they do it's like throwing pebbles of course i put it on normal after that but all i do is go guns blazing and thats kinda boring. Also the intro didn't really make sense to me, why are they saying BOS came out a vault when in FO1 its is clearly said they originated from Mariposa
 
Tried playing it but it feels way different compared to any other game in the series, put it on the insane difficulty and the bullets never connect to the enemy and when they do it's like throwing pebbles of course i put it on normal after that but all i do is go guns blazing and thats kinda boring. Also the intro didn't really make sense to me, why are they saying BOS came out a vault when in FO1 its is clearly said they originated from Mariposa
The intro is pretty boring, it's mostly there to introduce you to the game mechanics and test your build. If you're having trouble right at the start, that probably means you chose a suboptimal build. The game really kicks off a few missions in, once you have better gear and a full squad of soldiers. The game gets more fun too, you get to recruit deathclaws, ghouls, supermutants and even a few robots later on. I would give it a second chance.
Yeah, the intro doesn't make much sense, but the devs didn't know much about Fallout games. There was also confusion as to if Tactics would be a proper Fallout 3 or not, so the lore kinda goes all over the place, but the intro is about as bad as it gets. I always chose to interpret the "vault" as a literal bunker, ie Lost Hills, makes a lot more sense. Basically, after the Vault Dweller joined the Brotherhood in Fallout 1 and single handedly not only destroyed both the Vats but the Cathedral as well, that would have otherwise wiped out the Brotherhood, the radical minority that wants to open the door to the outsiders(much like the Lyons Brotherhood on the East Coast would later do) argue that the Vault Dweller is proof that they're right and the elders are wrong. With how up the ass BOS is with their internal politics, you can guess what the elders thought of that, and they send quite literally the entire minority on a suicide mission to chase the remnants of the Master's Army up East(you do get to meet them eventually, and some of them even join up with the Brotherhood around the halfway point as your recruits). The radioactive tornadoes of the Midwest(that are mentioned by Cassidy in Fallout 2 but you don't really get to see in the game itself) tear the blimps apart and the minority ends up in Chicago, where they lick their wounds and put their philosophy to the test by doing a little empire building. By the time the game starts, the BOS just got back on it's feet and is protecting the local tribes against raiders...at the cost of their young and food, of course. Once the BOS gets strong enough, they continue heading SouthEast, in order to chase down the Master's remnants. The game has a much more sinister villain than mere super mutants, however.
 
Im suprised nobody here is talking about the shitshow that is fallout london. Supposed to release in april. Delayed. And from there its snowballed into an absolute shitshow of lies deceit and tomfuckery

One look at the reddit and you see half their own fanbase turned against them.
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The other half will sacrifice their newborn to defend them
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Why did they delay it?
To save you 30 minutes of a fat bald guy speaking dead air, "next gen messed up alot of things and we have to fix them. only...that was wrong.

As somehow, a german news outlet somehow got it, that they were doing both at the same time, THE WHOLE TIME. Which means that the version that they had finished since april has been just sitting there and they've done nothing with it.

They apparently cant talk much about anything because they have an nda... an unofficial has an NDA.
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Not to mention they straight up blame bethesda to the bbc for not telling them about the updat, ,despite them knowing it was coming well in advance like we all did.yes, somehow they got a fucking bbc interview for their shitty mod

To top it all off, they said, i don't know if it was on this interview or another one, THAT BETHESDA RELEASED THE UPDATE PURPOSEFULLY SO THEY COULDN'T GET THEIR MOD OUT. BECAUSE BETHESDA CARES ABOUT THEIR SHITY MOD PROJECT.

Did i mention this shitshow has a merch store? https://my-store-c4744c.creator-spring.com/
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They'll get real mad if you mention it.


There discord is a disheveled mess aswell. As shown above in that screenshot (I'd post more but somehow im banned... despite only lurking there), they ban anybody who criticizes them or questions them. Professional.

this mod is having the worst pr shitshow in fallout modding in a while, and the mod hasn't even released. Will it be frontier 2.0? No idea, but right now its a shitshow.
 
What was the first Fallout game for the users here, and is it even your favorite one?
My first Fallout was Fallout 1. Got it from a games magazine and somehow managed to finish it with little English skills back then.
For a favorite it's kinda hard. If I could give myself brain damage and play FNV with no past knowledge I would say that. But after replaying FNV 8 times it doesn't hit the same. Fallout 1 is in a similar place, great game but the more you replay it the more you can see the rough edges. Right now for me I would say Fallout 4. It's not a good RPG, it's not the best game but out of the Fallout library it's one that I can play right now and have a decent time.
 
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As somehow, a german news outlet somehow got it, that they were doing both at the same time, THE WHOLE TIME. Which means that the version that they had finished since april has been just sitting there and they've done nothing with it.
I was suspecting this tbh, obviously the mod is made by gay retards but im still curious how it turns out IF IT EVEN GETS RELEASED
 
There's a one click on downgrader on the Nexus, what's stopping the FO London devs from just releasing it and linking to the downgrader? It takes like give minutes and all the "Next Gen update adds is some ugly buggy Creation Club shit and an ugly buggy widescreen mode.

There's no reason to play the updated version.
 
There's a one click on downgrader on the Nexus, what's stopping the FO London devs from just releasing it and linking to the downgrader? It takes like give minutes and all the "Next Gen update adds is some ugly buggy Creation Club shit and an ugly buggy widescreen mode.

There's no reason to play the updated version.
I remember them complaining on twitter directly to Bethesda for not announcing them about the update and the lack of respect or something
 
I remember them complaining on twitter directly to Bethesda for not announcing them about the update and the lack of respect or something
I mean I hate Bethesda I really fucking hate Bethesda but why the fuck would they have to direct official communications to some group of rando fan modders?

That's some major ego and arrogance there.

If this is bad I hope Four Decent Friends stream it. Their Frontier streams are peak comedy.

 
There's a one click on downgrader on the Nexus, what's stopping the FO London devs from just releasing it and linking to the downgrader? It takes like give minutes and all the "Next Gen update adds is some ugly buggy Creation Club shit and an ugly buggy widescreen mode.

There's no reason to play the updated version.
Because the thing is probably a broken pile of shit. There's a reason There's only 1 video of gameplay of it.


I mean shit, here you got fallout miami that does streams literally developing the mod in front of you in the creation kit, you got capital wasteland remaking the dlcs from 3 when they take a break from developing the main remake (i can't wait to play the pitt thats what they're working on now), and then you just have london that has no story shown, no gameplay except the intro, no nothing. And all this added bullshit?

This mod will be the next frontier. Mark my words. And i guarantee you instead of deathclaw mating and child sex slaves, it'll be tranny nonsense and other modern day bullshit. I mean just look at the people developing it.
 
There's a one click on downgrader on the Nexus, what's stopping the FO London devs from just releasing it and linking to the downgrader? It takes like give minutes and all the "Next Gen update adds is some ugly buggy Creation Club shit and an ugly buggy widescreen mode.

There's no reason to play the updated version.
If we discount general incompetence and lazyness then the next answer is pride and attention.
They probably saw all the publicity Fallout 4 it's self was getting, and how it was negative and thought that if they release now they would get less attention and have a negative undertone.
Next Gen Update can't be the big news. Fallout London has to be the big news.
 
Because the thing is probably a broken pile of shit. There's a reason There's only 1 video of gameplay of it.


I mean shit, here you got fallout miami that does streams literally developing the mod in front of you in the creation kit, you got capital wasteland remaking the dlcs from 3 when they take a break from developing the main remake (i can't wait to play the pitt thats what they're working on now), and then you just have london that has no story shown, no gameplay except the intro, no nothing. And all this added bullshit?

This mod will be the next frontier. Mark my words. And i guarantee you instead of deathclaw mating and child sex slaves, it'll be tranny nonsense and other modern day bullshit. I mean just look at the people developing it.
I had pretty much zero expectations for The Capital Wasteland team but I was pretty impressed with their Point Lookout mod. It's about as close to a one to one remake of the original DLC as possible.

Much respect to them, they're obviously real Fallout fans instead of wannabe tourists like most modders.
 
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I had pretty much zero expectations for The Capital Wasteland team but I was pretty impressed with their Point Lookout mod. It's about as close to a one to one remake of the original DLC as possible.

Much respect to them, they're obviously real Fallout fans instead of wannabe tourists like most modders.
Them and the fact that project arroyo and the vault 13 teamed up, meaning they at least have some competent leadership, AND vault 13 has a demo on the way, has me cautiously optimistic. If i get to play remakes of 1-3, I'll be happy.

Miami has devs that'll develop the mod in front of ya, how much more transparent do you get. But i ain't as excited for that one as its enclave and im afraid it'll conflict with america rising 2 story,Which is by far my favorite mod in fallout period.

F4nv is a tossup. I wanna think they'll finish it but i ain't gonna expect from them like i do capital because they hardly release anything about it.

London. Just no. If that thing releases its gonna be shit. And if it don't... well at least we can laugh at the faggots that "made" it.
 
I can generally respect anyone who says it, 1 or NV are for varying reasons. 2 does have some improved gameplay elements that can lead to some preferring it to 1 for example.
The second is definitely better gameplay wise, but the story is another matter.

On another note, I recently played and beat Fallout Tactics. Can't quite say I'd recommend the game unless you really like the series and I don't say that because I thought it was bad or because it's "not Fallout". It's just that like the previous two games. If you don't have a good idea what you're doing (in particular, how you should build your characters) which you very likely won't, then you're going to struggle and probably restart your playthrough. Also, items such as ammo and consumables will not restock. This, however, shouldn't be too much of a problem if you just stick with doing missions although that oddly enough eads to the other problem I had with the game. There isn't really any point to leveling up outside doing missions. It's boring in most cases, you gain too little experience, and there's a good chance the enemies won't drop anything you want. I suppose in a way I should be thankful for not having to level grind, but that's very peculiar in an RPG don't you think?
 
Im suprised nobody here is talking about the shitshow that is fallout london. Supposed to release in april. Delayed. And from there its snowballed into an absolute shitshow of lies deceit and tomfuckery
I am/was very excited for FOLON, I even made quite a few posts in this thread about it and giving updates, but the current turn is very sad and is making it seem like a even bigger clusterfuck than The Frontier, a project they made many jokes about in the past. A point I saw brought up that interested me is that we haven't seen much gameplay, we saw at most 20 or so minutes of it. The mod is supposed to be about 40 hours of content, yet the only content we've seen is the intro.
Not to mention they straight up blame bethesda to the bbc for not telling them about the updat, ,despite them knowing it was coming well in advance like we all did.
To defend the devs a tiny bit here, we didn't know when the update was releasing for a very long time, it was delayed a few times, and the release date of the 25th was announced a week or so in advance. The mod was supposed to release on the 23rd, so a week away from launch they learned that the big update that would fuck everything up was releasing 2 days after their massive mod was.
this mod is having the worst pr shitshow in fallout modding in a while, and the mod hasn't even released. Will it be frontier 2.0? No idea, but right now its a shitshow.
The thing with the Frontier is that it's shitshow only started AFTER release, FOLON Isn't even out yet and its went to hell. Kinda impressive to be honest.
 
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The second is definitely better gameplay wise, but the story is another matter.

On another note, I recently played and beat Fallout Tactics. Can't quite say I'd recommend the game unless you really like the series and I don't say that because I thought it was bad or because it's "not Fallout". It's just that like the previous two games. If you don't have a good idea what you're doing (in particular, how you should build your characters) which you very likely won't, then you're going to struggle and probably restart your playthrough. Also, items such as ammo and consumables will not restock. This, however, shouldn't be too much of a problem if you just stick with doing missions although that oddly enough eads to the other problem I had with the game. There isn't really any point to leveling up outside doing missions. It's boring in most cases, you gain too little experience, and there's a good chance the enemies won't drop anything you want. I suppose in a way I should be thankful for not having to level grind, but that's very peculiar in an RPG don't you think?
Is speech or science good in Tactics ?
 
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