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Oh God, they got that annoying jeet with the gay voice
I like complaining, speculating, and complaining about my speculations.

The Kings are here. They appear to just to be zombies who are just doing Elvis mannerisms as a result of muscle memory. I'd be surprised if there's any reverence for them whatsoever in the show. They were probably one of the only neutral good factions in NV alongside the Followers of the Apocalypse so unless the more contentious Legion or House, there's little wiggle room to shit on them for simply being. They're probably reduced to being comedically dressed zombies in the show, expect some bloviating from redditors who'll describe it was "tragic" instead of insulting.
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This guy, who was probably the only other good part of season 1, actually appears in this trailer. I expect from this smile he's either going to destroy every single one of those pods, which'd probably not be entirely wrong morally assuming all the occupants are in on having a turn as some petty tyrant in the post-apocalypse over a few hundred people. This is the Fallout show, so trying to discuss the morality of it is moot. Given this might appear to be an "evil" smile, maybe he's up to something infinitely more retarded, and is going to try and become Big Brother or something - an overboss of the unfrozen.
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The vegetation could mean Vault 22, but the look of a building beyond the door make make it the Fiend-occupied Vault 3 - sans any Fiends. This makes the vines on the walls rather odd then.
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Black and white screen with somewhat gravelly voice - possibly a super mutant. I'm gonna guess he ties into eventual Enclave stuff and the impetus after catching the dad is to deal with them, the mutant joining side to "liberate" his brethren. Another point to it being a super mutant is that the voice sounds like how Strong or that scientist guy sound in Fallout 4.
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They have four of these things. This is only tenable if the East Coast Brotherhood has basically restarted something akin to the pre-war industrial sectors or something. I can only speculate the Washington Brotherhood recaptured the Pitt or something, which given they've had a decade of no competition out there is actually plausible. For the show they probably gave them so many just so we can watch one blow up, or maybe several. I'll give the show +1 point if it's done via one of House's anti-nuke measures (inb4 a single rocket fired by a random Legion member).

I'm also not that familiar with the Mojave, does it actually look like the sand dunes of Egypt or the Sahara? I thought it was flatter but maybe it does in places. I'm going to speculate that the building we see in the middle is the Power Ganger prison.
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Nice fit. I hope you get more than 8 minutes of screentime.
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Vault 31 in the show is where all the frozen people were being held. I'm gonna guess he unfreezes all of them and tries to start living up on the surface. The retarded version is he does this tricking them into thinking it's ascension day and this is just a means to kill them all; alternatively he's going to take a good crack at it, or he fell for the "society of managers" nonsense and is doing just that and we'll see them all die comedically as management =/= survival. This could also be the wham shot for the end of his arc and we'll see in season 3 he created some sort of quasi-fascist, highly ordered society or some other dumb shit.

In isolate him standing next to the half-buried car is pretty good. I feel like I've seen it before, or it's paying homage to something.
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Fucking hell.
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He's actually in the season 2 teaser trailer in the Vertibird. I'm guessing he dies sometime after this shot or he essentially becomes the black dude's new Knight.
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Could be wrong, but doesn't this mean House got the platinum chip and installed the upgrades?
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Fuck! This is possibly the worst outcome then: House won but still lost. If he lost due to asspull bullshit (like the nuke that took out shady sands) I'd consider it less insulting than if he won but was all talk and Vegas fell to shit under his watch and rule. Given he's alive (possibly won Hoover Dam) + The Kings exist still, mean things fell to shit with both him and the Kings around. Again, somewhat forgivable if there's an asspull involved. Another highly speculative option is they went NCR ending, they were forced to pull out due to nuke, and House had a backup or something. There's a way they could do this in a way that'd satisfy me, where the in-game House was the real one but the one we see here is a copy or something. They can have their cake and eat it to: Have Mr House, but not our Mr House.

Another complaint: the image isn't static. It's just gonna be House's actor with a green filter overlaid his video. When they do shit like this I can never tell whether it's the actor being uppity that the audience isn't seeing their face or the studio/showrunner thinking it'd detract from the scene or something. It's reminiscent to how Marvel gave Iron Man nanotech as an excuse to have RDJ having more facetime.
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Legion Camp. At least it's not a total mess in layout, there's some actual organisation here.
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An explosion. There's no people in view, so they were either edited out digitally to avoid spoilers, or the Legion are using mining explosives to dig somewhere. If this is still where the camp was in-game then the only conceivable location is House's bunker.
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Culkin. That's also a straight up Legionnaire helmet. I could see them maybe finding one in some museum or something. We've seen more typical Legion-wear in the other trailer so maybe this is what the higher ranks wear or something? It's plausible given what Lanius wears meaning complex metallurgy isn't beyond the Legion's capabilities but a 1:1 Roman helmet seems out of place.

If Culkin is Caesar, I really hope they do the bare minimum and not make him retarded. If this is him killing one of his top generals because the general was like, "We shouldn't do this dumb thing," then you can already write things off more than they already were.
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Just another thing I noticed. The explosion in the season 2 trailer is the car on fire in the season 2 teaser.
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Freeside is alive (making Vegas being fucked over is confusing). The Silver Rush is on the left there. The guy in power armour is also wearing a NCR Ranger helmet. I can't find a picture of someone wearing that outfit in-game bizarrely (Ranger helmet + Brotherhood armour).

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It at least looks marginally less like Fallout 3 in terms of post-apocalypse society. No trash on the streets for one (far as we can see). Looks more Wild West though. Freeside no longer being a shithole after some point is something I can see happening given there could be a spillage of prosperity out from Vegas with enough time and without the Mojave being a warzone. I hope they don't make it too zany but that's asking too much I know, especially given Doc Brown is right there.

Goggins is wearing the face of someone who can't comprehend civilisation returning post-apocalypse i.e. the face Emil Pagliaro wears whenever playing a Fallout game he wasn't involved in.
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Bitrate shat itself here for some reason. I guess Freeside and the areas around the Strip are fine but The Strip itself is fucked. Only opportunity here to make House not a for-evil retard is that he helped get people out using the securitrons + aid of the Kings so things weren't utterly fucked. If they can have it be so Mr House isn't an evil retard then I'm content.
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Ultra-Lux. Also points off from my previous comment about trash-free streets - burning barrels and wrecked cars, still. No rubbish on the ground though and flattened earth from foot traffic is decent. Makes you wander where the hell the road or sidewalks went. I can't tell if this is inside Freeside or at the gates of Vegas.
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Quality wise, similar to all the best parts of Season 1, there's probably going to be a repeat here. Any scene without Lucy/Black dude is probably going to be more watchable than the scenes involving them. I'd be surprised if they took aboard any criticism whatsoever and toned back the retardation but I know I'm hoping for too much.
 
Bug or copyright?

if the latter, then I never actually thought about the horrifying possibility of the FO games falling to the same copyright bullshit earlier GTA games did. :cryblood:
Copyright, I heard the singer is still alive at 86, he got pissy after learning what Fallout really is and wouldn't renew the rights.
 
Posting my predictions
- Marcus is the hooded guy, likely going to bring in Jacobstown mutants
- Possibly might be Goris though? Probably not since I doubt any of the writers got that far into FO2.
- Novac is overrun and probably just a set piece
- Macaulay is the new Caesar, the reasoning will be that he's some fuckoff son that we never even knew about or was mentioned in FNV. Plot twist for him will likely be he's either illegitimate or the fact that he is related to Caesar.
- there will be some flavor of faggotry
- Enclave have to be involved somehow
- Brotherhood will be the main villains, Legion is just small time obstacle in the way designed for humor
- Lucy arc will be about losing morality
- Ghoul arc will idk more flashbacks that probably ruin lore
- Max arc will be realizing how screwed the Brotherhood is, will join up with the NCR who are now good guys
- big finale will be about Freeside spilling into New Vegas/killing House as a "le evil capitalism/tyrant" episode
- I doubt there will be any resolving anything with the dad, need to save him for the legitimate show finale and I doubt that will happen this season, gotta milk this baby for another 2 main games, maybe even DLC.
- Possibly Graham appears?
- at least one of the companions will appear, Lily, Boone, Cass, Veronica or Rex most likely candidates
- House victory, or perhaps a twist that House is actually Yes Man controlled by the Courier
- Season 3 will ruin FO3 and I'm fine with that. If the show is so dead set on fucking everything up than just ruin it all so I can laugh at how bad it gets
 
If Culkin is Caesar, I really hope they do the bare minimum and not make him retarded. If this is him killing one of his top generals because the general was like, "We shouldn't do this dumb thing," then you can already write things off more than they already were.
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You just know they are going to ruin the character because of the "why do men think about the Roman Empire" meme.

Another complaint: the image isn't static. It's just gonna be House's actor with a green filter overlaid his video. When they do shit like this I can never tell whether it's the actor being uppity that the audience isn't seeing their face or the studio/showrunner thinking it'd detract from the scene or something. It's reminiscent to how Marvel gave Iron Man nanotech as an excuse to have RDJ having more facetime.
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They should have rendered House with half the framerate.
 
Culkin. That's also a straight up Legionnaire helmet. I could see them maybe finding one in some museum or something. We've seen more typical Legion-wear in the other trailer so maybe this is what the higher ranks wear or something? It's plausible given what Lanius wears meaning complex metallurgy isn't beyond the Legion's capabilities but a 1:1 Roman helmet seems out of place.
1:1 is a bit fucked and might be Next Best Prop, but they did have helmets in that general pattern in New Vegas itself.
Everything else is >The Fallout Show though but that's expected at this point. None of this shit is canon, it contradicts every game in the series to the point that their main quests cannot proceed in any fashion*, let alone a recognizable one.
*One exception: Fallout 4 can proceed, just not recognizably due to at least one faction just not existing outright in the region due to cascading lore changes up the line.
 
Posting my predictions
- Marcus is the hooded guy, likely going to bring in Jacobstown mutants
- Possibly might be Goris though? Probably not since I doubt any of the writers got that far into FO2.
- Novac is overrun and probably just a set piece
- Macaulay is the new Caesar, the reasoning will be that he's some fuckoff son that we never even knew about or was mentioned in FNV. Plot twist for him will likely be he's either illegitimate or the fact that he is related to Caesar.
- there will be some flavor of faggotry
- Enclave have to be involved somehow
- Brotherhood will be the main villains, Legion is just small time obstacle in the way designed for humor
- Lucy arc will be about losing morality
- Ghoul arc will idk more flashbacks that probably ruin lore
- Max arc will be realizing how screwed the Brotherhood is, will join up with the NCR who are now good guys
- big finale will be about Freeside spilling into New Vegas/killing House as a "le evil capitalism/tyrant" episode
- I doubt there will be any resolving anything with the dad, need to save him for the legitimate show finale and I doubt that will happen this season, gotta milk this baby for another 2 main games, maybe even DLC.
- Possibly Graham appears?
- at least one of the companions will appear, Lily, Boone, Cass, Veronica or Rex most likely candidates
- House victory, or perhaps a twist that House is actually Yes Man controlled by the Courier
- Season 3 will ruin FO3 and I'm fine with that. If the show is so dead set on fucking everything up than just ruin it all so I can laugh at how bad it gets
I missed this shot (I blinked) but I think this is Camp Golf.
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This black lady is there (I think).
I'm expecting her to outline the events of Fallout New Vegas for the tv-only watchers.
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- I think they'll use a Mutant OC over the Marcus because logisically there's little reason they couldn't just get the actual voice of Marcus. Michael Dorn is still alive/active and Amazon isn't short of money I don't see why they couldn't get him to do VA. If they're going practical though maybe they're gonna have a practical head and makeup, which is possible now as a consequence of Fallout 4's mutant design which makes them look rather lanky.

I wouldn't outright dismiss the possibility but I think they want to to mire things as little as humanly possible regarding canon characters. That being said, Mutant OC + Marcus dead alongside Jacobstown is something I can see them doing, if only to give the audience a reason to hate the ones responsible (Enclave, Legion, or Brotherhood). I think you're right though that this hooded dude is the mutant.
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-Goris is unlikely. If you never interacted with the franchise prior to 3, you'd have no idea he was ever a thing and so the fan service value that's being intended with a bunch of this stuff wouldn't really hit. I doubt anybody involved in writing engaged with anything prior to the Bethesda games hence the infamous roundtable scene from Season 1. Plus the CGI for the deathclaws might be limited to 1 or 2 per scene and given we're supposed to be afraid/threatened by these things, I think introducing a friendly one before or after the fact would take away from the intended impact. Sorry Gorisbros, I think the "bugged" Fallout 1 release (Sawyer breaking the game prior to release to ensure them dying off always) is canon.

-Yeah, I think it's barren. If they try to evoke Wild West stuff maybe they're doing the whole "Entire town hides behind closed doors whilst the hero kills the bandits" but I doubt it. Set piece (not that it had much going for it anyway besides the Dinky and Boone).

-The reason why they wouldn't do that is show watchers would have no reason to care Culkin is the son of Caesar, some character they wouldn't be aware of, having not played the games. I don't think they'd make Culkin the Caesar, but he could easily proclaim himself as one. I think the shot we got in the trailer of him killing another dude is him killing a superior and taking charge of the camp.

If I were writing this, Culkin is a would-be usurper who intends to use whatever technology is in House's bunker to bolster his forces to march on Flagstaff and cement himself as the new emperor/Caesar. If he is the son, then I would only imagine he thinks himself entitled to the title of Caesar, and so he's effectively one side in a civil war. His situation would warrant the differences we'll almost certainly see between Caesar's Legion and Culkin's "Legion", because it'll probably end up being toned back by quite a lot. Fallout show's Legion will be like Bethesda's Enclave vs 2's Enclave. I think the Legion will end up coming across not all that objectionable as a consequence, even if they are bad guys. The explosion in the middle of camp got me thinking dynamite, which got me thinking Powder Gangers, which I think got absorbed into Culkin's group (Powder Gangers will only get mentioned if that was actually the prison in the shot I posted). That's just one way Culkin may differ.

I have a prediction of hyperbole: The show will have female legionnaires in Culkin's legion and the twist is his legion are actually good guys and will end up saving the day, because Season 1's ending vindicated the Ghoul's nihilism so Season 2 will try to vindicate Lucy's optimism. Also shitting on the Legion also shits on the people who like them i.e. "Chuds".

-That's a given. There wasn't any gay in season 1 so it's gotta be in season 2. Though I gotta say, the black guy being all buddy buddy with the Indian guy makes me think they're just going to forget the pooner character existed, which is funny.

-Enclave will be the ending hook. The Super Mutant's plot is probably tied to them and if the mutant is Marcus, he probably shares with her what happened to Jacobstown (Enclave took 'em) and will go off with her and the Ghoul to go get them back.

-I think Brotherhood will be secondary villains if they're the ones who ended up wiping out Jacobstown (assuming it's a thing) and the black guy being in improvised power armour is a result of him leaving them.

Double twist: The Brotherhood in the show is actually a puppet of the Enclave, hence why they even learned of and tried to chase down that escaped Enclave scientist in season 1. This'll be done to preserve the image of the Brotherhood and essentially cleanse them of all their sins in season 1 and season 2.

-I actually think it'll be the opposite, unless you mean she'll be pushed to the brink and come back. Her desire for "justice" will have her forced to choose "frontier justice" (Ghoul - just kill him now) or "courtroom justice" (Lucy - bring him back to the Vault/NCR remnants to answer for what he's done). She'll choose the latter but then her father's head will explode like that mouse in the trailer because it turns out he has one in his head or something. Lucy will remain "pure" morally but her father still dies for what he did. The Enclave will be the ones who exploded his head because, yeah, he's a puppet too lmao.

Any theory about the Enclave controlling the Brotherhood would effectively mean that Lucy's father was secretly good all along and that explosive device he was testing on the mouse is something he's got in his head and he's trying to disarm it, since revealing anything might just trigger it. Given that these people were frozen from the start of the war + Enclave have access to the vaults + are aware of what each vault did/does, it's not too far out of the question that they could've implanted bombs into people as they slept to either use as puppets or keep some "pure" humans in reserve. They could've done it pre-war too and not reveal the truth until after the people were unfrozen and they were told their true objective.

Being intentionally retarded is still retarded but it would explain why the Brotherhood's depiction is outright insulting (The Enclave are mocking them), why Shady Sands was nuked (it's value is meaningless given everyone living there would've been "unclean" and the Enclave had/have cold fusion energy), and why Vegas got fucked up (House knew of Vault-Tek/Enclave's plans in the season 1 boardroom scene, basically became hostile to them as a result, and so the Enclave were effectively taking out one of their oldest enemies before he got stronger than he already was in a post-House ending FNV.

TLDR: The Enclave made everything retarded to achieve their plans.

-Flashbacks will indeed ruin lore, or attempt to. If we're lucky it won't and we'll just get more scenes of Goggins without makeup giving a solid performance as always.

-I think he'll leave the Brotherhood but I have a more convuluted idea. His whole thing is "being a knight" so I think the power armour we see in Freeside shots is him donning his new armour with Thaddeus basically reinstated as squire.

Me trying to make use of my Highschool English literature grade:
The NCR helmet + Power armour is basically symbolic of who he was (NCR citizen in the Brotherhood) but the shitty state of the armour (it being more of a facsimile rather than the genuine article) represents how corrupted/shit the Brotherhood has become. Or the fact it's a fake may represent that the Brotherhood he was in service of wasn't the real Brotherhood, which supports my above theory about it being an extension of the Enclave.

-I hope not. Mr House not being shat on absolutely is grade-A copium from me I admit but Freeside seems to be the actual civilisation part of Vegas in the trailer and the Strip itself is already overran with deathclaws and ghouls.

-Dad's uber dead this season. However, with Enclave involvement, I know the absolute funniest thing he could say if he does persist:
"Lucy, I am the president of the United States."

-Graham is too based to appear. Headcanon he died of natural causes revered by The Dead Horses and Sorrows as a Saint and will never be stained by Bethesda's hands.

-Not impossible but I'm thinking unnamed cameo or reference at best. Lucy's powerfist might be alluded to being Veronica's, perhaps in even more vague terms, "The woman who owned that really liked dresses" or something as Lucy marvels at it.

-House victory is looking likely. Independence is possible assuming the House we see in the show is the actual House who was just disconnected instead of killed, and was able to regain control of the 38 (at least appear on the screens again to talk) after the Courier leaves or Yes Man was disconnected somehow.

Mr House killing everyone in The Strip out of spite would be unacceptable though.

Courier-controlled Mr House Independence ending carries the silver lining of being impossible to attain ergo easier to cement this show as a separate continuity.

-Season 3, assuming I'm vindicated on my new controlled-Brotherhood theory, could actually be a way for Bethesda to wank some more over their version of the Brotherhood whilst also shitting on the West Coast Brotherhood whilst also canonically wiping them out.

My theory is utterly shot however by the Prydwyns/Airships, which were introduced as being East Coast Brotherhood shit, unless it's retconned or the Brotherhood on the West Coast was puppeted/subverted between Fallout 3/4/NV and Season 1 of the show.

Bethesda will minimise any harm to their own games. The Fallout 3/4 Brotherhood may get introduced and utterly shit over the West Coast Brotherhood.

I understand why your talk about the tv series but isn't a specific thread in multimedia about it?
Discussion on the show was more active in this thread than the other one which is why I ended up using it. You could argue that the TV show thread could be about the show in isolation from the games whereas the show discussion in this thread is with the games in mind?
You just know they are going to ruin the character because of the "why do men think about the Roman Empire" meme.


They should have rendered House with half the framerate.
My only hope is that Caesar isn't the game Caesar at a minimum, which from appearance alone I don't think he will be. They'll either make the Legion incompetent/embarrassing to shit on people who may "support" the Legion, or completely subvert/change them into le wholesome inclusive goodies who broke up from the meanies, which does the same thing as outright mockery.

They should've just made an illustration in the style of Mr House in-game but have it look like the actor and kept it static. The House in FNV on screen wasn't meant to be his actual face it was a 2d illustration in-universe. My new cope is that it's a pre-recorded message specifically for Goggins.
1:1 is a bit fucked and might be Next Best Prop, but they did have helmets in that general pattern in New Vegas itself.
Everything else is >The Fallout Show though but that's expected at this point. None of this shit is canon, it contradicts every game in the series to the point that their main quests cannot proceed in any fashion*, let alone a recognizable one.
*One exception: Fallout 4 can proceed, just not recognizably due to at least one faction just not existing outright in the region due to cascading lore changes up the line.
I don't really regard it as canon. Anything I speculate or theorise is half-"what dumb decision are they probably going to make" and half-"what could they do to salvage any part of this".

Yeah I screwed up on the helmet thing, they actually do look closer to the actual helmets than I remembered them being.
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Oddly though I think this is meant to be some kind of coincidence since it's meant to just be a super mutant helmet.
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Conceptually, the idea there are Legion Centurions with different getups mashed together from the parts of different enemies on a different front is cool.
 
replayed dead money and forgot how much of a faggot dean domino was
Locking him in the vault would've been a fitting option. While killing him seems reserved mostly to bad karma runs, simply letting him go just also doesn't seem like the right thing to do.

Think about it, not only is Elijah locked in a slowly failing room, he has to spend his last moments with Dean Domino.
 
On that note Elijah's last message to you is one of the most satisfying ones given you've given this deranged lunatic what he wanted. I'm always on the side of poetic justice.

Domino I always felt after Vera's room felt like he just let go as his tone if your helpful seemed deep down he cared for. Even petty small men can have soft sides.
 
Locking him in the vault would've been a fitting option. While killing him seems reserved mostly to bad karma runs, simply letting him go just also doesn't seem like the right thing to do.

Think about it, not only is Elijah locked in a slowly failing room, he has to spend his last moments with Dean Domino.
Domino was in part responsible for all the tragic events which occurred in the pre-war casino. Blackmailing Keyes after she didn't want to continue with the heist, resulting in Sinclair sabotaging his vault, leading to his regret, attempt to fix his mistake before succumbing to the shroud. Dean is not wholly responsible (arguably the guys who tried to rip off Sinclair and used shoddy pipes was the reason Sinclair died in the first place) but given his part in the whole endeavour, it makes sense why Obsidian made it really easy to accidently lock-in the ending where you have to kill him given people will assume passing the barter skill check would result in rewards but only bruises his ego and he never lets go - ironic. Dean is the most evil member of the Dead Money cast, second maybe to Elijah himself, and I think killing him would constitute a form of justice and post-mortem closure for Keyes and Sinclair. He also chucked Veronica's GF into an autodoc without knowing it'd do what he wanted as well as killing a couple of people Elijah captured to see if he could remove the collars. His entire motive for the heist was because Sinclair was full of himself but also a nice guy even as shit got worse for him, so Dean wanted to take everything away from him out of spite. Whilst he doesn't kill them directly, he effectively triggers the events that make it happen. Whether the statute of limitations still apply here is up to the player but getting away alive might be too good for him, like you said. I suppose if you consider that he'll never get what he obsessed over for 200 years that could constitute a form of punishment.

The only caveat to Dean's story here is that whilst he doesn't seem to ever show remorse (not that I recall) he does learn to let go and helps you escape at the end, assuming you're on good terms. Friendly Dean is charming so I still feel torn on whether I want to kill him or not. On bad ones he doesn't appear to have changed at all and will kill you to have the treasure all for himself.

I have played all the Fallouts so I might not be remembering correctly, but I also think Dean is the only character who skill checks do not work on and beside 1 or 2 intelligence checks, all of them are actively detrimental. Maybe Frank Horrigan had a speech check that even if you succeeded still failed but I'm not certain on that one.

Great character.
 
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