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When he puts his mind to creating an enjoyable/interesting experience for the player then his work is great, it’s just that as a person he comes off as an insufferable faggot.
Fallout series
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Well half the shit you say could go on a punisher t-shirt. Remember "killing is a task that many would not care for, but when it comes time we must perform it like any other chore"?
Berrakh
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It's weird I hadn't commented on this thread since I love the series but maybe I just think its time is over and New Vegas was the last hurrah. Who can say.
I think it's an interesting series in light of the culture war and how fandom is being weaponized by vatious actors. Fallout 4 was the first I'd ever seen anyone wearing a Vault Boy sweatshirt ever and it definitely represented the downward slide of the franchise. Fandom exists where properties have died I suppose.
I am going to assume Fallout New Vegas was outsold by both Fallout 3 and 4 for this next point.
It feels like a lot of the people who are pushing back on woke encroachment in gaming like New Vegas more. Which is is why I find it odd and even a little ironic they often tought that the silent majority is on their side in this (Go Woke Go Broke). Not even saying that's wrong or that these things are even connected but funny to consider.
Just maybe consider what is being fought over.
I think it's an interesting series in light of the culture war and how fandom is being weaponized by vatious actors. Fallout 4 was the first I'd ever seen anyone wearing a Vault Boy sweatshirt ever and it definitely represented the downward slide of the franchise. Fandom exists where properties have died I suppose.
I am going to assume Fallout New Vegas was outsold by both Fallout 3 and 4 for this next point.
It feels like a lot of the people who are pushing back on woke encroachment in gaming like New Vegas more. Which is is why I find it odd and even a little ironic they often tought that the silent majority is on their side in this (Go Woke Go Broke). Not even saying that's wrong or that these things are even connected but funny to consider.
Just maybe consider what is being fought over.
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You know, its been a while since I posted in this thread so here it goes. This is going to be me sort of theorizing on how, all things considered, The Capital Wasteland has a bright future ahead of itself. This is going to be from stuff in F3 and F4.
For starters, yes, all things considered, TCW was one of the worst off locations in the Fallout universe as of yet. Its the site of SEVERAL direct nuke strikes. For all intents and purposes, the whole location having any life and standing structure at all should be nearly impossible. All that aside, even if you ignore that, the whole area is a shithole, filled with raiders, supermutants, cannibals, raiders, The Republic of Dave, eldrich buildings, raiders and violin playing grannies (wait, that one is okay).
However, I think by the end of broken steel, the Capital wasteland is actually looking forward to a bright future. I think its several factors but a few of them are
- The Brotherhood of Steel (but Im going to mention their issues)
- Harold
- Project Purity
The brotherhood of steel, at least its F3 incarnation, was far more "benevolent" than its main branch selves in F1 and 2 (they werent necessirely malicious in the originals but they were far from angels either) and while that may go against a lot of the principles they started with, I think it may be more beneficial to them as a faction to take this route. I really think that the main branch of the brotherhood was ignoring a HUGE problem with their existance...eventually the world is going to rebuild itself and their isolationist nature would begin to turn that rebuilt world against them. Needless to say, by the time FNV happens, the main branch of the brotherhood of steel is nearly gone after long conflicts with the NCR. I do think that most of their downfall was their own doing, instead of embracing change, they remained arrogantly "loyal" to their principles even when their faction began to suffer for it.
But anyway, back in TCW, The brotherhood didnt have many competing factions (ironically the fact that TCW was such a destroyed shithole worked for their advantage), so them helping the locals more and even accepting them into their ranks put the people at their side. They were the only major force holding off the growing Super Mutant population from spreading too far from the ruins of DC, that was already an easy way to get the support of the local population, however, their victory against the Enclave truly made people look up to the brotherhood. By the end of F3, the brotherhood is more powerful than ever, especially now they have Project Purity. The issue with them was that their elder was mortal and eventually passed away from old age...and aparently his daughter wasnt part of the plans so she got unceremoniously killed off between games (personally I would have prefered to meet an Elder Sarah in F4 but I digress) and Maxie took over after multiple incompetent elders. With that said, the brotherhood, despite taking a new route (sort of a hybrid of the old and new mentality) still seems to keep TCW safe and prospering under its wing. The biggest issue is if the brotherhood isnt growing TOO powerful for their own good...even if Maxie isnt malicious, it doesnt mean that eventually some elder wont be. So while they are "shining" knights of prosperity, that may change someday.
Now to Harold, our lovable tree mutant. You could just kill him like he wants, however, I think its the far more beneficial decision to allow him and his roots to "spread" to the wasteland. That isnt technically harmful to him in anyway and it allows actual healthy green to grow on the once dead irradiated soil...he even comes to accept this fact and comes to term with it. Now consider this, in a few decades, who knows how much of the green will spread? Combine that with the healthy waters of Project Purity and the TCW is not only getting clean water but clean greens as well. TCW could be truly on its way for a nature's rebirth brought by Harold.
Now for project purity, it seems rather obvious how the prospect of clean water could benefit the whole area indefinetly. Perhaps after a while, the entire river could become clean from radiation and any wastelander can say that any water that doesnt give you even SOME radiation is a rare find. Now if its possible to replicate this tech isnt entirely clear (doesnt help that almost everyone involved in the project has either died or left the capital), however, if it is, then having multiple Project Purities running on different parts of the capital could make sure that the whole area has clean waters in just a couple of months, irradiated water will truly be a thing of the past.
Ironically, The Capital Wasteland could truly live up to its "Capital" name and be a new "capital" for humanity to get back on its feet. Yes, there are things like Super Mutants, raiders and many MANY other dangers and problems, but on the grand scheme, it really feels like the wastelanders from TCW have a bright future to look forward to
For starters, yes, all things considered, TCW was one of the worst off locations in the Fallout universe as of yet. Its the site of SEVERAL direct nuke strikes. For all intents and purposes, the whole location having any life and standing structure at all should be nearly impossible. All that aside, even if you ignore that, the whole area is a shithole, filled with raiders, supermutants, cannibals, raiders, The Republic of Dave, eldrich buildings, raiders and violin playing grannies (wait, that one is okay).
However, I think by the end of broken steel, the Capital wasteland is actually looking forward to a bright future. I think its several factors but a few of them are
- The Brotherhood of Steel (but Im going to mention their issues)
- Harold
- Project Purity
The brotherhood of steel, at least its F3 incarnation, was far more "benevolent" than its main branch selves in F1 and 2 (they werent necessirely malicious in the originals but they were far from angels either) and while that may go against a lot of the principles they started with, I think it may be more beneficial to them as a faction to take this route. I really think that the main branch of the brotherhood was ignoring a HUGE problem with their existance...eventually the world is going to rebuild itself and their isolationist nature would begin to turn that rebuilt world against them. Needless to say, by the time FNV happens, the main branch of the brotherhood of steel is nearly gone after long conflicts with the NCR. I do think that most of their downfall was their own doing, instead of embracing change, they remained arrogantly "loyal" to their principles even when their faction began to suffer for it.
But anyway, back in TCW, The brotherhood didnt have many competing factions (ironically the fact that TCW was such a destroyed shithole worked for their advantage), so them helping the locals more and even accepting them into their ranks put the people at their side. They were the only major force holding off the growing Super Mutant population from spreading too far from the ruins of DC, that was already an easy way to get the support of the local population, however, their victory against the Enclave truly made people look up to the brotherhood. By the end of F3, the brotherhood is more powerful than ever, especially now they have Project Purity. The issue with them was that their elder was mortal and eventually passed away from old age...and aparently his daughter wasnt part of the plans so she got unceremoniously killed off between games (personally I would have prefered to meet an Elder Sarah in F4 but I digress) and Maxie took over after multiple incompetent elders. With that said, the brotherhood, despite taking a new route (sort of a hybrid of the old and new mentality) still seems to keep TCW safe and prospering under its wing. The biggest issue is if the brotherhood isnt growing TOO powerful for their own good...even if Maxie isnt malicious, it doesnt mean that eventually some elder wont be. So while they are "shining" knights of prosperity, that may change someday.
Now to Harold, our lovable tree mutant. You could just kill him like he wants, however, I think its the far more beneficial decision to allow him and his roots to "spread" to the wasteland. That isnt technically harmful to him in anyway and it allows actual healthy green to grow on the once dead irradiated soil...he even comes to accept this fact and comes to term with it. Now consider this, in a few decades, who knows how much of the green will spread? Combine that with the healthy waters of Project Purity and the TCW is not only getting clean water but clean greens as well. TCW could be truly on its way for a nature's rebirth brought by Harold.
Now for project purity, it seems rather obvious how the prospect of clean water could benefit the whole area indefinetly. Perhaps after a while, the entire river could become clean from radiation and any wastelander can say that any water that doesnt give you even SOME radiation is a rare find. Now if its possible to replicate this tech isnt entirely clear (doesnt help that almost everyone involved in the project has either died or left the capital), however, if it is, then having multiple Project Purities running on different parts of the capital could make sure that the whole area has clean waters in just a couple of months, irradiated water will truly be a thing of the past.
Ironically, The Capital Wasteland could truly live up to its "Capital" name and be a new "capital" for humanity to get back on its feet. Yes, there are things like Super Mutants, raiders and many MANY other dangers and problems, but on the grand scheme, it really feels like the wastelanders from TCW have a bright future to look forward to
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Playing through New Vegas and Im fucking loving in. What Mods should I get for future playthoughs. Also what advice do you have for doing a moviebob character build in New Vegas?
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High luck and endurance. That's about it.
Probably middling strength because fatty muscles, but Bob isn't intelligent nor perceptive, he has no charisma and I can't see him being agile either.
There's an argument for every non Legion faction too.
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It helps that they take place on opposite sides of the countryI liked Mothership Zeta and I even liked the Cabot quest.
But of course I like to think of Bethesda's Fallout as it's own separate continuity from 1, 2 and NV.
Whoa, they really referenced Vault 76 all the way back in Fallout 3? That's kind of mind blowing to be honest.
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None (besides stability mods), NV is already perfect
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Indeed, that was a smart move on Beth's part and helps keep it seperate, but I still like to think they're two totally different universes centered around the same basic idea.
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If I ever going to get around to 3 and 4 Im gonna treat them as a spinoff series rather than main series titles. Also is tactics any good?
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High luck and endurance. That's about it.
Probably middling strength because fatty muscles, but Bob isn't intelligent nor perceptive, he has no charisma and I can't see him being agile either.
There's an argument for every non Legion faction too.
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Bob would probably genocide the legion because he would see their hoarding of advanced tech as holding back the superior future. He'd probably also kill all thoe ghouls though he may wish to help Bright and his followers since they want to go tospace
QUOTE="CWCissey, post: 7415333, member: 318"]
High luck and endurance. That's about it.
Probably middling strength because fatty muscles, but Bob isn't intelligent nor perceptive, he has no charisma and I can't see him being agile either.
There's an argument for every non Legion faction too.
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Bob would probably genocide the legion because he would see their hoarding of advanced tech as holding back the superior future. He'd probably also kill all thoe ghouls though he may wish to help Bright and his followers since they want to go tospace
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Are you referring to The Brotherhood Of Steel?
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While Bethesda's definitely woke, I never saw Fallout being hit too hard by the culture war BS outside of Fallout 76, which was a colossal trainwreck from the get-go and would be even if the culture wars didn't exist.
You did see more beardo bugmen get involved after Fallout 4 hit it big since Fallout 3 was a smash hit but was more grimdark in its look and the hipster/SJW/neo-punk subculture wasn't as strong in 2008 as it was in 2015
New Vegas really is the last hurrah unless Microsoft does an astronomically unlikely and totally uncharacteristic shocking swerve and get someone competent on the team to do remakes of the first two games that are on par with the Resident Evil 2 remake or the Crash Bandicoot and Spyro The Dragon compilation remakes that Toys For Bob did.
Not gonna lie, I do think it'd be interesting to see if they could do a "Wasteland Trilogy" where F1 and F2 are remade in a gameplay style similar to New Vegas while New Vegas gets a remastered port for the newer consoles and PC.
I dunno, I kinda get the feeling that Bethesda's earliest plans for Fallout 3 was supposed to be a prequel to Fallout set on the East Coast but they changed their minds so they could get as much of the old series hallmarks into the franchise as much as possible like the Brotherhood of Steel, the Enclave, and Super Mutants.
I'll admit, I kinda like their explanation for Capital Wasteland Super Mutants (a different branch of the FEV experiments) and the Enclave is probably the one faction from the first two Fallout games that would have a significant presence on the East Coast. Everything after that kinda falls apart though.
I still like Fallout 3 and keep in mind that Fallout was a completely dead franchise back in the late 2000's with a cult following roughly on par with SWAT Kats or Kim Possible as opposed to the big fandom franchise it is now.
If anything, I'd say CarnEvil had more of an active fandom in 2005 than Fallout did given that a lot of the fanon for that game started popping up on DeviantArt and elsewhere around that time
Fallout was seen as a weird late 90's CRPG with a small cult following prior to Fallout 3 and any goodwill it may have had was killed by that shitty nu-metal Brotherhood of Steel PS2 game from the early 2000's.
Fallout 3 was initially seen as a godsend instead of the point where the franchise went wrong and I'd say part of it was because Bethesda had a lot of acclaim from Morrowind (which I think still holds up today) and Oblivion was a major mainstream success. Really, the surprise success of New Vegas followed by the excess milking of Skyrim and then Fallout 4's shortcomings were what made a lot of fans realize that the NMA spergs might actually have had a few points hidden amongst their autistic tirades.
I think he was referencing the Legion's anti-modernist and luddite tendencies but it's easy to get it mixed up with the BoS's tech hoarding.
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Yeah I got mixed up. Hed probaly genocide both since he wouldnt survive a day in Caesars world and hed hate the brotherhood for hoarding pre war technology
Anyways I recruited Cassidy and I uncovered the evidence of the alliance between the van graffs and red caravan. Since Im doing the NCR route im collecting evidence on them. I was able to get the evidence from Red Caravan but my lockpicking skill was too low for the Graffs
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Lol, no, at the very least he should be getting a mod that allows him to remove attachments from weapons and put attachments on uniques. Because the fact that you can't in the base game is mind boggling.
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If you want the best of both worlds, Tales of Two Wastelands
( make sure that you have Fallout 3 installed )
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So Ive finally confronted Benny and Now Ive started The final DLC Lonesome Road. Its interesting to see the progression of each dlc and the stuff it lets you take. Dead Money takes all your gear, Honest Hearts lets you take some of your gear, Old World Blues lets you take all of it same with Lonesome Road. But Lonesmoe road also lets you leave and come back any time. Its also interesting to see how the DLCS connect not just to the main game but each other for example, in OWB Ulysses and Father Elijah visited and raided big mountain. Then in Dead Money you face Elijah. in addition the ghost people and fog in dead money were created by the Think Tank who also created a lot of the abominations you face in the wasteland. Furthermore ELijah was the BOS commander in charge of defending Helios One before the NCR took it. It feels like every single plot thread, quest, and charac ter in the game is tied together by at least six degrees of separation. On a smaller note in the strip you see posters advertising Dean Domino.
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I think I missed how Honest Hearts ties into the Ulysses plot when I played it
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I disremember the specifics, but I think he taught the White Legs how to fight. In gratitude and out of respect for him, they adopted his hairstyle. To Ulysses, those dreadlocks were important, because to his tribe (the Twisted Hairs) every knot had a specific meaning. But to the White Legs it was just gibberish. He has this great line about how it seemed as if his dead tribe had been raised from the dead as cannibals. Further, it was especially insulting because of the importance he attributes to symbols and understanding their meanings, which a bunch of bloodthirsty savages like the White Legs were wholly incapable of doing.
Berrakh
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Fallout isn't particularly woke. I just reflect on what people fighting the culture war want. I know what progressives want. Everybody else wants "video games to be normal again" when gaming never reflected their interests at all. They just think it did because everyone they know from the forum says New Vegas was better than Fallout 3.
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